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To be fair "Without the Republic Fleet" could mean that with the main part destroyed and the rest dispersed throughout the galaxy there's no New Republic support coming for the Resistance any time soon.

It's like the Battle of Wolf 359 from Star Trek TNG. There was a huge fleet near Earth that were the first to respond to the Borg but they were wiped out. However there were still a couple thousand ships spread throughout the Federation that weren't wiped out at the battle. With each ship on on their own doing their own missions, they're not going to be much of a force until they regroup into another fleet which could take a long time considering how spread out they are. Same could be for the New Republic fleet.

Even if the New Republic only had a small peace keeping force they would still need to have at least a few thousand starships whether they be frigates, fighters, or capital ships. The Empire according to Wookiepedia had about 20,000 Imperial I- Star Destroyers and probably a similar number of Imperial II- Class Star Destroyers. This is not including the numerous other Imperial ships in service. Even if the NR under Mon Mothma only wanted a fraction of what the Imperial Navy ever had, there's still room for them to have a considerable fleet.

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Right. My point being if there is any sort of organized fraction of the Republic left, I doubt they would've been of any help to the Resistance.

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That does make sense. Even if the New Republic (hypothetically) had 10,000 or so frigates and 20,000 long range fighters that survived Hosnian Prime; it is not like they could regroup really fast. The Resistance was the only group able to respond to the Starkiller base threat because they were organized and ready. And the line from the movie that the New Republic fleet couldn't save them also makes sense in the moment because its not like somebody could order those scattered ships to organize in time to save the Resistance group; far more likely that those scattered ships were rushing to Hosnian Prime to save anybody they could and establish order in the system, rather than thinking about a small militia of political radicals on a far away planet.

Still, it would make sense that group would show up in time for Episode 8. (Fingers crossed).

Also I am very curious about how "advanced" the T-70 X-Wing is. As an audience it looks more advanced than the classic ship; but I get the impression that the Resistance was poor and strapped for cash so I don't see them spending all their money on a brand new fighter class. It wouldn't surprise me if the T-70 arrived around the end of the Galactic Civil War, and was already mothballed by the time the Force Awakens started, with the last in use ships of the class being those with the Resistance and other cash strapped groups. I say that mostly because it would be strange and interesting to see the New Republic finally showing up, using completely brand new fighters which make the Resistance look really poor in comparison.

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As an audience it looks more advanced than the classic ship; but I get the impression that the Resistance was poor and strapped for cash so I don't see them spending all their money on a brand new fighter class. It wouldn't surprise me if the T-70 arrived around the end of the Galactic Civil War, and was already mothballed by the time the Force Awakens started, with the last in use ships of the class being those with the Resistance and other cash strapped groups.

That's a spot-on inference! In the canon novel Before the Awakening, Poe flies a T-80 X-Wing during his time as a New Republic pilot. The art for the T-80s looks exactly like the T-70, not sure if this is accurate or just a lack of communication with the artist.

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Yeah I just googled it (T-85 it turns out) and it is weird the art makes it look identical to a T-70.

Still that happens a lot in real life. Very few differences mark a F/A-18 from a F/A-18E despite being built years apart. Not much marks a SD20 locomotive from a similarly built early model SD70. So maybe T-85 X-Wing models are supposed to look like T-70's...

That would also explain the First Order's use of Tie Fighters... Maybe the Tie Fighter is like a Soyuz spaceship, it survives for years through different political regimes... and they keep making more!

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I thought the New Republic was in the midsts of demilitarizing itself (why they would do this I don't know).

General Organa had been branded a warmonger and the Resistance was equipped with older or even prototype gear predating the Rebellion (thus the older model X-Wing).

But then again maybe Wookiepedia is not the best source for this sort of thing >.>

In any case I have seen people in other places online complaining to no end about the lack of "progress" during the 30 years post Jakku and the New Republic. If what Wookiepedia says is true about the state of the New Republic, her policies and the size of the First Order than it seems reasonable to assume the Galactic Civil War was more costly than the films presented with the New Republic so drained of resources as to mothball its service vessels and Imperial Remnant cut off from its previous resource-rich holdings limiting its options in terms of evolution in gear.

If so I can accept most of the "progress" to be under-the-hood for a lot of gear seen on the films. Hopefully Episode VIII will bring a bit clarity to the scale of the conflict than EPVII did. However, they justify it I am glad they kept the iconic designs for the good guys and the bad guys. They look great.

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@Japanbuilder: They're not older model X-Wings. The OT X-Wings are T-65 and the TFA X-Wings are T-70. Personally, I'm wondering how the First Order got the money to convert an entire planet into a bigger Death Star... they seem to be a renegade faction with nowhere near the Empire's resources in the movie.

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Personally, I'm wondering how the First Order got the money to convert an entire planet into a bigger Death Star... they seem to be a renegade faction with nowhere near the Empire's resources in the movie.

They're obviously being bankrolled by Snoke, a reclusive millionaire who dropped out of the public eye after a failed bid for the Old Republic chancellorship. :grin:

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They're obviously being bankrolled by Snoke, a reclusive millionaire who dropped out of the public eye after a failed bid for the Old Republic chancellorship. :grin:

That's why Snoke hated what the empire's failure; he lost the election to Sheev.

Sheev vs Snoke 2016

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On this May the Fourth, let us all take a moment to remember the Imperial lives lost in the BSness that were the Ewoks in the Battle of Endor.

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On this May the Fourth, let us all take a moment to remember the Imperial lives lost in the BSness that were the Ewoks in the Battle of Endor.

Amen.

In other news, it's May the 4th!! What y'all doing to celebrate this esteemed holiday?

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Amen.

In other news, it's May the 4th!! What y'all doing to celebrate this esteemed holiday?

Staring at my computer and waiting for something Episode 8 or Rogue One-related to pop up.

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I decided to watch Return of the Jedi before heading to work. Besides the Ewoks such an awesome movie, especially the lightsaber duel between Vader and Luke!

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There's some decent deals on Star Wars merchandise out there. GameStop is running a sale on Infinity figures. Comic stores are running $1 first issues of most current and some past Star Wars comics. Various sites have stuff marked down. Pretty decent day for Star Wars shopping.

May the 4th be with us all.

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Pretty decent day for Star Wars shopping.

Hm I'm gonna have to check that out.

As for May the 4th, I'm celebrating by going to a decidedly Star Wars-free ska concert. C'est la vie.

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Amen.

In other news, it's May the 4th!! What y'all doing to celebrate this esteemed holiday?

Just got home from work a while ago, now I'm going to sit back, relax and play some Battlefront.

Then I'll wait it out to the weekend and watch all the Star Wars films; all SEVEN of them. Wow, that's a first in about ten years :laugh:

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