Musing on what I saw/learned sorting the ship MOCs

[RTN LNA]

I was glad to be able to announce my newest MOC RTS Zavala (RTS is Republic of Texas Ship, and RTN is Republic of Texas Navy) here on the eurobricks pirate forum. The forum here really is the only active world-wide lego pirates forum (lugnet.pirates is now pretty inactive). So anyway I was "loggin" fairly often to see what people were replying about my new ship and got to looking at the much expanded ship MOCs index, Kudos everyone!

I know I should be (if I am going to work on Lego stuff) getting the camera and filming the RTS Zavala's engines running, or comparing the CAD parts list of the new MOC, that I have done the large scale design on (I do fine scale in-hand not with CAD) to my parts' bins so that I can do up some big bricklink orders (too many parts of a color I don't have that much of) but as I said I was looking at the expanded ship MOCs index. And you know I found some pretty cool ships in there! OK, so it has been a while for me since I last looked.

In any event I was looking at the ships' threads and their brickshelf galleries, hopping up and down the index and getting annoyed that it wasn't in any sort of order. So first I whipped up this post (note the time stamp of Dec 20 2008, 02:26 AM), and then I waited for the sorted index to happen... HOURS LATER it wasn't done, so I created a spread sheet with 1A, 1B, ... 65C (you can make it do that) on each row, and then for each row I looked at that ship MOC and type named it, I then sorted the spread sheet by type names and then created a thread with the overview post which holds the type links (note the time stamp of Dec 21 2008, 12:58 AM). No one said I was a very patient man!

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There are number of cool things talked about in the posts of this thread so at least look over them all!

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Some of the ship MOCs that interested me:

I see a number of newer ships have sheer! Yay!!

First credit where credit is do, Stephen Rowe was the first person I know of who set out to put sheer into a lego MOC ship hull.

1C

Stephen's announcement was posted on lugnet here. And as old as it, it's still a nice looking ship.

I think I also had something to do with early work with putting sheer into a lego ship MOC. 23d is the first widened ship hull with sheer.

I find a lot to praise in these two brigs:

38A 67A

I also greatly enjoyed these fully rigged ships:

46B 53D 61B

66D 40A

I also liked this (now as real bricks) xebec galley very much (it needs sheer), and I should also link it under galleys:

21A

But the matched set that blew me away was this pair!!:

63C 45C

Seeing how many times his name turned up, I think I am a fan of Captain Green Hair MOCs!!

The cute square-rigged sloop Seagull (No it's not a cutter!) and the beautiful Xebec Telesell.

Why do I call them a match pair?

even though he didn't answer this post.

all for now, next other ship MOCs I know of out on the web.

kurt

Edited December 27, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[Captain Green Hair]

Thanks for the compliments Kurt!

I don't really get your point on saying i didn't answer the post, i try to answer specific questions the best i can..?

[Bonaparte]

Nice overview! I enjoyed reading the views on all these ships from someone like yourself who has a very long history with ship building. I remember looking at your ships years ago (I think it was on Lugnet) when Eurobricks and most certainly Classic-pirates.com didn't exist yet. In any case Kurt, I'm extremely happy to have you around in this community!

You've said it, Captain Green Hair is a mighty fine shipbuilder. He knows his stuff very will. Currently the Captain is helping me to build my new ship (Royal Navy, 3rd rate ship of the line, 2 decker) and I'm very grateful to have him as my mentor.

[Paul cantu]

I really like your sorted index it helps a lot and is a really good resource.

I posted this ship yesterday so it hasn't been indexed but it would be cool if you could add it.

[RTN LNA]

Thanks for the compliments Kurt!

I don't really get your point on saying i didn't answer the post, i try to answer specific questions the best i can..?

You deserve the compliments you have amassed an excellent body of work.

The link was to question that Matt asked:

This is a beautiful ship indeed. And I have a question, How hard was it to swap the boat hull tops? I am considering trying it for myself, but I don't want to go breaking anything.

-Matt

I don't see where you answered it, and it is the second to the last post in that thread "The Telesell, Mr. Tiber's Xebec!" here.

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Now I see that you just have!

Our member Dreamweb has made a tutorial about it.

You have to get the screws out, and then it's a bit of fiddling to get them loose.

Good thing is they stay put without the screws after.

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all the best

kurt

Edited December 23, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[Captain Green Hair]

Must have read over it, answered it now.

[RTN LNA]

Nice overview! I enjoyed reading the views on all these ships from someone like yourself who has a very long history with ship building. I remember looking at your ships years ago (I think it was on Lugnet) when Eurobricks and most certainly Classic-pirates.com didn't exist yet. In any case Kurt, I'm extremely happy to have you around in this community!

You've said it, Captain Green Hair is a mighty fine shipbuilder. He knows his stuff very will. Currently the Captain is helping me to build my new ship (Royal Navy, 3rd rate ship of the line, 2 decker) and I'm very grateful to have him as my mentor.

I am glad you enjoyed my musings.

His is very good and nicely innovative too!

Lucky you on your 3rd rate, is this the "7 center sections" ship you mentioned?

My RTS Legomalee has seven center sections as well but she's only a 36-gun Frigate.

The prototype HMS Trincomalee was/is fifth-rate ship (a heavy fifth-rate).

Edited December 24, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[RTN LNA]

I really like your sorted index it helps a lot and is a really good resource.

I posted this ship yesterday so it hasn't been indexed but it would be cool if you could add it.

I am glad you like, I too think that it will be a good resource.

Your ship was indexed on to both MOC indexes sorted and un-sorted as 67d about five and one half hours before post your post here, in anticipation of your need, now that's service!

[RTN LNA]

Other ship MOCs I know of out on the web.

Anyone if you know that there is a eurobricks forum thread for any of these...

Ketch (OK, I know, but it's the only Ketch I have seen)

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=741515

I have a Topsail Cutter

http://www.flickr.com/photos/savatheaggie/...57608230695927/

Don't add it, maybe I should take some pictures of it sometime...

Schooners

http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=4278

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=44975

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=3320941

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/69271

http://www.flickr.com/photos/olog/3070678053/

same as

http://www.forbiddencove.com/parlay/viewto...9455139ed7a039c

Galley

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/13398

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/47075

Lateen Rigged Galley

http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=3214

Catamaran

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2127552

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=80236

Sailing Steamships

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=298623

Sailing Ironclad Steamship

https://www.msu.edu/user/braunli1/Gloire.html

it's http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=729 post

Ironclads

http://news.lugnet.com/announce/moc/?n=3167

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=106995

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=344135

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcmorran/432706196/

Monitors

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=135838

Micro-Ironclad and Monitor

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=186033

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forgot the big warjunk

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=95600

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enjoy - next number of ship MOC ideas that I would like to see, but there is no chance that I will get to them in the near future.

kurt

Edited December 24, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[RTN LNA]

A number of ship MOC ideas that I would like to see, but there is no chance that I will get to them in the near future. This will be a number of posts!!

1: A Greek Trireme

Models exist, I like this one

at this web site there is a plan

check out http://images.google.com/images?q=trireme

and Olympias is a reconstruction of an ancient Athenian trireme

tons of pictures of it too at http://ay-avebury.soton.ac.uk/Prospectus/C...Ship/trimen.htm

You see we have a length of 121 feet and a beam of just 18 feet, you can lego model it with 18 feet = 16 studs or 1.125 feet per stud, really close to "minifig scale"! So you want 121/1.125 or about 107-108 studs long.

Using one of the new 6243 bow/stern lower hull parts

(for the bow), it looks like it's 12 long, so 108 - 12 = 96 studs. Use one 53452 Viking bow/stern parts (for the stern) it's 20 long, 96 - 20 = 76 studs. Then say seven center sections of 2560 7 x 8 = 56 studs, so 76 - 56 = 20 studs to form a prow/ram probably with SNOT work.

Now the harder part you will need to use technic parts to make the open and airy rowing interior and pin it together so that it will be sound, and you had better have a "thing" for minifigs because the way this model will be a jaw dropper is the have all the rowers in there!!

And remember trireme derives its name from its three rows of oars on each side, manned with one man (err minifig) per oar.

At the time of the ancient Greeks they would not have been wearing the clothes you see in this picture!

Do you see this Lego MOC in your mind's eye?

enjoy - I'll try to post another idea write-up tomorrow...

kurt

Edited December 25, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[Teddy]

Dear RTN LNA,

thanks for updating all those indexes.

that must have been quite some work!

You've pointed to some interesting vessals.

Kind regards,

Teddy

[RTN LNA]

Dear RTN LNA,

thanks for updating all those indexes.

that must have been quite some work!

You've pointed to some interesting vessals.

Kind regards,

Teddy

You are welcome!

Naw, I was looking at the "newer" (to me at least) MOCs anyway.

I try.

[RTN LNA]

Well I finished adding the LEGO sailing ship set sorted by type check it out!

Continuing on with the number of ship MOC ideas that I would like to see, but there is no chance that I will get to them in the near future. I guess I am moving forward through time...

2: A polynesian catamaran

I like this model:

check out this useful web page http://www.eraoftheclipperships.com/shipmodelpage3.html

This would be the ultimate islander MOCs, so you BIG islander fans...

The hulls are the problem here, they may want to be four to ten studs wide, maybe use those 2622, 2626 boat bases. Or maybe build the hulls studs down, the way the lego trains people build their steam locomotives, look at parts 6005, 6183, 6091, 6215, and esp. 6081.

You can use technic axles to tie the hulls together and with Technic Angle Connectors to make the curved masts. Like at http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/32016 and you can see it comes in a few good color choices. The key thing here will be to keep everything thin and lite in your model!

Edited December 25, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[RTN LNA]

So does anyone like that I am posting these ship MOC Ideas?

To detailed? Should I go on?

I have a few more that I have thought about but will never do.

kurt

[SlyOwl]

I'll index those on Boxing Day - I've been far too busy today to do anything :pir_laugh:

1: A Greek Trireme

In the index! (I think )

2: A polynesian catamaran

Ta-daa!

Both in the index, although the first is only in the Islander MOC index - I'll sort that out when I next index

So does anyone like that I am posting these ship MOC Ideas?

To detailed? Should I go on?

I have a few more that I have thought about but will never do.

Please do! I'm always stuck for inspiration when it comes to ships, especially as I like to do something "new" most of the time!

Speaking of which, I really should index Hinckley's steampunk ship, which heavily influenced mine!

[RTN LNA]

I'll index those on Boxing Day - I've been far too busy today to do anything :pir_laugh:

In the index! (I think )

A quick look in sorted-by galley, and yes it is in the indexes as 40d, and yes it is galley, it is not a trireme, as I wrote: "And remember trireme derives its name from its three rows of oars on each side, manned with one man (err minifig) per oar."

Ta-daa!

Both in the index, although the first is only in the Islander MOC index - I'll sort that out when I next index

A quick look in sorted-by catamaran and yes both are there as 44d and 46a, and they not really what I was trying to show, maybe 1/5th the size of model I was describing.

Please do! I'm always stuck for inspiration when it comes to ships, especially as I like to do something "new" most of the time!

Speaking of which, I really should index Hinckley's steampunk ship, which heavily influenced mine!

http://flickr.com/photos/25936096@N02/2453248975/ right?

have you seen any of these?

http://empireofsteam.blogspot.com/2008/09/...enterprise.html

http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&q=...e%27&m=text

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/33341

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91462077@N00/2275726505

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40358144@N00/14643874

http://lugbrasil.com/forum/index.php?topic=287.0

http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/39724

Sorry I'll stop!

[RTN LNA]

1: A Greek Trireme ....

I linked the new LEGO set 7048 Troll Warship in to the sorted-by type MOCs index yesterday.

It has ONE of those 53452 Viking bow/stern parts in it, so my mind was thinking (unbeknownst to me!) on this fact, so today this question floats up in my mine: "How many hull center sections (part 2560) are in the 7048 Troll Warship?

Of coarse peeron.com doesn't (at the time I am writing this) have a parts list up, yet.

A quick search of google web and images didn't help, but a search on brickself for 7048 yielded this:

so the answer is four! added to the two 2560s in the new 6243 Brickbeard’s Bounty.

Where I was saying use one of the new 6243 bow/stern lower hull parts

(for the bow), these two sets give you all the hull parts you would need, except you would need to make the prow/ram (and it's probable SNOT work) a little longer.

I hope I have infected someone with a huge stash of oars and and the desire to model 100+ greek rowers.

enjoy

kurt

[SlyOwl]

Indexed!

I'm glad we're including Steampunk ships (although we'll have to draw the line somewhere) now

A quick look in sorted-by catamaran and yes both are there as 44d and 46a, and they not really what I was trying to show, maybe 1/5th the size of model I was describing.

Wow, that would be huge!

[RTN LNA]

The other ship MOCs listed above, as well as a number of notable steam punk ships, have been add to both the sorted and unsorted MOC indexs.

Since I only got one post (maybe that only counts as 1/2) in reply to my MOC ideas.

Then maybe something was wrong with the ship MOC ideas I chose to write about:

1. Greek Trireme
   
2. Polynesian Catamaran
   

Maybe these were too old or too odd for the most of you, OK. I'll try one last time, and if I don't get any positive feedback, I'll stop wasting my, and your time.

OK, so something small (well smaller) different ("new" as in yet see by anyone, here at least) that you could use (17th or 18th century) well... and one I'll like to see.

How about:

3: Venetian Polacca cargo ship

Three masted with large lateen hoisted on the foremast (which is slanted forward to accommodate the large lateen yard), The mainmast is square rigged and the mizzen mast is gaff or lateen rigged.

COOL isn't it.

Models exists

I think you could build in with just 3 hull center sections, 2 if you want it to be really tubby.

Note: you must slant forward the foremast!

I can even tell you where you can get instructions for building many of the parts of a ship like this.

NOW will I get any replies? I must assume some of you are slow to even try to build MOCs?

all for now

kurt

Edited December 27, 2008 by RTN LNA (Lego Naval Architect)

[Captain Green Hair]

Those are all very original and good ideas RTN!

I'm kinda tied up in the big ship i'm working on, hope to have it finished in october or so...

[Bonaparte]

NOW will I get any replies? I must assume some of you are slow to even try to build MOCs?

I do like your idea's but I've decide to focus my ship building efforts around the Napoleonic times. The first big ship i've made (Orient) took me more than 2 years to finish (and I'm still finishing some final things on it), so you can call me slow :-). My new ship will most probably take 10 more months to get it completely ready. So even though I like your idea's I won't be able to build one of the suggested ships for another year.

[RTN LNA]

Those are all very original and good ideas RTN!

I'm kinda tied up in the big ship i'm working on, hope to have it finished in october or so...

Of coarse you are! You are one of the exceptions, and are already doing great things!

I am trying to help some of those out there who might like to do something of note.

[RTN LNA]

I do like your idea's but I've decide to focus my ship building efforts around the Napoleonic times.

As you might have noticed I am modeling the Republic of Texas Navy in the 1840s.

So I understand having to have some focus, but it's also why I don't have the MOC building time to get to many of the ideas that I have thought of over the years, and it's clear to me now that I never will! I think I invent 2-3 times as many good ideas as I can build, on average! So this is an attempt to see if anyone wants them...

The first big ship i've made (Orient) took me more than 2 years to finish (and I'm still finishing some final things on it), so you can call me slow :-). My new ship will most probably take 10 more months to get it completely ready.

I certainly understand building on "slow track" and LEGOs are only one of my hobbies! and mostly (for me) a winter one.

So even though I like your idea's I won't be able to build one of the suggested ships for another year.

You are also one of the exceptions! Surprise, surprise you replied to this thread. As I said

"I am trying to help some of those out there who might like to do something of note."

I guess what makes AFOLs and LUGs and the shows, work are the surprisingly "new" and different MOCs you see.

So even though I like your idea's I won't be able to build one of the suggested ships for another year.

Yes but I am glad you replied, because maybe the quiet reader will decide, to login and reply, because you did! And he (or she) is the one I am really after! I hope they even read this thread down to here!

Please (yah you!) feel free to ask me any questions. In fact, questions that begin, "This may be a stupid question, but …" are devilishly effective.

kurt