Stash2Sixx Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 This is for those of you that have information that you keep talking about.... Is anyone going to say anything, or are you just going to keep saying you have information? Stop being scared and just spill it. As Ivan Drago said, "If they die, they die!" I'm still waiting for convincing information that doesn't use euphimisms, pronouns, or anything else VAGUE!!!!! Thanks!
Admiral Blockbeard Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Those were quite the days. No rats, back then. Though my hair looked ridiculous back then, and now my hair is pristine. Ain't that right, Perry? All the work I spend on this hair sure paid off, no? Yes your hair is just I cant believe how well you have turned it around from ridiculous to beautiful! All I can say is pick one or the other, myself or wynona. I have provided my thoughts, if you see mathematical chance as suspicious and deductions made from Iris' words as suspicious so be it. If you have questions for me I will answer them Alicia, I think you are loyal enough to provide some information. Send a Pigeon if you would like to know more.
Zepher Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Very well Stashtini, but if I die my blood is on your hands, and people will kill you. I know Adelaide is an innocent. I know that Intertini has either a protect/block/kill night action. I know that Perry has a protect/block/kill night action. I think that Ian can be trusted. I am so0mewhat unsettled about Trexxi, but also think he can be trusted. I do not trust Perry. I do not trust LeAnn.
Jlblue Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 If we're laying this out on the line, then fine. Perry cannot be trusted. At all. I've been very nice to him up until this point because quite frankly I wanted more info from him, but I think we should kill him. Killing Wynona, fine, at least that's something, but putting my heads together with some others has led me to believe that he is a rat. I'm almost 99% sure.
Alice Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 If you have questions for me I will answer them Alicia, I think you are loyal enough to provide some information. Send a Pigeon if you would like to know more. I am uninterested, but thank you. Very well Stashtini, but if I die my blood is on your hands, and people will kill you.I know Adelaide is an innocent. I know that Intertini has either a protect/block/kill night action. I know that Perry has a protect/block/kill night action. I think that Ian can be trusted. I am so0mewhat unsettled about Trexxi, but also think he can be trusted. I do not trust Perry. I do not trust LeAnn. Thanks Zabrina. This helps me confirm some suspicians I had. I think you are mostly correct. I trust Inertia at this point, but I honestly do not have any evidence to support that claim. It just seems to me from some information that we received, he is trustworthy. This may change. If we're laying this out on the line, then fine. Perry cannot be trusted. At all. I've been very nice to him up until this point because quite frankly I wanted more info from him, but I think we should kill him. Killing Wynona, fine, at least that's something, but putting my heads together with some others has led me to believe that he is a rat. I'm almost 99% sure. Couldn't have said it better myself. If we kill Wynona, it can help us sort some things. I know that sounds bad and I don't want to kill a loyal member most definitely. I do think that there is a good possibility that she is a rat. I have suspected Perry since early on.
WhiteFang Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Please give my wife a chance to explain herself. I am sure there is some misunderstanding somewhere. She has been awful quiet right now. I do hope my wife could speak up soon, before more decide onto their votes.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 From the information I have I know that Perry, now a captain is very happy to not be a soldier anymore and that he is hoping to move further up the ranks in the future. I find it unlikely that Perry and Wynona are rats, as they've been trying to get the other killed. Unless of course the rats are real bastards who even rat out one another, but I'm not sure the FBI would stand for that.
ptdapen Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I think we need to put a little more thought into it. We can't simply sacrifice Wynona just to push things along, using her as a sacrifice or what not to make more clues show up. What's the evidence against her that isn't against the rest of the people in that crew? Why are others being exempted? Maybe I missed something, so I'd like a remind if anyone would like to spare me one. From the information I have I know that Perry, now a captain is very happy to not be a soldier anymore and that he is hoping to move further up the ranks in the future. I find it unlikely that Perry and Wynona are rats, as they've been trying to get the other killed. Unless of course the rats are real bastards who even rat out one another, but I'm not sure the FBI would stand for that. I think its safe to say either one of them is a rat, or neither of them are. Perry was awfully quick to point fingers, but I suppose anyone would under pressure. Anyways.... Very well Stashtini, but if I die my blood is on your hands, and people will kill you.I know Adelaide is an innocent. I know that Intertini has either a protect/block/kill night action. I know that Perry has a protect/block/kill night action. I think that Ian can be trusted. I am so0mewhat unsettled about Trexxi, but also think he can be trusted. I do not trust Perry. I do not trust LeAnn. Can you give us a little more insight on why you think all of this, and how you know what roles people have? What is not to trust, or why do you trust, certain people? I suppose you can send me a little personal message if you want, though I don't see any reason to hide it. I must have said a mouthful, sorry about that.
Shadows Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I sincerely think we have 2 levels of rats, one group that answers to the feds in exchange for leniency and one that is trying to take over the family. I do not believe that the fed rats are murderers as we've already learned from their actions: they arrest, the intimidate and try to infiltrate. The government was going to execute Darlene for her actions against our family, when in the long run, she did them a huge favour. No, if they wanted to kill us, we'd all be dead. On the other hand, a group within the family could easily be trying to manipulate this situation to take over and they would have no hesitation in killing those of us who are loyal. In trying to determine who is on what side, knowing their night action isn't enough, we must figure out the motivation for their night action. Saying, "well, they're a night killer" doesn't tell us who for. Confusing one night killer for another can be a deadly mistake and is a strong ploy for the rats, one that I believe is still referred to as the General Spencer Maneuver. I believe I know who both of the night killers are, but I'll be damned if I can be certain of their loyalties. Similarly, each group (and there may be 3), could have their own investigator, blocker, protector and even peeping tom. I believe there is also a private investigator or someone acting on the behalf of one of the spouses who is trying to determine who their partner is cheating with. Yes, someone is cheating, oddly, from what I can tell, both of them are loyal. The uncheating partner, however, may not be. There could be roles we've never even heard of. I know who fills some of these roles and feel like I can trust some of them to be loyal, but others are still a mystery. This is a very complicated situation, but the death of Wynona, who I sincerely hope is a rat or a fed, would be enlightening. Her lack of active participation in contradicting these charges only strengthens my resolve. I have spoken to many of you privately. Some are telling me the truth, and I can confirm it. Some are lying, to various degrees, sometimes because you believe something you can't prove and wish to appear to have helpful information, some because you're dirty rats. I have created a file on all of this and should anything happen to me, it has been given to someone who will make sure that those who can be trusted will have this information for use in stopping this problem. Bear that in mind if you're a rat who is thinking of harming me.
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2009 Author Posted January 23, 2009 You have 6 hours (actually 24) to reach a decision. I have two votes in right now...
WhiteFang Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I will like all of you to take a moment and think carefully for awhile and whom to really trust. These votings are done way different than any other kinds of mafia convicition we have from our gangsters. Ours, are similar to the TV reality series, similar to "Survival". Iris is the one and only person whom will decide the fate of the majority. The thing is, these bloody rats which exist in sewers is mingling among us and they actually knew each other identity and there is an extremely high probability that these rats are communicating behind our backs to determine their own mutual vote to frame. With so little time left, I believe we should act our own individual instinct instead of being sway by others whom are not even sure in their arguement or concrete evidence found. The point which I want "all" except the bloody rats to note these rats are able to influence our thoughts to create a majority, but in actual fact, we may or may never know whom vote who until the very end of it. Trust your instinct of who to vote at this stage, if you think this person is rightfully guilty from your perspective and information you have, then do it. Dragging it around is going to prolong our torture. So what, if we could not get a majority at the end of the day, it will probably be normal since we have a larger audience of loyal baritones instead of filthy rats whom are hiding in the open trying to deceive our way to vote. If you believe in it, then stick to it. No one will ever find out whom you vote for, except Iris... In the past, the Baritones never have rats' problems, is because we loyal Baritones get to them first and kill them before they try to kill us... Shall we get them first?
Shadows Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Iris is the one and only person whom will decide the fate of the majority. We control our destiny, not Iris. Iris has given us this job to do, if you aren't capable, leave it in the hands of those who are, but don't lay the blame at her feet. The thing is, these bloody rats which exist in sewers is mingling among us and they actually knew each other identity According to an inside source, they don't, actually. I think you know that. With so little time left, I believe we should act our own individual instinct instead of being sway by others whom are not even sure in their arguement or concrete evidence found. We aren't individuals, we're a family. We need to act like one and stop being selfish individuals. The more times we act as individuals, the more days we're left out in the open to be beaten. We are always going to have some doubt about our decisions, but it'll be a grim result if we don't act as a unified force to try to stop these rats. The point which I want "all" except the bloody rats to note these rats are able to influence our thoughts to create a majority, but in actual fact, we may or may never know whom vote who until the very end of it. What the hell does that mean? We won't know until the end of what? The end is up to us, win or lose, live or die. If we sit around, we die. Trust your instinct of who to vote at this stage, if you think this person is rightfully guilty from your perspective and information you have, then do it. Dragging it around is going to prolong our torture. You going to suggest someone, or just flap your gums? All you're doing is dragging it around. So what, if we could not get a majority at the end of the day, it will probably be normal since we have a larger audience of loyal baritones instead of filthy rats whom are hiding in the open trying to deceive our way to vote. So what? So we will be destroyed. I guess that means more to some of us than others. Those who are trying to deceive are becoming painfully obvious. In the past, the Baritones never have rats' problems, is because we loyal Baritones get to them first and kill them before they try to kill us... Shall we get them first? You got anything more than rhetoric and pointless rambling to put into this, Fangy?
MagPiesRUs Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I will like all of you to take a moment and think carefully for awhile and whom to really trust. These votings are done way different than any other kinds of mafia convicition we have from our gangsters. Ours, are similar to the TV reality series, similar to "Survival". Iris is the one and only person whom will decide the fate of the majority. The thing is, these bloody rats which exist in sewers is mingling among us and they actually knew each other identity and there is an extremely high probability that these rats are communicating behind our backs to determine their own mutual vote to frame. With so little time left, I believe we should act our own individual instinct instead of being sway by others whom are not even sure in their arguement or concrete evidence found. The point which I want "all" except the bloody rats to note these rats are able to influence our thoughts to create a majority, but in actual fact, we may or may never know whom vote who until the very end of it. Trust your instinct of who to vote at this stage, if you think this person is rightfully guilty from your perspective and information you have, then do it. Dragging it around is going to prolong our torture. So what, if we could not get a majority at the end of the day, it will probably be normal since we have a larger audience of loyal baritones instead of filthy rats whom are hiding in the open trying to deceive our way to vote. If you believe in it, then stick to it. No one will ever find out whom you vote for, except Iris... In the past, the Baritones never have rats' problems, is because we loyal Baritones get to them first and kill them before they try to kill us... Shall we get them first? If we do not discuss who to vote for, no one will be voted off. Without voting, the day is essentially pointless, especially if everyone is going to keep all of their information to themselves. This means that the fate of the family all comes down to the night, which, unless we're lucky with protecting and blocking, will most likely result in the rats winning. As you said, the rats know who each other are, so they will always hit a loyalist unless they are protected. Thus, to balance their killing of of our family at night, we must kill one of the rats during the day. Of course, we shouldn't vote for someone just for the sake of it, but I feel we have enough evidence to convict someone today. We can't simply stand by and let our people die at night only to do nothing during the day. We need to be decisive. We have plenty of clues to go off of. Do we really want to waste another day not voting, and put our fate solely into the hands of our vigilante? Er, to make a long story short, I think we need to vote someone off today.
Wouwie Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Before you're going to vote for me, I want to see the evidence. And my postcount is very, very weak evidence. If you're sure... Willie, you know I ain't a rat...I'll always love you..
Shadows Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Before you're going to vote for me, I want to see the evidence. And my postcount is very, very weak evidence. If you're sure...Willie, you know I ain't a rat...I'll always love you.. You've got to do better than that. Give us something, anything to believe in. Otherwise, all you're doing is taking Willie down with you if you're a rat as suspected.
Admiral Blockbeard Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I am seeing a pattern of people that do not like me. They voice no concern other than they suspect me. Where is your confusion about me. Why do you three collaborate behind closed doors. Your suspicions are arousing my suspicions. You say I am quick to point fingers. I pointed no fingers I shared my logic, I did not ask you to follow it, but evaluate it. I showed my calculations, my reasonings. One that if they are wrong would only incriminate me. Why would I do such a thing? You are quick to point your fingers at me. Richie's first post, without any other comments was he did not like me? You three ought to look in the mirror from time to time. Now let me guess I am shifting suspicion from myself . Now if you have anything substantial to bring forward I am glad to hear it. "Feelings" are not going to cut it. You make my name mud in this family, you bet to be able to back up your words. Somebody has said this game... life requires some balls, now grow some and come out with it. We have a suspect to focus on for today, why split the focus. The more I think about this the more I think there is more to you than looks can tell. Ian might just be spot on with this three teams idea. Do you come after me because my reasonings are right? Do you split the focus because we hunt one you want to protect? Do you point the finger to avoid suspicion? Do you shift suspicion to me so you can go on suspected? I have said all this now as my day ends now. I am sleeping then off to my work for the family. If I am not the majority vote, but die a strange death, you all know who to suspect. Looking forward to some answers.
Jlblue Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Come on, Perry. I'm done being Mr. Quirky Old Nice Guy, I want answers. Hey, it's just like you once said: If you are a rat, tell us. We will make your death easy and pain free, if you know of any others and give them to us we will prolong your life. Hey, it's... what's the saying? Worth a try?
Admiral Blockbeard Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Come on, Perry. I'm done being Mr. Quirky Old Nice Guy, I want answers. Hey, it's just like you once said:Hey, it's... what's the saying? Worth a try? A man stands up! A cheap shot, but now we a re getting somewhere. Yes worth a try, try directing it at some rats! YOU want answers, I WANT answers... read what I just said... It is about time we all get answers! Nobody be a sheep here! think for yourselves in an objective manner. What if one of your trusted contacts is not so trustworthy! Goodnight people.
WhiteFang Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Before you're going to vote for me, I want to see the evidence. And my postcount is very, very weak evidence. If you're sure...Willie, you know I ain't a rat...I'll always love you.. Wynona, my wife, you have to justify yourself and defend your stand too. Can you please sort your mind and tell us what you know before or after the raid. Now, it's not the time to keep everything inside your heart. You are now in a very vulnerable position.
Quarryman Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Are some names enough to don't kill me? That depends on the names I suppose.b
Sir Dillon Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Are some names enough to don't kill me? Maybe, but you'll probably have to give us a little more than just a few names, because that would be too easy to just make up.
Jlblue Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 What if one of your trusted contacts is not so trustworthy! My "trusted contact" is trustworthy. I know that much. I know because they didn't leave home at all the first night and you did. You were out in the street getting into a bit of a tussle with Inertiatieri, ain't that right, Inertia? And this whole time you've been using so called "facts" and "probability" to try to point the blame in another direction and divert it from you, when your little probability chart is based on the concept that there is one rat in each group, which is not necessarily even true. You've always had an aggressive and go-get-'em type attitude that is says to me that you're trying too hard to get a kill on no grounds while the level-headed people have collected a whole lot of facts. You also have had accusations from numerous sources that likely know even more than I do. I've already voted for you because I want to get something done, and quick. I don't want a third day without a kill.
Sir Dillon Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Okay, so right now it seems that we have two good options for voting off, Wynona and Perry. We need to decide on one or the other though, or else we'll split our votes and eliminate no one. Jlblue, it seems, has already voted for Perry, so I think maybe we should all vote for Perry today, and then decide what to do with Wynona. If anyone else has voted, I think it would be helpful to know.
Ricecracker Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I know that I can trust Johnny Blue, at least for now. I have also voted for Perry. -Richie
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