metalandi Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 After seeing these new detailed pictures, i'm notsure anymore if i really will buy this set. The interior once again is really lacking, i mean where are the controls and everything? To actually have a furnace is nice of course, but that one looks like a furnace in a living room An dthe tender, it's full of...nothing. Why didn't they include at least a few 1x1 round bricks? Definitely a win is the waggon though. Quote
SavaTheAggie Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 After seeing these new detailed pictures, i'm notsure anymore if i really will buy this set. The interior once again is really lacking, i mean where are the controls and everything? To actually have a furnace is nice of course, but that one looks like a furnace in a living room An dthe tender, it's full of...nothing. Why didn't they include at least a few 1x1 round bricks? Definitely a win is the waggon though. You may not be aware, but LEGO is a remarkable product. If you don't the way a set is designed, it is actually possible to change the set without the use of scissors, tape, or glue. In fact, some changes can be made in only a second or two. Larger changes may take up to a full minute. Your mileage may vary, of course. Some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope. --Tony Quote
M_longer Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 It's obvious since all these PF-"modules" are sold seperately since under every single "module" there is written a set number.You already can find two of these "modules" on S@H: 8882 PF XL Motor and 8882 PF IR Receiver (I really wonder for what the IR Receiver is necessary ). Only these both PF-"modules" already cost 27 Euros. So you can imagine how expensive all that together than will get. Klaus-Dieter Well, the IR Receiver is very important. Why? Because this new remote will allow to smoothly control train speed: I also hope that this new battery box is NOT a PF version of old small 9V battery box ;) Quote
SavaTheAggie Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 Well, the IR Receiver is very important. Why? Because this new remote will allow to smoothly control train speed: I also hope that this new battery box is NOT a PF version of old small 9V battery box ;) The new battery box is a rechargeable lithium battery, no need to buy extra batteries. Of course folks like me who take trains to shows will probably have to buy several so there's one running and one charging at all times per train. --Tony Quote
thire5 Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 (edited) Have you seen this ? http://www.brickset.com/news/article/?ID=257 Edited March 7, 2009 by thire5 Quote
legotrainfan Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Have you seen this ? http://www.brickset.com/news/article/?ID=257 Highly interesting these new flexible tracks! Thank you very much for posting the link! And the really good thing about these new flexible tracks is: You can even form straights with them! I'm already curious about what amazing track layouts will be created because of these tracks! Quote
Freddie Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Very interesting, these new flex-track elements. I'm guessing they won't be replacing the regular track fully, and I'd be pleased if they didn't, since they don't look all that fancy, with the gaps between the sleepers full of hinge. I reckon they'll also be noisier, but that's not really a complaint. On the plus side, these have far more potential than just railroad track. I'm guessing we'll see some very interesting uses of these soon after release. I probably won't use them like that, instead using them to compact the area a station will be occupying and the likes. Quote
Captain Zuloo Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Interesting. Although I think these would make ballast look less realistic and therefore may not sell as highly to the AFOL train community. But I suppose when you weigh out the increase in track geometry and the decrease in ballast possibilities, it all depends on personal taste. Quote
Dr. Brick Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Do you think it is possible to connect the battery box to the RC motors, using the extension wire with 9V connection? This would make it possible to convert old trains to the new system. I don't think you could fit one of those large motors in a Metroliner... Dr. Brick Quote
Freddie Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Well, the entire point of making the one end of the PF-extension cable 9V-compatble was to make the system somewhat backwards-compatible, and I think what you're describing is ultimately the intention LEGO has had with integrating trains with power functions. The reason for doing it like they did with the Emerald Night is to show other ways of doing it. So yes, I think it's possible. Edited March 8, 2009 by Freddie Quote
Holodoc Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 For all those lazy guys, who don´t want to follow the above link, here´s what we are talking about: Quote
Dr. Brick Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Well, the entire point of making the one end of the PF-extension cable 9V-compatble was to make the system somewhat backwards-compatible, and I think what you're describing is ultimately the intention LEGO has had with integrating trains with power functions. The reason for doing it like they did with the Emerald Night is to show other ways of doing it.So yes, I think it's possible. Okay, I hope you're right! Another question: The IR reciever, can it be hidden behind bricks, or does it have to have a direct contact with the remote control? If it can be hidden, that would give more options... Dr. Brick Quote
Freddie Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 The receiver has proven to work as long as the receiver itself, the dome on top of it, is in one way or another visible, like "hidden-behind-the-windshield-of-the-santa-fe-locomotive" visible. Basically, hide it in the interior on way or another, and it should work fine. Alternatively you could build it into the roof, having the dome peak trough, but that would ultimately be a cumbersome and not as visually pleasing solution. My impression is that most people underestimate just how well the receivers can see the signals the remotes send out, so as long as you don't outright block it from getting any signals, it probably should work fine. Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 (edited) Thank you very much for the link, thire5 and the pic, Holodoc! The flexible tracks look very interesting. After seeing these new detailed pictures, i'm notsure anymore if i really will buy this set. The interior once again is really lacking, i mean where are the controls and everything? To actually have a furnace is nice of course, but that one looks like a furnace in a living room An dthe tender, it's full of...nothing. Why didn't they include at least a few 1x1 round bricks? Definitely a win is the waggon though. I totally agree with you, metalandi! Please excuse me but whereas the exterior of the whole train is very well designed the interior of the locomotive is a shame ! The furnace really looks like a chimney in a living room, its opening is designed amateurish - but I mainly can't forgive TLG the lack of controls. They could minimum have printed a sticker to add to the inside that it looks like if there were controls (like in the Classic Train). What does a highly precised and awesome exterior need when the interior is absolutely disappointing?! With this TLG missed its chance to offer a brilliant train set. Now it's a very nice set - but really not perfect! (In contrast: 10184 and 10193 are perfect! ) After having seen that bad interior of the locomotive and that the prices of all the additional stuff to make the train driving - not to speak about additional sets like waggons etc. - will be that tall I will very supposably not buy all this classic AFOL train stuff coming out this year. On the one hand it's a pity since I really would like to own a really functioning steam engine with all those great waggons it tugs. On the other hand I must say that the interior of those locomotives and waggons is for me as much important as the exterior. And so I don't feel up to pay a fortune for things which I don't like completely. Hopefully 2010 will offer us some affordable trains which then will contain a lot of interior! Klaus-Dieter Edited March 8, 2009 by Klaus-Dieter Quote
Holodoc Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 More news about the new train system: Dear all,As promised in the second communication from the 6th of December last year, we will give you the latest information and decisions regarding the development of the new train system based on LEGO Power Functions. We are still working on the final details and doing a lot of testing of the new Power Functions elements; however, we are again able to give you some more details. First - we will not change the gauge of the rails so there is no need to be afraid that the L gauge will disappear. On the rechargeable battery box we have been working to get the best compromise between size and power. It has been decided that we will use a powerful Lithium Polymer battery and the size of the box will be 4 studs by 8 studs long by 4 studs high - this should fit in most trains. The already existing standard LEGO transformer will be used to recharge and be the power supply. The existing Power Functions RC receiver already has integrated speed control. To enable the use of this we will make a newly designed RC handset with speed control capability. All the above new train related Power Functions items as well as the current battery train motor (with cross axles and wheels) will be available separately through LEGO Shop@Home before the summer of 2009. As you know we arranged a train workshop in November 2007 where ten AFOLs from around the world: Denmark, USA, France, Belgium, the Netherlands Germany, and United Kingdom participated, built with the prototype elements and also looked into ideas and possibilities for new train designs using the Power Functions elements . Based on the outcome of this workshop and all the other fantastic input we got from the AFOL community over the last six months, our designers worked on the first train set using the new Power Functions system. This set will be truly aimed at the AFOL community to acknowledge the importance of the adult LEGO hobbyists in the LEGO train world. This communication will be the last one regarding the transition from the 9V train system into the new Power Functions train system, Due to all the very valuable AFOL feedback we are far down the road with the development of the new elements and also the new train set. We appreciate all your efforts through this transition which we expect to be fully executed in 2009. Stay tuned for the new LEGO train system coming in 2009. Tormod Askildsen, Head of LEGO Community Development Quote
paksu Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 More news about the new train system: These news are actually quite old. Quote
Holodoc Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 These news are actually quite old. Holy cow! You are absolutely right! err... don´t look at what I wrote ... I was only... with the new pics I thought... Well, forget it. Quote
MightySlickPancake Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) thats amazing those cuving tracks great for shunting yards an slow turing corners Also what did you say not to look at Holodoc ........oh... cb Edited March 9, 2009 by crabboy329 Quote
Cavannus Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) The furnace really looks like a chimney in a living room, its opening is designed amateurish - but I mainly can't forgive TLG the lack of controls. They could minimum have printed a sticker to add to the inside that it looks like if there were controls (like in the Classic Train). I agree, I've thought the same thing since I saw the cabin interior. I would expect an interior but with basic pieces though (I know this costs a lot for them) to get several suggested details, e.g.: - two or three medium or small steering wheels or even flowers for pressure control, - a small car door for the furnace (that's enough, no need of a built door) - a couple of gauge pattern titles - maybe one or two control sticks All these pieces are basic and would not require a higher cost compared with the existing built furnace -- but this would make the cabin more realistic and playable! What does a highly precised and awesome exterior need when the interior is absolutely disappointing?! With this TLG missed its chance to offer a brilliant train set. I've been surprised too that the carriage's extremities look open, without closed doors (e.g. like on the Santa Fe), which is cheap. I'm waiting for to see other pictures to check if the car is fully closed or not. Now it's a very nice set - but really not perfect! default_cry4.gif (In contrast: 10184 and 10193 are perfect! Sometimes the simple remains the best. If you need a door and if such a part exists and fits, use it! Anyway I'll buy the Emerald Night because I love it despite these "cheap" lacks. Edited March 9, 2009 by Cavannus Quote
MightySlickPancake Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 not to disappoint but i think the hinge will be those new clicky ones like and not like what most people want and because if it is lake the last 2 then it will move out of the shape you want . just a thought cause the fisrt 2 are the type lego now use cb Quote
Brickthus Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 For all those lazy guys, who don´t want to follow the above link, here´s what we are talking about: I saw some questions on the Flickr site about ballasting the track. This is not a problem if you're prepared to mod the inner curved bits to make enough space for a peg: Ballast Scheme The mod would be invisible once the track is ballasted. I am considering whether an old-style hole punch, like the one used for punching belt holes, would be the best tool for the job, rather than using a drill or routing bit. I expect the edge of the curved bits to be the full plate depth of 3.2mm. For this scheme, a hole wide enough for the widest bit of a Technic 1.5M peg is required, just over 5mm in total. The mod might not be required on the outside of the curve because the hole between the curved bits expands with curvature. Mark Quote
paksu Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Apparently the set 8867 will include 64 pieces of flexible track. Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 Thank you very much for that information, paksu! I personally don't see a big use for these new tracks since the curved tracks were imo ok. And in curves you anyway need enough place between two track circles - so for what do you then need them?! - But ok. Klaus-Dieter Quote
Mirandir Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 Although I would be interested to get a couple of those 8870 LED-lights if they are sold seperately. It's a S@H exclusive and is available now: http://shop.lego.com/ByTheme/Product.aspx?...n=245&d=100. Quote
Holodoc Posted March 12, 2009 Posted March 12, 2009 It's a S@H exclusive and is available now: http://shop.lego.com/ByTheme/Product.aspx?...n=245&d=100. Thank you! It´s 7,49 (in Germany). Definitely worth thinking it over! Quote
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