10195 Republic Dropship & AT-OT Discussion

**KimT** · February 20, 2009

Hmmm...

Looks like this topic has wandered off and entered the realm of Clone Wars versus Classic Star Wars.

Sorry but this is being shut down.

People can still vote though :tongue:

RileyC · February 21, 2009

I think it would have to be the dropship because they are sort of shown in aotc but not looking like that. Also, it can hold the at te anyways

**KimT** · February 21, 2009

I've merged a few topics, reopened one and this is the final product :grin:

Discuss, comment and even vote on wether this is the greatest CLONE WARS set ever.

well, i was going to post in the thread about AT-OT/LAAT/c set but it was closed so i'll post here.
i won't be blackmailed by TLG with another s@h exclusive priced so exorbitantly. except for the AT-OT pilot's cockpit i think most parts can be procured from your regular AT-TE/RGS sets.

i haven't seen the instruction yet, but plan to make one from duplicate AT-TE/RGS sets that i bought. i'll just BL the rest of the parts (like dark blue wedges, technic beams, etc).

Bricklanta · February 21, 2009

It's way too expensive. For $250 TLG should've given us all the clones that could fit. :hmpf_bad:

**KimT** · February 21, 2009

It's way too expensive. For $250 TLG should've given us all the clones that could fit.

Agreed.

It does seem a little "cheap" making all those sets and only give us half of the required clones.

Palin Jax · February 21, 2009

Some of you compare this set with the RGS and AT-TE. However you should keep in mind that those are separate sets. This one is not. That means that you get twice the playability with this set than with the AT-TE or RGS! And if you own the AT-TE when you buy 10195, the set will have even more playability for you.
But if you do see this set as two separate ones in the same package (which it isn't) look at it this way:

The AT-OT is a larger vehicle than the AT-TE and has a fancy way of folding the cockpit back/open, so it will have more pieces than the AT-TE. The AT-TE seats 6 clones, but only comes with 2 and none of them is a pilot, so that's less than a third it should have had! The AT-OT seats 16 cones and comes with 6, but at least it also has a pilot to drive the thing. The only thing the AT-TE may be superior to the AT-OT is its playability since it has way more weapons to play with (including the hidden missile launchers) and has less legs, so it's easier to move/pose it.

The RGS and LAAT/c are hardly comparable since they have different purposes. The RGS (or LAAT/i) is for troop deployment and has a bunch of playability on its own, like the bacta tank, the command center, or the speeder bike. The LAAT/c on the other hand is made to interact with the AT-vehicles, so it has less features, but instead, it can easily pick up the AT-OT included in the set and drop it off again with the push of a button (which is pretty impressive IMO) and it can even do the same with the AT-TE. What's even better is that the LAAT/c has a convenient fold-away handle and seems to be pretty sturdy, so it has a better design and much more swooshability than the RGS. And while it has all these function, it looks very good IMO with all its greebling etc. Plus it has a more badass color scheme. Also, the LAAT/c comes with a clone Pilot, exactly the minifig it requires. The RGS would have needed 2 pilots and 2 gunners (for the wing turrets), but instead it came with a clone commander, a regular clone, and a bunch of random Jedi/Sith. So the dropship is much better (or at least more accurate) minifig-wise.

There. That's my in-depth comparison. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion with this, I just wanted to layout the facts.

Excellent comparison, Master Jedi... I conquer. This set is perfect, except that it is not, as of yet, in any film/CW episode in this pairing. Once this happens, it will truly be the cats meow. And not that its absence is wholly a negative thing. I for one am glad Lego went the AT-TO route. I would love to have another AT-TE, but this way, we are granted a measure of flexibility. Allot of you have made some wonderful comments, both for and against. I wish this set was cheaper, but in the end... Well, it just such a silent thing... to fall... I WILL have this set! I would have this set well before any other, except maybe the Venator... and that only for the Paps... Still, this IS the best CW set... EVER!

Long live the TIE Army! Commander Jax

Edited February 21, 2009 by Palin Jax

Oky · February 21, 2009

except for the AT-OT pilot's cockpit i think most parts can be procured from your regular AT-TE/RGS sets.
i haven't seen the instruction yet, but plan to make one from duplicate AT-TE/RGS sets that i bought. i'll just BL the rest of the parts (like dark blue wedges, technic beams, etc).

You're right; I was thinking the same thing! As soon as instructions are released, I'll try to recreate the LAAT/c to use it for my AT-TE. Then I will (technically) already have part of the set and will be able to wait for the price to go down. :wink:

i would say sets like The HSD and DGS are better (IMO) because i can display them in my scenes of the movies
That a sufficant answer?

Er... No. :tongue: I mean, why can't you use this set to reenact a scene from the Battle of Geonosis or one from the Battle of Felucia? Those vehicles were in those scenes in the movies. :wink:

Agreed.
It does seem a little "cheap" making all those sets and only give us half of the required clones.

True, but it's still better to get half the clones than only about a quarter of them as in the case of the AT-TE and RGS. :thumbup:

Excellent comparison, Master Jedi... I conquer. This set is perfect, except that it is not, as of yet, in any film/CW episode in this pairing.

Hey, nice to see you here again, Jax! :sweet: Thanks for the comment. Yes, these vehicles haven't been seen together before, but you can be sure that they will. Considering that this set comes out after the end of the first season of The Clone Wars, it can very well be that the vehicles are featured in the season finale, the Ryloth series. So this is not really an argument for not liking this set. :wink:

Btw, it doesn't make much sense to say "long live the TIE Army". That game has been dead for a long time now, even on Brick Horizon. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Legoman · February 21, 2009

Er... No. I mean, why can't you use this set to reenact a scene from the Battle of Geonosis or one from the Battle of Felucia? Those vehicles were in those scenes in the movies.

Yes, but...

This set is CW based. It has sticker's on the front and in star wars the dropship only ever carries AT-TE's. I COULD buy a AT-TE, put it with the dropship, then put the AT-OT on Felucia. But i WOULD then have to MOD the Droship to un-CW it. And quite frankly, i don't have enough money as it is for this year. Any excuse for me to spend less is a good one :tongue:

Palin Jax · February 22, 2009

Btw, it doesn't make much sense to say "long live the TIE Army". That game has been dead for a long time now, even on Brick Horizon. Sorry, but it's the truth.

You underestimate the power of the Dark Side... The TIE army will rise again... As to your other "prediction", we shall see... However, my comments were not stated as an argument for or against, just fair disclosure, and stated as such with the caveat "as of yet". It saddens me that Clone Wars Season 1 draws to a close. I am not in the "under 14" bracket... I drew my first gasps of this worlds polluted air a day after "Star Wars" was released nation wide. I can't say I prefer the CW over the PT/OT, but I can safely say I am a fan of it... All of you out there whom aren't... Whats the wait. I am not saying to embrace it simply because there will never be another Star Wars movie... I ask you to judge it on it's own merits with the unbiased abandon that drew you to the genre in the first place. The reasons it may be difficult are that the movies are just SO good... But I digress.

As to the lack of clones... Well, why else would we buy all those BP's? There IS only room for two on those little walker. Besides, I think that the AT/OT has hard point placements for additional batteries to provide cover fire... Else it would be the ultimate "Hum-Vee lacking protective armor". Should give those dozens of unemployed AT/TE gunners a job. Has anyone noticed if it has clips for gun holders though? One thing I disliked about the old AT-TE's is that the megaphones just sit next to the seat.

Edited February 22, 2009 by Palin Jax

alexrider7 · February 22, 2009

i love the at-ot set! unfortunatly, i destroyed my at-te to make more mocs, but hey! i can still build it again... and if not, one can not have TOO many at-tes :wink:

:devil: alexrider7 :devil:

**Stash2Sixx** · February 22, 2009

I voted no; I don't think it is the best CW set. I prefer the RGS after taking into account, figures, pieces, price, and overall enjoyment.

CommanderCody77 · February 22, 2009

I voted no; I don't think it is the best CW set. I prefer the RGS after taking into account, figures, pieces, price, and overall enjoyment.

Really? but the Dropship and AT-OT has 8 figures and all of them are clones!

**Stash2Sixx** · February 22, 2009

True, 6 clones and 2 pilots are nice...But I can go pick up a few Clone Walker battlepacks and have a more than 8 figures after spending only $50. Don't get me wrong, I've got both RGS that were released, and a custom one that somebody built. There are things I like and dislike from each one. But I prefer the overall playability on the newest one, #7676. I also really like the fact that the sloped panels on the newest one can easily be replaced in order to accomodate Rayman's artwork.

Now, if there had been a few more figures included, say a Jedi or two that we don't have or haven't seen in a while, then maybe it would be a tougher decision. Again, this is my opinion.

**natelite** · February 22, 2009

The RGS would have needed 2 pilots and 2 gunners (for the wing turrets), but instead it came with a clone commander, a regular clone, and a bunch of random Jedi/Sith. So the dropship is much better (or at least more accurate) minifig-wise.
There. That's my in-depth comparison. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion with this, I just wanted to layout the facts.

gunner comes in the clone bp. the pilot comes in the v19 torrent which is going for like 50% off almost everywhere in the world. :tongue: you are going to need clones in the bp to man your AT-OT anyway.

seriously...you can get RGS, AT-TE, clone packs, and if you can't get the pilots, then just BL them. still cheaper than AT-OT/LAAT/c because you can sell off those jedis and commanders from RGS and AT-TE to fund your pilot purchase and still be ahead.

the only issue i see is the effort to execute this plan. so for those with lots of money, it's probably better to pay TLG $250 for the convenience. for the rest, probably make sense to DYI.

Palin Jax · February 22, 2009

gunner comes in the clone bp. the pilot comes in the v19 torrent which is going for like 50% off almost everywhere in the world. you are going to need clones in the bp to man your AT-OT anyway.
seriously...you can get RGS, AT-TE, clone packs, and if you can't get the pilots, then just BL them. still cheaper than AT-OT/LAAT/c because you can sell off those jedis and commanders from RGS and AT-TE to fund your pilot purchase and still be ahead.

the only issue i see is the effort to execute this plan. so for those with lots of money, it's probably better to pay TLG $250 for the convenience. for the rest, probably make sense to DYI.

While your "minfig" argument is beyond detestation, I believe you may be missing another crucial point. Since Lego has been making bp's, almost all of the should-be-heavy-on-figure sets have been lacking in minifigs. Case in point... Endor leaves the defense of the most important shield generator to only 2 Biker Scouts and a Death Star Trooper. Hardly what I would be shaken by when they are out numbered... By Ewoks! Sure, if you could go out and find them, you should have no problem buying 22 or more clone bps, in what ever configuration you like, or picking up some swag pilots on BL, but if your primary focus remains on the figs, well... In my economy, I prefer to gazing at the glory of the plastic sculptures of my war machine. I love a big Army, same as all of you. But that laat/c bringing home the AT-OT "Bacon"... And thats the is what I call the art.. Of war!

Edited February 22, 2009 by Palin Jax

TheTacoMan · February 22, 2009

Bit of a delayed response i know, but i was asked if i dont think this is the best CW set, then what is?

Personally, i think the RGS is the best CW set. The design is amazing, it has a whole bunch of nifty little play features and it has a fairly generous amount of mini figures (even though i would have prefered another clone over ventress). Plus the price isn't so bad. Price is a really big factor in lego sets for me, as a uni student i don't have too much expendable income, so if a set is overpriced for no reason (Like this AT-OT/RDS) i tend to downrate it a LOT - even though the set itself may not be that bad.

Bottom line: If it was $100-150 AU cheaper it would be the greatest CW set

EDIT:

As stated before, at $20 for 4 clones in a BP, the fact that this set has more clones is negligible.

Edited February 22, 2009 by TheTacoMan

Legoking · February 22, 2009

Ah, I think the Republic Gunships and AT-TE's are much better than the AT-OT. First of all, the both of them are much cheaper than the AT-OT. When I first saw the pictures of the new AT-OT, I thought to myself, "I am totally going to get this set". Than when I saw the price of it, "NO WAY!" I think the AT-OT is over priced and should lower the price. Or, TLC could make individual sets for the AT-OT and the Republic Transport. That would of been a much smarter decision to make by TLC.

LegoKing

The Rancor · February 22, 2009

I voted that the ATOT and Dropship was the best Clone Wars set ever :grin:

The amount of minifigs on their own if bought from battlelacks and BL would be at least £25... + it just seems so much easier to buy the minifigs all in one go (I hope S@H has free/discounted shipped on this set).

I also think that £166 is a fair price for the set.

The Republic Gunship was £80, with only one clone trooper and Cody (+2 Jedi and a Sith)

The ATTE was £70, with only one clone trooper and Rex (+2 Jedi, Rotta thing and not-really-a-minifig Battledroid)

If you take things into account (at least for the UK), the Gunship and ATTE added together makes £150...

... then, the ATOT seems bigger than the ATTE and the LAAT is slightly smaller in pieces than the RGS + there are more mechanisms...

... and also there are 8 clones which are expensive to mold for TLG and would then cost £25 on their own.

This could add up to make £170 or £175, but probably due to VAT reduction, we get £166. A good deal I say! :thumbup:

Commander Flash · February 22, 2009

Good calculation. I knew TLG wouldn't totally rip us off. :classic:

Uncle · February 22, 2009

It seems that TLC is getting more and more skilled with each new set they produce. If you look at the side of the LAAT/c, it feels like your looking at a truly professional piece of art. I used to be annoyed that so many people could create MOCs that were better than the actual TLC products, but that feeling appears less and less now.

While the AT-OT is slightly less attractive than the AT-TE, it has more minfigs, and more of a feel of an actual troop transport than the AT-TE felt like a tank. I actually like the dropship more than the Republic Gunship, and so when you combine that with the AT-OT, it seems clearly the best CW set yet. Although, the price seems way too high, especially considering we can get the gunship, AT-TE, and 4 clone packs for the same price.

CloneMe · February 22, 2009

I voted yes simply because it is. :tongue: Just kidding but I am not a huge OT fan (I like them but I prefer PT). And this has been on my want list since episode 3 showed and the dropship is something Ive tried to recreate but I have failed many times. This dropship can carry the AT-OT and the AT-TE. I dont understand how you can put playability into this. None of us have played with this set yet.

mania3 · February 22, 2009

I voted yes. I think this is a really impressive set. I'm sure it has its flaws, like any set does. Most notably the price which I'm sure has and will be complained about in abundance. I'll be getting it, no doubt. But I'll likely wait to catch a sale which is inevitable.

**natelite** · February 23, 2009

While your "minfig" argument is beyond detestation, I believe you may be missing another crucial point. Since Lego has been making bp's, almost all of the should-be-heavy-on-figure sets have been lacking in minifigs. Case in point... Endor leaves the defense of the most important shield generator to only 2 Biker Scouts and a Death Star Trooper. Hardly what I would be shaken by when they are out numbered... By Ewoks! Sure, if you could go out and find them, you should have no problem buying 22 or more clone bps, in what ever configuration you like, or picking up some swag pilots on BL, but if your primary focus remains on the figs, well... In my economy, I prefer to gazing at the glory of the plastic sculptures of my war machine. I love a big Army, same as all of you. But that laat/c bringing home the AT-OT "Bacon"... And thats the is what I call the art.. Of war!

it's not a mf argument. :hmpf_bad: i suggest you go back and re-read it before trolling for sarcastic remark again.

Palin Jax · February 23, 2009

it's not a mf argument. i suggest you go back and re-read it before trolling for sarcastic remark again.

From the position you stated in your statement, it seemed to me based upon on a Minifig argument, seeing as how both sets you mentioned, the RGS and AT-TE, to be "ahead", are completely different than the two sets featured in the Exclusive, and the fulcrum of your argument rested upon the buying and selling of minifigs. If you want to mod the sets... Thats your option. Sometimes you can come out ahead by reselling. And while you can feel free to redress the issue, my position still stands... I LIKE the AT-TO/ LAAT/c. To me, the minifigs are irrelevant. If you miss understood my position, I apologizes for that. Otherwise, I suggest you take your own advice, and re-read my post. I do not troll... As I have not posted here in sometime. My comment wasn't meant to be sarcastic... so next time... be a bit more tactful in your rebuttal. :classic:

Algernon · February 23, 2009

I think I decided to skip the Dropship or at least wait on it. It's really appealing at first glance, but upon closer examination I don't think it's really worth the price tag at all. I may wait for it to go on sale, but I'm not sure I'll even buy it then, because by then the Space Police will be out. :tongue:

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