Which Clone Wars was better?

[Corvus]

While I agree that the 2D series was overexagerated, the new series ins extremely underexagerated. You see shots flying everywhere- and nothing seems to hit anything, and the only damage that ever seems to occur is what the Jedi do themselves.

I love both, for different reasons. The old series was simply awesome because of its overexagerated-ness, while I like the new one for its beautiful computer-animated scenes.

[Oky]

not saying the styles are ridiculous just the fact that they can do those styles is

Is it? In Ep V, Yoda raised an X-Wing out of a swamp and made it sound like an easy task. Size does not matter, remember? So I believe that he would be able to move bigger ships such as the landing crafts as well. And just like Jedi use force jump in the movies, wouldn't it be possible for a highly skilled jedi master such as Windu to accelerate his punches? If you think about it, it's not all that ridiculous.

Besides, it's a cartoon. Anything is possible in cartoons. In fact, that's the whole purpose of cartoons: to make the impossible possible! And you have to admit that those scenes were pretty damn cool; and that's all that matters.

I love both, for different reasons. The old series was simply awesome because of its overexagerated-ness, while I like the new one for its beautiful computer-animated scenes.

I agree.

Too bad that the computer animation of the new show is so costly and hard to make. Otherwise, I'm sure that they could do a much better job.

[Sir Dano]

Tartakovsky all the way.

I just can't stand the art style in the new series, they seem to be trying to mix 3D with anime, which in my opinion just doesn't work.

[Corvus]

I just can't stand the art style in the new series, they seem to be trying to mix 3D with anime, which in my opinion just doesn't work.

Agreed- I really don't like the proportions on some of the characters. Anakin is really thin, while the clones' arms are too thin. And then there's the eyes.

[M'Kyuun]

While I agree that the 2D series was overexagerated, the new series ins extremely underexagerated. You see shots flying everywhere- and nothing seems to hit anything, and the only damage that ever seems to occur is what the Jedi do themselves.

I love both, for different reasons. The old series was simply awesome because of its overexagerated-ness, while I like the new one for its beautiful computer-animated scenes.

I agree. The two shows are quite different, apart from the title. The cartoon was made as a series of shorts, and so it 's faster paced, and still manages alot of exposition. I prefer Tartarovski's take on Ventress, as well as the original V-19 design. Too, I think they showed Anakin's skirting the dark side more effectively.

The CG show is more realistic in its depictions, so they've throttled back alot to make it more believable, but a bit more bland, than the toon. I do like the maturity in the writing. I have to agree that the two sides do not seem evenly matched, as the droids are portrayed as comedy relief. There's nothing threatening about them, especially when a Jedi comes into the scene. When a leader demonstrating true ability and intelligence is introduced, he generally doesn't make it past two or three episodes. I imagine the introduction of Cade Bane is supposed to give the Republic, and the Jedi, the challenge that seems to be lacking for our protagonists thus far in the series.

Anakin to me is the biggest paradox in Clone Wars and the Prequels. The character would have been much more believable had we seen him and Obi, already a young capable Jedi, as friends, in their teens or twenties from the start, showing Anakin's unusually strong ability with the force and his now famous piloting skills. Obi-wan begins to train Anakin, who then desires to become a Jedi. So, we see Anakin join the Jedi Order and become a Knight of the Republic on into the second movie. Anakin's doing his good deeds, but he's full of questions, doubts, and on top of that, he meets a girl. Anakin begins to feel he's trapped, and he's conflicted b/c the Jedi kill and manipulate events to "better serve the Republic"; he's too young and inexperienced in the force to see what the Masters can see and why they must take the actions they do, or so they say. Disallusioned, Anakin takes his woman and flees the Jedi Order. Yoda, the oldest and most experienced of the Jedi, can sense the conflicts in Anakin and, having discovered his relationship through the force, decides to let Anakin go and charges Obi-wan with keeping an eye on his old friend, but from a distance, and with the understanding that there is to be no further training. Obi-wan complies, but events conspire to cause him to reveal himself to Anakin. Anakin, having made a life for himself using the force amongst the world of thieves and gamblers, walks a fine line having become embittered and cynical. Obi-wan's appearance causes him to lash out at Obi, who is forced to fight with his old friend. Obi-wan, sensing the darkness in Anakin, leaves his friend to his fate until facing him years later on the Death Star. Meanwhile, Palpatine's spies have taken great interest in this force weilding rogue. He is invited to Coruscant where he is employed in Palpy's underground schemes throughout the galaxy. The reports of Anakin's successes are promising, and Palpatine takes him into his confidence, offering to train Anakin in the dark side of the force. Thus is born Darth Vader. Vader becomes infamous throughout the galaxy, and becomes more powerful in the growing Empire. hunted by the Jedi and the Republic, he is shot down and left to die in the burning embers of his custom built strike craft. Palpy's scout teams locate him and he becomes the dark lord wee all know and love. Somewhere in all this mess, his woman becomes pregnant, but her fear of Anakin, and moreso of his boss, causes her to flee into hiding on Alderaan. Cue opening of Ep iV !

Slightly off topic there, but imagine how much better Clone wars would be if a much conflicted and argumentative Anakin was fighting the clones (not the pre-stormtroopers of Lucas's film) and the Mandalorians with Obi-wan.

[baby]

Of course the new one. The old Clone Wars series is like simply draw like they are in the rush of something. Very poor art I think.

[CommanderCody77]

I've got to say the new Clone Wars TV Series beats it. The animation is much better than the old one and the plot

is much better. Even though the old one has very cool vehicles like the Seismic tank I have to say that the new

Clone Wars TV Series is better

[CloneCommanderDelta7]

In the old Clone Wars, Yoda looked ugly and the Jedi moved their arms wildly while deflecting laser bolts. But the new ones advertising on Cartoon Network says that General Grievous turned into a cyborg because he wanted to (it said that the Jedi wouldn't accept him into their ranks so GG wnated to become robot to overpower them) not because Darth Tyranus ordered the Techno Union to crash their own shuttle. The new one is good though, good storyline, better animation and so on. Thats the goods and bads about them both from my view.

[yellost]

The old version was definitely better in term of technique. In the new one, the animation is all jerky and hacked and they can't even walk on a flat surface without looking like they're floating (though they did improve a little in the end...) whereas in the cartoon, the animation just flows from one scene to another in a fantasticly smooth way. But they did have a better opportunity to concentrate on the animation.

As for the art style, the cartoon went in a really original way (but who could expect anything else from Tartakovsky's team) with really cartoonish design on lush painted backgrounds (which I find fantastic but I can understand people not liking) while in the new one, they try to reuse what they did in 2D and put it in 3D. And most of the time it looks more like painted action figures (which the jerky animation doesn't help at all, unfortunately) in some wierd environments that don't quite know if they want to be realisitc or not.

And even though the episodes are far shorter, the characters are much more fleshed out in the cartoon than in the new serie. In the new one, only Ahsoka seems to have a real personality (which has me stuck, because it's about the only one I like in the new serie but she's also the one I have the hardest accepting; I'm still not liking the idea of Anakin having a padawan, but then again, that's just me...)

Storywise, however, I'd say the better Clone Wars run was in the comics. Because there, they really had time to go deep into the story and the characters and their internal conflicts. Be it Ventress' (Obsession) or Anakin's (Last stand of Jabiim. It's still one of the best chapters I've read in the Star Wars EU. You can really feel for him and go with him in his slow slip to the Dark Side). Even Oby Wan has one (and of course, Quinlan Vos, but that character is really specific to the comics)

But apart from that, by the way it's going, I'm starting to just completely dislike the whole Clone Wars Era. There is just too much material for the same very short time period so everything impedes on everything else and nothing makes sense anymore.

And yes, you can ruin your own film... George Lucas quite proved it. But he didn't need the new serie to do it, just Episode III.

[CloneMe]

They both are pretty good but my favorite is the new one. Theres so many new episodes and just tons of really neat things. Those of you who are complaining should just shut it. Theres no way Clone wars could ruin the franchise for a real star wars fan. This is what happens between 2-3. These stories could go on forever. Just like the ones before episode 1 and after 6. The stories could go on forever.

[yellost]

Theres no way Clone wars could ruin the franchise for a real star wars fan. This is what happens between 2-3. These stories could go on forever. Just like the ones before episode 1 and after 6. The stories could go on forever.

Well, there's the whole point of the problem, really : they can't go on forever, since it's only a 3 year time period... and if we consider everything that's happened in there so far, it looks like everyone is everywhere at the same time... it doesn't really make sense anymore... Which is a problem they don't quite encounter when telling stories after 6, since they don't have to go to events that have already been established and most importantly they aren't limited in the time what they want to tell can happen (although with the Legacy serie, now they might... But they still have quite a gap in which to maneuver)

Those of you who are complaining should just shut it.

And saying it like that is definitely the best way to have people NOT shut up. Rudenes not withstanding, your opinion is no better since there is no being right or wrong, here. Things just are and you either chose to go with the flow or start wondering and questioning. And I can tell you, fun can be had both ways.

[CloneMe]

Well, there's the whole point of the problem, really : they can't go on forever, since it's only a 3 year time period... and if we consider everything that's happened in there so far, it looks like everyone is everywhere at the same time... it doesn't really make sense anymore... Which is a problem they don't quite encounter when telling stories after 6, since they don't have to go to events that have already been established and most importantly they aren't limited in the time what they want to tell can happen (although with the Legacy serie, now they might... But they still have quite a gap in which to maneuver)

And saying it like that is definitely the best way to have people NOT shut up. Rudenes not withstanding, your opinion is no better since there is no being right or wrong, here. Things just are and you either chose to go with the flow or start wondering and questioning. And I can tell you, fun can be had both ways.

Im not trying to be rude. Sorry if it seems that way. Its just really annoying when people are saying that these series have ruined star wars all together.

[HumanPackMule]

I loved the original Clone Wars series back between II and III. The current series messes a bunch of stuff up IMHO

[blueandwhite]

Im not trying to be rude. Sorry if it seems that way. Its just really annoying when people are saying that these series have ruined star wars all together.

Everybody has their own opinion.

Personally I think that everything that needs to be said in the prequel timeline has pretty much been said. The second series always felt hollow to me simply because it was so unnecessary. Then again, I wasn't a huge fan of the prequel films to begin with. Right now I'm of the opinion that Star Wars needs to distance itself from the two trilogies. I'd love to see a new series set well into the future; far beyond any of the films or novels. It would give the writers the much needed flexability to weave a new tale that is both exciting and relevant to the Star Wars universe.