Car Talk

[Joey Lock]

This is an almost impossible question because we ned to know how much money you have and so on, and so on.

But having been in both, I would say the Lambo would be easier to reproduce. It has a bit lower of a tone which would be more attainable through other engines.

The ferari litterally sounds like a motorcycle, it is like you are in an F1 car. I would know.

Well I I got the Ferrari, It would proberbly be a town car, So I would never drive really fast so they might not know its a replica. On this video:

they use some Exhausts and It sounds pretty good, can you tell me i this sounds anything like the Ferrari. Cause I messaged the maker of the Video and he said it was a Camry Engine he used.

[Big Cam]

Well I I got the Ferrari, It would proberbly be a town car, So I would never drive really fast so they might not know its a replica. On this video:

they use some Exhausts and It sounds pretty good, can you tell me i this sounds anything like the Ferrari. Cause I messaged the maker of the Video and he said it was a Camry Engine he used.

I'll check when I get home. (no youtube at work)

I also have a video of the exhasut at idel for the F430 Scuderia, it's big though, I'll see if I can get it up on youtube. Check back later.

[prateek]

Well I I got the Ferrari, It would proberbly be a town car, So I would never drive really fast so they might not know its a replica. On this video:

they use some Exhausts and It sounds pretty good, can you tell me i this sounds anything like the Ferrari. Cause I messaged the maker of the Video and he said it was a Camry Engine he used.

Hmm... How did he get a Camry engine to sound like that! It sounds pretty good, like Ferraris I hear often (but I don't think I've ever heard a 430 before)

[5150 Lego]

Well I I got the Ferrari, It would proberbly be a town car, So I would never drive really fast so they might not know its a replica. On this video:

they use some Exhausts and It sounds pretty good, can you tell me i this sounds anything like the Ferrari. Cause I messaged the maker of the Video and he said it was a Camry Engine he used.

Thats just what you want for your replica super car. A toyota Camery engine. although depending on the year, it uses the same engine block as the MR2. So it could have potential power wise. And that "Ferrari" interior doesn't look half bad. Much better than the MR2 interior. How much does it run?

[Big Cam]

Well I I got the Ferrari, It would proberbly be a town car, So I would never drive really fast so they might not know its a replica. On this video:

they use some Exhausts and It sounds pretty good, can you tell me i this sounds anything like the Ferrari. Cause I messaged the maker of the Video and he said it was a Camry Engine he used.

It doesn't sound like a ferrari. It sounds like a ricer car, like a honda with a big can for an exhaust.

The Ferrari is high pitched but still has a grumble when revs come back down. Sorry but having been in 2 ferrari's and having been next to many riced out civics and camrys and scions and so forth, that Camry engine does not sound like a Ferrari V8.

[Joey Lock]

Thats just what you want for your replica super car. A toyota Camery engine. although depending on the year, it uses the same engine block as the MR2. So it could have potential power wise. And that "Ferrari" interior doesn't look half bad. Much better than the MR2 interior. How much does it run?

As in run do you mean price?:

Comprehensive GTF kit - £6500 comprises: Front end, Front diffuser/spoiler, Rear end, Rear bumper, Side sills X 2, Door skins X 2, Double skinned bonnet, Rear deck, Rear diffuser and vertical fins, Folding wings mirrors, mechanisms and glass (LHD and RHD script), Rear window and rear qtr windows, Window rubber trims, Front headlights complete with headlamps, indicators, side lights, trims, shells and lens covers (in kit form), Rear lights complete, 3rd brake light, Side repeater indicators, Bonnet and rear deck hinges, Door handle mechanisms and handle covers, Bonding agents, nuts and bolts etc to fit the kit, All hardware required, Build manual

And options:

GTF Dashboard - £400 (includes centre, left and right vent panels, heater panel and parts list for vents and other add ons and wiring diagrams)

GTF Engine cover - £300 - GRP panel only with shopping list for ancillary parts.

Leather interior kit - remodelled mr2 seats and door card inserts - £750

Exhaust - £750 - custom made in stainless steel.

Coilover suspension - £650

Wheels - £650 (18") £850 (19")

Tyres - £500 (18") £600 (19")

Hub extensions - £350 set of 4

Big Brake dummy kit - £220

GTF H-gate kit and centre tunnel - £200

Steering wheel - £120

GTF Badge kit - £80

Or you could get a turnkey car, all ready for you for £22K up to around £26K.

So my decision is to buy the Lamborghini or the Ferrari, Thats if I will bother to buy a Replica car.

I just simply wanted to know what was easier to replicate, A ferrari or a Lamborghini, In performance wise, luxury wise and Sound wise.

[5150 Lego]

So my decision is to buy the Lamborghini or the Ferrari, Thats if I will bother to buy a Replica car.

I just simply wanted to know what was easier to replicate, A ferrari or a Lamborghini, In performance wise, luxury wise and Sound wise.

Your really can't answer that question because in all, neither is easy to replicate. Both manufactuers are unique in how they achieve the overall "feel" there known for. To replicate this is not somthing that can be done easily with a KIT car that uses various pieces from different manufactuers.

If you want it to sound, feel, and perform like a Ferrari, then buy a Ferrari. If you wan the performance, sound and feel of a lambo, then buy a lambo. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Like i said in previous posts, there's a reason these cars cost as much as they do. Its not easy to replicate the luxury, feel, and performance that these cars produce for cheap. If that were the case then they would not cost as much as they do and the average family sedan would perform and feel like a super car.

Also you have to understand the the donor chassis your starting with isn't that great to begin with. Your talking about using a chassis that's 15+ yrs old and asking it to perform similar to that of a brand new Ferrari. Heck, even super cars such as Ferrari's and such of the same year as the donor chassis don't compare to average sports cars of today.

[Joey Lock]

Your really can't answer that question because in all, neither is easy to replicate. Both manufactuers are unique in how they achieve the overall "feel" there known for. To replicate this is not somthing that can be done easily with a KIT car that uses various pieces from different manufactuers.

If you want it to sound, feel, and perform like a Ferrari, then buy a Ferrari. If you wan the performance, sound and feel of a lambo, then buy a lambo. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. Like i said in previous posts, there's a reason these cars cost as much as they do. Its not easy to replicate the luxury, feel, and performance that these cars produce for cheap. If that were the case then they would not cost as much as they do and the average family sedan would perform and feel like a super car.

Also you have to understand the the donor chassis your starting with isn't that great to begin with. Your talking about using a chassis that's 15+ yrs old and asking it to perform similar to that of a brand new Ferrari. Heck, even super cars such as Ferrari's and such of the same year as the donor chassis don't compare to average sports cars of today.

The way you make it sound hard, I might aswell stick with the Vauxhall VX220.

Its just I don't get how it can be "IMPOSSIBLE" to replicate something that sounds at least any bit convincing like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I mean that Camry engine he used, sounded quite like the Ferrari I heard in another video. So Im pretty sure using that would convince people...

[Freddie]

It does unfortunately not sound anything like a Ferrari. The exhaust note is nice and sporty, but it still sounds like a V6. Ferrari engines have a mechanical set-up that is partly responisble for the sound their cars make (a sharp, "raspy" sound, compared to the slightly rounder and heavier sound of the V6 MR2 you posted), and will never be reproducable unless you manage to find a similar engine - which in these times would be a Ferrari engine. And I'm not talking about things that can be adjusted either - it's details in the construction that cannot be altered in any way - Ferraris are litterally engineered to sound like Ferraris, a fact proven when third-party exhaust companies develop "sports"-exhaust systems for these cars and they always end up sounding exactly the same, albeit a little louder.

It's the same with the V10 and V12 engines Lamborghini use today, altough here the sound is somewhat reproducable since the basic foundations of their engines have been spread throughout the different makes of VAG.

But if you're just looking for impressing Mr. Average living down the street, and other people in general, then the V6 is good enough with a similar set-up to that in the video. Just don't expect car-folks to go all ooh and aah, unless some serious quality work has been laid down.

[Joey Lock]

But if you're just looking for impressing Mr. Average living down the street, and other people in general, then the V6 is good enough with a similar set-up to that in the video. Just don't expect car-folks to go all ooh and aah, unless some serious quality work has been laid down.

Now you make it sound possible!

Who should I trust?

[5150 Lego]

Now you make it sound possible!

Who should I trust?

The real question is how much do you want to spend? If you think your going to be able to duplicate the looks, performance, sound and fell of these super cars and only spend 26, to 30,000euros then your dreaming. Is it possible? Sure. but in the end it will cost you.

Well Freddie basically said what i did. Only that i might be a bit easier to replicate the V10 of the Lambo, that still leaves you with how to duplicate the rest of the car in terms of quality, performance and overall feel.

I finally had chance to actually listen to that video you posted (can't watch you tube at work) and i agree with others. While its a clean sound, its definitely not a Ferrari.

Freddie also brought up a good point. While you may get Joe blow across the street to give you a thumbs up, don't expect car folks or those in the know to be impressed. Though you might even fool a car guy from a distance (i'll admit, some of those kits look good), but upon closer inspection, the truth will be told!

Kit cars are general frowned upon in the car community (with the exception of the old ford cobra's and Daytona's since real ones are valued in the millions) because there;.. well, fake. Kind of looked as being a "poser". Mainly because the quality is poor compared to the vehicle there attempting to be. But as i said, to get it to the point you want, it all depends on the amount you want to spend. For the price it seems your willing to spend, then your probably better off getting that Vauxhall.

Edited September 12, 2009 by 5150 Lego

[Joey Lock]

The real question is how much do you want to spend? If you think your going to be able to duplicate the looks, performance, sound and fell of these super cars and only spend 26, to 30,000euros then your dreaming. Is it possible? Sure. but in the end it will cost you.

Well Freddie basically said what i did. Only that i might be a bit easier to replicate the V10 of the Lambo, that still leaves you with how to duplicate the rest of the car in terms of quality, performance and overall feel.

I finally had chance to actually listen to that video you posted (can't watch you tube at work) and i agree with others. While its a clean sound, its definitely not a Ferrari.

Freddie also brought up a good point. While you may get Joe blow across the street to give you a thumbs up, don't expect car folks or those in the know to be impressed. Though you might even fool a car guy from a distance (i'll admit, some of those kits look good), but upon closer inspection, the truth will be told!

Kit cars are general frowned upon in the car community (with the exception of the old ford cobra's and Daytona's since real ones are valued in the millions) because there;.. well, fake. Kind of looked as being a "poser". Mainly because the quality is poor compared to the vehicle there attempting to be. But as i said, to get it to the point you want, it all depends on the amount you want to spend. For the price it seems your willing to spend, then your probably better off getting that Vauxhall.

Ill proberbly stick with the Vauxhall but I if I did get the Replica I just didn't want people laughing at it when I went by sounding like a normal everyday car. I wanted to wow people.

EDIT: Just recieved the reply from the MR2Kits.co.uk owner, and he sent me some pictures with it:

"Hi

Please find attached photos as requested. Seats are very much personal choice - the ones we used in our demo car are Sparco Milano prestige leather in tan colour and all other plastics were colour coded to suit.

The best donor for performance is the mr2 mk2 rev 3 turbo giving 245bhp as standard which is easily rasied to over 300bhp without major modification. For sound, the easiest engine to fit into the mr2 is the Camry 3.0 V6. Others have fitted V8s into the mk2 but this is a major project."

Edited September 12, 2009 by Joey Lock

[5150 Lego]

After seeing the photos.... While you may not get laughed at, you wouldn't get much respect from the car community. The car is drastically miss proportioned (to high and to short) and if doesn't give it away (or get you laughed at), then the plastic engine cover surely will.

[prateek]

After seeing the photos.... While you may not get laughed at, you wouldn't get much respect from the car community. The car is drastically miss proportioned (to high and to short) and if doesn't give it away (or get you laughed at), then the plastic engine cover surely will.

Yeah, the back end sticks out oo much and the front isn't out enough. And that engine cover is pretty bad too. That Vauxhall looks pretty good BTW.

[blueandwhite]

I've never understood the appeal of kit cars. At the end of the day, most kit cars are pretty easy to spot (engine sound, fit & finish, vehicle proportions, etc.) and even if you do manage to fool the majority of folks; the car is still nothing more than a lie. Heck, why is it so important to fool your neighbours into believing you own an exotic car in the first place? For the kind of scratch you're talking, why not purchase a used 3 series or something similar. In the long run you'll probably be better off if you try and enjoy a car for what it is rather than passing it off as something it is not.

No matter how good the kit is, there will always be somebody who will spot the fact that it is a fake. Not all of these people will have kind words for you.

[prateek]

So, this year is the 50th anniversary for MINI, and they said they might release a coupe and a convertible next year. Pretty cool if you ask me

As for kit cars, in my Transportation Technology class, we are making a Plymouth Superbird.

Edited September 18, 2009 by prateek

[blueandwhite]

I just don't know about that Mini. It seems that BMW is really milking the Mini brand for all it is worth and the image is really starting to wear thin. VW got it right with the Scirocco but this Mini really doesn't work for me.

[Joey Lock]

So, this year is the 50th anniversary for MINI, and they said they might release a coupe and a convertible next year. Pretty cool if you ask me

As for kit cars, in my Transportation Technology class, we are making a Plymouth Superbird.

That Mini looks too Girly for my liking. And for some reason the front of the Top Image reminds me of a Ford Mustang...

[Big Cam]

Um, there is already a mini convertable.

[Joey Lock]

Um, there is already a mini convertable.

But he meant they are going to do a special "50th Anniversary" edition I believe.

[MetroiD]

I just don't know about that Mini. It seems that BMW is really milking the Mini brand for all it is worth and the image is really starting to wear thin. VW got it right with the Scirocco but this Mini really doesn't work for me.

Couldn't agree more.

Regarding VW - they're planning on producing the BlueSport, which should be a great-lookin roadster and should hit the stores by 2012 or 2013, I guess... I absolutely loved the Scirocco, this one also looks great:

As to kit cars - to me, that's a "nay-nay", as John Pinnette would say. Then again, every train has its passengers ;)

[Joey Lock]

Couldn't agree more.

Regarding VW - they're planning on producing the BlueSport, which should be a great-lookin roadster and should hit the stores by 2012 or 2013, I guess... I absolutely loved the Scirocco, this one also looks great:

As to kit cars - to me, that's a "nay-nay", as John Pinnette would say. Then again, every train has its passengers ;)

That cars amazing. Im liking the sports "Jet plane" interior:

[prateek]

Couldn't agree more.

Regarding VW - they're planning on producing the BlueSport, which should be a great-lookin roadster and should hit the stores by 2012 or 2013, I guess... I absolutely loved the Scirocco, this one also looks great:

As to kit cars - to me, that's a "nay-nay", as John Pinnette would say. Then again, every train has its passengers ;)

That's an awesome car. I'd like to see a comparison of this with the Mazda MX-5. As for that Mini Roadster concept I posted, it's actually a different car. In the convertible, the top folds down behind the second, and on that Roadster, there are only two seats.

[Big Cam]

Couldn't agree more.

Regarding VW - they're planning on producing the BlueSport, which should be a great-lookin roadster and should hit the stores by 2012 or 2013, I guess... I absolutely loved the Scirocco, this one also looks great:

As to kit cars - to me, that's a "nay-nay", as John Pinnette would say. Then again, every train has its passengers ;)

Honda is going to kick themselves for killing the S2000, it would be a direct competitor for this badboy. Now Honda just gave them all of their market share.

[Joey Lock]

Honda is going to kick themselves for killing the S2000, it would be a direct competitor for this badboy. Now Honda just gave them all of their market share.

But mabye Honda are developing a much cheaper, sporty, more economic roadster...

Like this:

With a Maserati Gob, A Peugeot face.

I meen look at how they are trying to copy Maserati designs:

Reminds me alot of the Quattroporte.