What licensed themes will end next year?

[JCC1004]

If new games are to be released close to Christmas, maybe there will also be a few sets and then the line is finished.

They could release some sets before the end of this year and then PoP could take IJ's place.

PoP is some low budget disney moive made after a video game. Indy's like Star Wars,thry have older(my opinion, better) moives and newer ones to make sets from. Spped racer was made because the new moive. PoP will be the same. Thy only have one moive to make sets off of and Indy has four. There are even Indy 5 rumors! Clone wars has kept the classic SW sets alive and an Indy 5 will do the same. In no way, shape, or form should Indy be replaced by PoP.

Edited August 6, 2009 by JCC1004

[Oky]

1. With PoP, Indy has tons of new molds, like the head wrap for the Staff of Ra scene and the camels for the tank.(But we don't want any camels, but I counted 5 )

2. Sales have been great.

3. Theres talk of a 5th movie.

4. A new videogame is coming out.

5. Theres still alot of sets they could make! (Ok, not TONS but some.......)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but:

1. Exactly. Indy & PoP are just too similar to co-exist. Don't you think they would have waited with releasing the Cairo set until the PoP molds are ready if they were to continue the line?

3. Talks of a 5th movie are just speculations at the moment. If there is gonna be one, it'll come out in 3 years at best, and the lego line will have long run out of ideas for sets by then to keep the theme alive.

4. Remember Batman? And Harry Potter? All these licensed themes seem to end with a videogame.

5. Perhaps, but not many iconic vehicles (on which the theme is based). I don't think TLC would ever make a tank, and the other stuff is just not interesting enough for them, I think. I could imagine them releasing one more wave at best, but that would be it.

Sorry, just being realistic here.

[Omicron]

What makes you say that? There are plenty of possibilities- just see the idea thread.

Batman had plenty of possibilities. Spongebob had plenty of possibilities. Avatar had plenty of possibilities. Harry Potter had plenty of possibilities. Where are those themes? Just because you believe there are possibilities and that people have ideas, does not guarantee that Lego will take them up.

And so what if Indy is popular. Batman is popular . Spongebob is popular. Harry Potter is popular. Those franchises actually have a larger fanbase, most likely larger than Indy (Batman and HP can be gauranteed). Global popularity does not guarantee a long lifeline of Lego sets. IMO, Star Wars died a long time ago, since all they do is just find new ways to release old sets. Indy is just something that comes and goes.

-Omi

Edited August 6, 2009 by Omicron

[KimT]

Batman had plenty of possibilities. Spongebob had plenty of possibilities. Avatar had plenty of possibilities. Harry Potter had plenty of possibilities. Where are those themes? Just because you believe there are possibilities and that people have ideas, does not guarantee that Lego will take them up.

And so what if Indy is popular. Batman is popular . Spongebob is popular. Harry Potter is popular. Those franchises actually have a larger fanbase, most likely larger than Indy (Batman and HP can be gauranteed). Global popularity does not guarantee a long lifeline of Lego sets. IMO, Star Wars died a long time ago, since all they do is just find new ways to release old sets. Indy is just something that comes and goes.

-Omi

Batman was shut down because the new movies are a little too dark and evil for a toy like LEGO.

Spongebob is still around, isn't it?

Harry Potter... grew dark too or didn't seel enough (not sure of that one).

Star Wars releases old sets? Like Pirate Tank, Rebel Blockade Runner, RAS, Sep. Shuttle, Anakin's Y-Wing and so on?

...

[Millacol88]

Omicron, the SW releases are now mostly CW, with new scenes, new vehicles and new minifigs. Maybe you stopped paying attention when it "died."

[Omicron]

Batman was shut down because the new movies are a little too dark and evil for a toy like LEGO.

Spongebob is still around, isn't it?

Harry Potter... grew dark too or didn't seel enough (not sure of that one).

Star Wars releases old sets? Like Pirate Tank, Rebel Blockade Runner, RAS, Sep. Shuttle, Anakin's Y-Wing and so on?

...

The Batman line had nothing to do with the Dark Knight, nor was it primarily based on the movie. Notice how the line was already around way before the Dark Knight was even filmed. Sure we had a Tumbler, but that is more of a marketing thing, and it was confirmed that Batman had no actual ties to Dark Knight. I know why Harry Potter sets are discontinued, but it is apparently still around.

And take a good look at Star Wars sets. Sure it may be "Anakin's" Y-Wing, but it is just another Y-Wing.

Omicron, the SW releases are now mostly CW, with new scenes, new vehicles and new minifigs. Maybe you stopped paying attention when it "died."

They may be CW, but they aren't primarily "new". This set is just this set. This set is really this set. This set is really this set. This set is a combo of this set and this set. Some new vehicles. Maybe you stoped paying attention when Star Wars repeated itself, cuz I haven't.

-Omi

Edited August 7, 2009 by Omicron

[Millacol88]

The Batman line had nothing to do with the Dark Knight, nor was it primarily based on the movie. Notice how the line was already around way before the Dark Knight was even filmed. Sure we had a Tumbler, but that is more of a marketing thing, and it was confirmed that Batman had no actual ties to Dark Knight.

You and Kim have the same point, so what are you trying to dispute? The line never had anything to do with the Dark Knight, because it was discontinued as the movies got darker.

[KimT]

I am sorry Omicron, but you're way off there.

Claiming that the new Star Wars sets are spin-off's on older sets is not right.

But you seem keen on keeping that impression, so I'm going to let you keep it

Also I'd rather not turn this topic into a discussion on Star Wars since the intent was to discuss which themes might end next year.

So let's stay cool and get this back on track, deal?

[Millacol88]

And SW is definitely not ending next year.

1313th Post!

*Walks under ladder while stepping on cracks and carrying several black cats*

[McSmeag]

They may be CW, but they aren't primarily "new". This set is just this set. This set is really this set. This set is really this set. This set is a combo of this set and this set. Some new vehicles. Maybe you stoped paying attention when Star Wars repeated itself, cuz I haven't.

Yeah, Star Wars Lego product has been cyclical. Every few years they release newer versions of things they've already released in the past - many times with lots of structural changes, though lately many of them have been almost identical. How many x-wings and tie fighters have we had by now? I actually chuckled when I saw people surprised that a Rebel Blockade runner is being released, since I remember when the first one was in stores years ago (this new one is actually the third blockade runner, if you count the one that came with the first star destroyer).

I'm certainly not complaining or anything; I like Star Wars and I like that Lego is making good product even better (and to their credit, they do still release some entirely-new sets in the line), but to deny that the Lego Star Wars line is repeating itself a lot is to ignore the factual world around us.

[Penitent Tangent]

Anakins Y-Wing is based on the Clone Wars design, it's not the same ship that was released before from the movies.

Although they are re-releasing a lot of older sets, Clone Wars is basically giving them a never ending supply of new things they can continue to release along side those remakes, and pretty soon we'll have the live action TV show, which will no doubt introduce a lot of new things as well. I don't see the Star Wars line ending anytime soon, it just sells too well, and there's a massive amount of different things they can do with it.

And for people like me, who've only recently started collecting the sets (I think my oldest set is the 2007 Naboo Starfighter) I certainly don't mind seeing them remaking older sets, especially as the newer ones tend to be done a lot better. I say bring on a new Sail Barge, B-Wing and Slave 1, alongside things like the Malevolence from Clone Wars.

[Omicron]

You and Kim have the same point, so what are you trying to dispute?

Nothing. My original point is that all the themes I mentioned are popular in the media, just like how Indy is.

-Omi

[McSmeag]

Anakins Y-Wing is based on the Clone Wars design, it's not the same ship that was released before from the movies.

Right, but Lego has made multiple sets of the Death Star, the Imperial Star Destroyer, the Tantive IV, Darth Vader's TIE Fighter, the regular TIE fighter, the X-Wing Fighters, the normal Y-Wing fighters, the Republic Gunships, the snowspeeders, the Hailfire Droids, the ATTs, the MTTs, AT-ATs, AT-STs, Slave I (though in that one's defense, one was green and one was blue), and the list goes on and on and on. You're trying to show only one example of an actualy slighty-different craft to 'disprove' the fact that Leg has redesigned many crafts multiple times.

Which is totally okay with me, as I said. It's not something despicable, so why deny it? I know I certainly like the newer snowspeeder better than the old one.

[KimT]

Ok ok ok...

There's some rereleases within the Star Wars theme

Now can we get back on topic here?

[Etzel]

An ending of the Indiana Jones theme would be very sad, it's a very good theme. I really like many of the sets, especially the non-vehicle ones. But I think IJ is beginning to run short of ideas for new sets and I think it's better to stop before everything is made (leave something for the MOC-builders ). One more wave would be nice though

One positive side effect of IJ ending would be that it opens a door for the Adventures theme to come back. That theme is one of the best themes ever and still have great amount of possibilities!

[Canticleer blues]

Looking at the source material for each, I really don't see how Indiana Jones and Prince of Persia are all that similar. They share a desert setting, and...that's all, really. No same time-setting, no vehicles, style, villains...nothing. Also, Indiana Jones has had a video game before without ending.

One positive side effect of IJ ending would be that it opens a door for the Adventures theme to come back. That theme is one of the best themes ever and still have great amount of possibilities!

While that would be awesome, I doubt it'll happen. Looking at Lego's recent trend of resurrecting themes, they create new ones instead of keeping old themes- Agents, New Pirates, New Aquaraiders, etc., all without relation to old themes. So most likely we'd see a whole new theme.

[Lt. Col. Thok]

Also, Indiana Jones has had a video game before without ending.

So did Batman - damn shame that line ended.

Its also a shame that TLG will be replacing themes such as Batman and Harry Potter with Ben 10. It doth distress me.

[Canticleer blues]

Nope, the Batman game had its final line in 2008, the same year its video game version was released. The video games are not heralds for the end of a line- that's only happened for one theme so far, and everyone freaks out over it.

[Omicron]

Looking at the source material for each, I really don't see how Indiana Jones and Prince of Persia are all that similar. They share a desert setting, and...that's all, really. No same time-setting, no vehicles, style, villains...nothing.

Both are Adventerous Themes, and PoP has pieces that can be used for Indy sets (if they were to still happen).

Nope, the Batman game had its final line in 2008,

What Lt. Col. Thok meant to say is that the Batman theme had a game before it ended (which is similar to your point with Indy having a game). And then he says "too bad it ended", which refutes. I bet Indy will end right after the second game.

-Omi

[dabulls03]

While that would be awesome, I doubt it'll happen. Looking at Lego's recent trend of resurrecting themes, they create new ones instead of keeping old themes- Agents, New Pirates, New Aquaraiders, etc., all without relation to old themes. So most likely we'd see a whole new theme.

What about Power Miners, a ressurection of Rock Raiders, and Space Police III a ressurection of, well, Space Police?

[legoindy01]

It really makes me mad that AMAZING themes like Indiana Jones, batman, and Harry Potter have ended so that they can use new themes like Ben 10 or POP. I am almost certain that Ben 10 will be a 1/2 wave thing and just about as bad as spongebob. Indiana Jones DESIRVES 1 last stand. A grand finale. Give the fans what the want. A TANK. lego, just give us one more release of sets. it's an easy 4 set wave from all of the movies and great action scenes.

it's this simple

Chase through the university: Mutt, Indy (professor) just use the venice indy add brown pants and grey hair, and 2 KGBs just use the harry potter 3 piece suit and add black fedoras. Mutt's cycle and a blue 2 seater car- $10

brawl in nepal (raven bar): Indy, Marion (bar), toht, and 2 thugs. Much like the lost tomb set, with one complete back wall with bar, 2 tables, and 2 side walls just like on the lost tomb set. -$25

Airplane Escape: Indy, Willie (white suit), short round, and 2 pilots. Large tri-motor plane with raft- $40-$50

Tank Rescue: Indy, Sallah, Henry sr., Brody, Vogel, 2 baddies(nazis), and driver. large tank with comparment inside to hold henry and brody and a drivers seat. Also includes a small truck to hold the nazis. Plus 2 horses 1 for Indy and 1 for sallah.

I think these sets are VERY probable and are probably the only ones left that involve enough action to be turned into a set. I like the Tank chase turnning into more of a "Indy and sallah have to rescue Henry Sr. and Marcus Brody" There are still other sets they could make but this make sense if their canceling the line. heck they could make the tank a TRU/SAH exclusive and even raise the price up to $70 and would probably still sell it well.

[Oky]

I'm sorry, but I must disagree.

Indiana Jones DESIRVES 1 last stand.

It can't deserve it that much if it's not even worth spelling it right that it does.

I agree, though. It would be nice to have another wave.

Chase through the university

$10? Being optimistic, eh? The last time I checked, an Indy set with two cars costs $30, so this would cost at least $15. Besides, this would basically be the same as Shanghai Chase, just with Mutt and his bike instead of Willie, Short Round, and his car.

brawl in nepal (raven bar)

A bar? Not very exciting, even if it comes with a few flame pieces. And why a 2 sided wall? I don't recall them ever going behind the bar.

Airplane Escape

There was nothing "action packed" about the airplane. In fact, most of his stay in the plane, Indy was sleeping. Besides, the only difference between this and Peril in Peru is the third propeller and the raft instead of the jeep. A small set with only the raft would make more sense than this IMO.

Tank Rescue

I think we already covered this. Even though it's obvious this would sell well, TLC will never make military sets. The closest they have ever come to making a historic military vehicle was the jeep in Race for the Stolen Treasure with the make-believe gun on top.

Conclusion: I don't think these sets are very probable at all. Sorry, again, it's not like I want Indy to end, in the contrary, but I'm being realistic about it.

Let's just hope that Etzel is right and that the Adventures theme will return (although I'm not sure what else they can do with it, considering they have already done an Egypt, Mayan, Oriental, and even Dinosaur subtheme ).

Edited August 8, 2009 by Oky Wan Kenobi

[salty tbone]

I think we already covered this. Even though it's obvious this would sell well, TLC will never make military sets. The closest they have ever come to making a historic military vehicle was the jeep in Race for the Stolen Treasure with the make-believe gun on top.

I would've agreed with you until Lego released the Fighter Plane Attack and Flying Wing sets. Now, honestly, I don't know how anyone can say "never." I'm not saying Lego is going to release a "NATO vs. The Taliban: It's On!" line, but several of the Indiana Jones have military tones because of the movie settings. Asking for one more doesn't seem so far-fetched just because it would feature a WWI-era tank.

[legoindy01]

$10? Being optimistic, eh? The last time I checked, an Indy set with two cars costs $30, so this would cost at least $15. Besides, this would basically be the same as Shanghai Chase, just with Mutt and his bike instead of Willie, Short Round, and his car.

I must dissagre there. if the do a car like the harry potter one and add mutt's motorcycle it could cost 10 to maybe 15 at the most.

A bar? Not very exciting, even if it comes with a few flame pieces. And why a 2 sided wall? I don't recall them ever going behind the bar.

when did I say that it had to be a 2 sided wall? I just said it had to have a bar on one side. The other side would just be nothing really. maybe is could have a feature where it falls apart? Maybe a bar is not reasonable but the only other set I can see them making from raiders is the submarine and shipe or the map room.

There was nothing "action packed" about the airplane. In fact, most of his stay in the plane, Indy was sleeping. Besides, the only difference between this and Peril in Peru is the third propeller and the raft instead of the jeep. A small set with only the raft would make more sense than this IMO.

I really dissagre here. How is this set less exciting than the peril in peru. Heck, most of peril in peru wasn't even in the movie. I think having indy escape the plane in the raft would be a good feature and if the added a way to make the ple explode then it would be a great set in general. But perhaps you have the same mindset of TLG and are just being real

I think we already covered this. Even though it's obvious this would sell well, TLC will never make military sets. The closest they have ever come to making a historic military vehicle was the jeep in Race for the Stolen Treasure with the make-believe gun on top.

I actually think that the fighter plane was just as militaryish a tank would be. This one is really on the line of 'good for a set' and 'too violent for a set' But you are probably right on this one.

I guess my list was pretty unreal. At this point I have to say that if TLG looks at these the same way Oky Wan does there is no chance for the Indy line to continue after the video game. I'm glad we've gotten what we have now. If it's over then so be it. I guess I'll move onto collecting the toy story sets or star wars again.

[Omicron]

It really makes me mad that AMAZING themes like Indiana Jones, batman, and Harry Potter have ended so that they can use new themes like Ben 10 or POP.

And what is wrong with Ben 10 and PoP? Out with the old, in with the new.

I am almost certain that Ben 10 will be a 1/2 wave thing and just about as bad as spongebob.

You can never be so certain about that. Ben 10 has a huge fanbase already.

Give the fans what the want. A TANK.

Lego doesn't make anything modern military-esque. You know that.

Indiana Jones DESIRVES 1 last stand. A grand finale.

To be quite honest, it doesn't "deserve" much. Just because it is Indiana Jones, doesn't mean we praise it like its a god.

it's this simple

Marketing is never that simple. You'll learn that when dealing with the economy.

I think these sets are VERY probable and are probably the only ones left that involve enough action to be turned into a set.

Just as probable as Galidor returning.

Seriously, you gotta learn to let things go.

-Omi

Edited August 8, 2009 by Omicron