Bionicle 2009 Discussion (Spam free)

[Antrozek]

Um.... that was broken in 2006...

Umbra =P

[Bfahome]

Umbra =P

And if you really want to get vague, it was broken in 2002 with the Bohrok.

[The Alchemyst]

Or even more general, the Rahi of '01 with the treads. :P

Still, you gotta admit, the Destral Cycle was a well thought-out and good looking bike, made out of just Bionicle pieces, and not only that, one set.

One of the best models out there no doubt. [After stuff like Voporak and Kardas and stuff. >.>]

[-TA-]

[Bundalings]

Or even more general, the Rahi of '01 with the treads. :P

Still, you gotta admit, the Destral Cycle was a well thought-out and good looking bike, made out of just Bionicle pieces, and not only that, one set.

One of the best models out there no doubt. [After stuff like Voporak and Kardas and stuff. >.>]

[-TA-]

If it was non canon, then yes. Since it's canon, it makes me sick.

But I take Bionicle too seriously.

~Bunda

[---Vertea---]

I just bought Ackar and the red Vladek sword looks fantastic- if a little small.

[Phantoka Kopaka Nuva]

I just noticed something: on the pic with Skopio, look closely to its jaws. Is it just me or are those Telluris' arms?

[---Vertea---]

I just noticed something: on the pic with Skopio, look closely to its jaws. Is it just me or are those Telluris' arms?

I think only as a detail of the jaw mechanism. It looks kinda cool

[Phantoka Kopaka Nuva]

I think only as a detail of the jaw mechanism. It looks kinda cool

As long as Telluris' head isn't in it, it's cool with me.

[jala12]

The no wheels thing was first thought up by Bob Thompson who was the original head of the story team. Ever since he left, it was decided that rule only applies to Metru-nui. Anywhere else it would be fine (thankfully). Having legs transport everything may be unique, but in the end it's unconventional and may even seem stupid in some situations.

[Brickthing]

I've got the Destral Cycle on my shelf. It seriously wasn't worth buying another Jetrax for it, especially seeing that I despise the Motor-cycle in BIONICLE thing. It's built pretty well considering it uses just one set though.

Compared to Kaxium though, the Destral Cycle isn't that bad. At least it's got a nonsensical 4 back wheels made entirely of plastic, but the Kaxium has rubber wheels as in TECHNIC sets.

The elemental powers are there, I'm 99% sure of it. Gresh's Toa power quote on BIONICLE.com, that picture, the fact that Ackar's sword can be seen in a flame and non-flame form, and the video of MN's team blasting off baddies.

Plus, elemental powers are cool, and it's one of the things that have been with BIONICLE since the beginning. Hopefully they'll be used for more than blasting irregardless of the actual element being used.

On the bright side, the picture of Ackar shows that the elemental use should be more interesting than in previous movies, because Ackar it aiming his sword up, not ramming it into the ground.

[Zip]

I don't think the Glatorian actually have elemental powers, but elementally-charged weapons. Greg once said that all the Glatorian weapons were once charged with elemental energy or something, but after the Core War ended, the energy to run the weapons disappeared. I'm guessing Mata Nui found a way to recharge the weapons, maybe having something to do with that GB lab under Tajun.

[jala12]

The two possiblities are either Mata-nui recharges the weapons or uses his mask to give actual powers to the Glatorian. Speaking of which, how would Gresh's work onscreen? Would he shoot vines out of his hands or something? Shoot razor leaves from his shield?

[Zarkan]

Umbra =P

Technically, though, when the Inika saw Umbra, they weren't sure what exactly his wheels were, and it was explained that Umbra was from the Great Beings, rather than just being a creation of the Makuta. The general rule for years has been that in the Matoran Universe, wheels are a foreign object to most inhabitants (much like paper and eggs). Unfortunately, this was completely broken when Jetroz showed up with his Destral Cycle, which took away some of the uniqueness of the current Bionicle universe.

That's why I'm not nearly as upset about the Kaxium. Since Bara Magna is a totally different world, there's no reason why wheels could not exist. My hatred of the Destral Cycle stems from the fact that it contradicted everything that we knew about wheels in Bionicle, without even a halfbaked explanation (or retcon, as it goes in the comic book world) as to why wheels suddenly existed in the Matoran Universe.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Grevious

[S-N]

The two possiblities are either Mata-nui recharges the weapons or uses his mask to give actual powers to the Glatorian. Speaking of which, how would Gresh's work onscreen? Would he shoot vines out of his hands or something? Shoot razor leaves from his shield?

Or somehow he gets air powers instead of jungle ones. :P

[InnerRayg]

Technically, though, when the Inika saw Umbra, they weren't sure what exactly his wheels were, and it was explained that Umbra was from the Great Beings, rather than just being a creation of the Makuta. The general rule for years has been that in the Matoran Universe, wheels are a foreign object to most inhabitants (much like paper and eggs). Unfortunately, this was completely broken when Jetroz showed up with his Destral Cycle, which took away some of the uniqueness of the current Bionicle universe.

That's why I'm not nearly as upset about the Kaxium. Since Bara Magna is a totally different world, there's no reason why wheels could not exist. My hatred of the Destral Cycle stems from the fact that it contradicted everything that we knew about wheels in Bionicle, without even a halfbaked explanation (or retcon, as it goes in the comic book world) as to why wheels suddenly existed in the Matoran Universe.

You guys can not seriously care about this.

[Bundalings]

You guys can not seriously care about this.

I'm afraid we do. =/

~Bunda

[Brickthing]

I'm afraid we do. =/

~Bunda

Plus, it was owned by Avak in the past, who stole it from Dark Hunters. And it travels at supersonic speeds!

[~Wrack'n'Ruin~]

Destral Cycle > 2001

[Ikki o' Moopyville]

Destral Cycle > 2001

Yeah, really not.

[The Alchemyst]

Lol, I don't get why people are so upset with the Destral Cycle still. ._.

So what if it has wheels, it's a pretty basic thing, along with screws, levers and even inclined planes. >.>

There's treads in the Rahi, treads. That's at least a step up from wheels.

There's also Jetpacks, wings, turbines, and Artakha. ._.

It's bound for someone to discover wheels.

Here's the deal.

Did any of you actually think about wheels before Umbra/Destral Cycle?

I certainly didn't. ._.

[-TA-]

[jala12]

I already gave an explanation on the previous page, yet no one seems to be listening to me. The no wheels rule only applies to Metru-nui, not the rest of the Matoran universe.

[Bundalings]

Lol, I don't get why people are so upset with the Destral Cycle still. ._.

So what if it has wheels, it's a pretty basic thing, along with screws, levers and even inclined planes. >.>

There's treads in the Rahi, treads. That's at least a step up from wheels.

There's also Jetpacks, wings, turbines, and Artakha. ._.

It's bound for someone to discover wheels.

Here's the deal.

Did any of you actually think about wheels before Umbra/Destral Cycle?

I certainly didn't. ._.

[-TA-]

I don't mind wheels. I mind Bionicle choppers.

It looks like a technic set, or something. Fine for a fun alternate model, but they shouldn't have tried to put it in the story. At least it was never featured in any main plot...

~Bunda

[Zarkan]

Destral Cycle > 2001

I couldn't be further from being a 2001'ite like some of the members, and even I see how ludicrous that is. Please tell me you are joking....

I already gave an explanation on the previous page, yet no one seems to be listening to me. The no wheels rule only applies to Metru-nui, not the rest of the Matoran universe.

News to me, but at least now I know there's an explanation. The problem is... it's totally lame! Seriously, how can Metru Nui, the prime capital of the Matoran Universe, be the only place in that universe that doesn't have wheel technology? If the rest of the universe does, wouldn't it be logical that after thousands of years it would eventually make its way to the biggest city in Mata Nui's body? Seriously, this is just dumb.

And yes, I mean the explanation, not you, jala12.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Grevious

[S-N]

I couldn't be further from being a 2001'ite like some of the members, and even I see how ludicrous that is. Please tell me you are joking....

News to me, but at least now I know there's an explanation. The problem is... it's totally lame! Seriously, how can Metru Nui, the prime capital of the Matoran Universe, be the only place in that universe that doesn't have wheel technology? If the rest of the universe does, wouldn't it be logical that after thousands of years it would eventually make its way to the biggest city in Mata Nui's body? Seriously, this is just dumb.

And yes, I mean the explanation, not you, jala12.

Simple. Because Metru Nui has airships, chutes, and other faster ways of transport. Therefore, no need of wheels.

Edited August 11, 2009 by S-N

[The Alchemyst]

Simple. Because Metru Nui has airships, chutes, and other faster ways of transport. Therefore, no need of wheels.

Exactly, and that doesn't mean wheels didn't exist/were discovered before by the Matoran, but instead, they had gone above and beyond it.

Then they regressed after the memory loss and travel to Mata Nui.

And Choppers? Well maybe it didn't fit the fact that Antroz rode it kinda ruins Antroz's look...

"Hey look a motorbike! I, Antroz, the strong-willed, ferocious Makuta, would like to ride this chopper as a sign of evil."

I'd be fine with someone else riding it I guess. Like a bounty Hunter.

Or a Dark Hunter.

That'd be sweet, a Dark Hunter, with a chopper, and some kind of gun, sniping off marked men as he zooms along.

But that's getting more off-topic than we already are. >.>