Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Funnily enough, all those traits apply if you're Scum. And federal agents, my background is so clean you could eat toast off it.
WhiteFang Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 What about the rest of you? Do you believe our Mr Toasterman story? I, for one believe him, because I have risked his life... and this is the only thing which I can do..
MagPiesRUs Posted August 2, 2009 Author Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) The investigator of this town, has contacted me last night, and don't ask me who is it, as I don't want to endanger the life of this person, and this evidence was directed towards Shawn, and as much as I could like to believe Shawn was innocent, but the investigator has searched your house, and I will like him to clarify this point below, -quote- I should point out that you really shouldn't be posting in the game thread something, whether fake or real, that I may have PMed to someone. Please paraphrase it if you do want to post one of my PMs here. Edited August 2, 2009 by TinyPiesRUs
Darth_Legois Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 By all means, join us, Donna! Thank you Artie. And federal agents, my background is so clean you could eat toast off it. hehe. What about the rest of you?Do you believe our Mr Toasterman story? I, for one believe him, because I have risked his life... and this is the only thing which I can do.. Like I said, I dont normally like bandwagons ... Unless its like one of those bandwagon musicals I've done at the theatre. ahh those were the days... err anyway I guess mr.toasters story makes sense...again. Sorry Jerry. Vote: Jerry Buscemi / JimButcher
Quarryman Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Okay, I believe you, at least enough to vote: Jerry Buscemi / JimButcher
WhiteFang Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 I should point out that you really shouldn't be posting in the game thread something, whether fake or real, that I may have PMed to someone. Please paraphrase it if you do want to post one of my PMs here. Dear God, It was a slip off my mind, to incur your wraith. I have done the nececessary redeemptions. Please forgive me. Father Walters
Sandy Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 By gods, it's happening again! The same pattern... Shawn Imperante puts the blame on someone, then that person instantly gets votes from him, Aida Sirna, Donna and Joey Quinn! All of them saying, "I'm convinced", "I believe you" or "I can go with that" etc., when the only evidence is Imperante's word. It's the exact same thing that happened the last two days! Am I really the only one who sees this? I'm sorry, Mr. Imperante, but your sob-story about your childhood and FBI just doesn't cut it for me. The information that Father Walters received is not something that can be faked, whilst your story is just that. Vote: Shawn Imperante/ImperialShadows This might turn the foursome's votes against me, but I will gladly sacrifice myself to reveal the truth about them to the Town. I am innocent, but if I'm lynched by the end of the day, so be it. At least it proves the whole Town has been played by Imperante and the rest of the Scum.
Alice Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 By gods, it's happening again! The same pattern... Shawn Imperante puts the blame on someone, then that person instantly gets votes from him, Aida Sirna, Donna and Joey Quinn! All of them saying, "I'm convinced", "I believe you" or "I can go with that" etc., when the only evidence is Imperante's word. It's the exact same thing that happened the last two days! Am I really the only one who sees this? I'm sorry, Mr. Imperante, but your sob-story about your childhood and FBI just doesn't cut it for me. The information that Father Walters received is not something that can be faked, whilst your story is just that. Vote: Shawn Imperante/ImperialShadows This might turn the foursome's votes against me, but I will gladly sacrifice myself to reveal the truth about them to the Town. I am innocent, but if I'm lynched by the end of the day, so be it. At least it proves the whole Town has been played by Imperante and the rest of the Scum. If Jerry is innocent, I'll vote for Shawn. The thing about this is, when you go against the vote, you make it more difficult to get a majority and you split us. This makes you look really guilty. Shawn may be scum, but he has as much proof that he is loyal as you do. He has as much proof as I do. Which is very little. I can tell you I'm an innocent townsperson but I really have nothing to show you to prove it. I don't really trust anyone.
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 The same pattern... Shawn Imperante puts the blame on someone, then that person instantly gets votes from him, Aida Sirna, Donna and Joey Quinn! All of them saying, "I'm convinced", "I believe you" or "I can go with that" etc., when the only evidence is Imperante's word. And Father Walters. Why overlook him? It's the exact same thing that happened the last two days! Am I really the only one who sees this? I'm asking for one shot at this, then my life is forfeited if I'm wrong. What have I got to gain by that, unless I'm telling the truth? As for evidence being true or not, let me show you an example of why it's not quite so simple. Hey guys, I just found this letter, let me read it to you: "Our plan is working perfectly. We've killed that pesky doctor and now I'm going to try to get them to kill that fed do-gooder Imperante tomorrow. All I have to do is turn over some fake evidence and they'll believe me. I'm going to plant a letter and some cash, that should do the trick. Signed, Artie." Is that real? Oh my, you must be scum. I KNEW IT!
Sandy Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 And Father Walters. Why overlook him?I'm asking for one shot at this, then my life is forfeited if I'm wrong. What have I got to gain by that, unless I'm telling the truth? Father Walters hasn't vote before this. I counted the votes from each day - something I would not have bothered to do if I was Scum - and there's a pattern I see. It's you, Aida, Donna and Quinn who have voted for the same people third day in a row, and all in one row. I may be a drunkard fool, but I have eyes and ears. You are asking your third shot, buddy, not one. Two shots have already caused innocent people to die, and now you're after Jerry. He might just as well be Scum, too, sacrificed so you can "prove" your innocence. I doubt he'd go along with that plan, though. One can make up all kinds of theories. There's just one thing that bothers me about what Father Walters revealed. The letter... It did not explicably say that you have killed someone, yet it talked about meeting some Avinte or Avante, which to me sounds like a name for a place. Yet, I haven't heard such a place being talked about during all this time. Could Father Walters or whoever is feeding him that information really make something like that letter up? But again, you are twisting my words and using them against me. You've done it every day to someone, and that alone convinced that you are Scum, like I said in the beginning of this day. Whatever has come up after that has only convinced me more. Aida and the others, I really have no idea whether you are Scum or not, but I'm singling you out based on the voting patterns and your comments alone. Please don't hold that against me.
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 You are asking your third shot, buddy, not one. Two shots have already caused innocent people to die, and now you're after Jerry. I know you don't agree with our methods, but experience dictates that you either vote or you sit while they kill you. Yes, I've voted in both previous days, I always vote, but I didn't instigate the first one (who we both voted for) and was asked by someone to suggest who I suspected for the second. I listed a number of people and ended up choosing the one that I thought had the most potential based on their accusation of the doctor, who was loyal. If being wrong is a crime, I guess I'm guilty, but I'll damn sure not be guilty of just sitting by while the scum takes over. So yeah, I'm asking for a shot here. The information that I have shared was given to at least two other people prior to this whole discussion, right after I discovered it. I stake my life on it. There's just one thing that bothers me about what Father Walters revealed. The letter... It did not explicably say that you have killed someone, yet it talked about meeting some Avinte or Avante, which to me sounds like a name for a place. I have a standard issue revolver, not a machine gun or a hatchet. The letter, based on what I discovered, indicates that one of our loyal citizens has been turned and met with someone at the Aventine (yes, I received a copy of it as well, when it was discovered, and no, I don't know what that name refers to, probably a hotel or something). As this letter was in the trash of the Buscemi home, it's clear who it was addressed to. Yet, I haven't heard such a place being talked about during all this time. Could Father Walters or whoever is feeding him that information really make something like that letter up? It isn't made up, it just doesn't mean what you want to read into it. I can understand that, but I refuse to let it kill me by being quiet about it, even though speaking up puts me in danger. But again, you are twisting my words and using them against me. You've done it every day to someone You're lying. I've asked you to provide us with evidence to use in our investigation. Instead, I've been forced to reveal something very dangerous to me, and you refuse to act on it. You don't want to vote, you don't want evidence, you just want to sit and do nothing or accuse me based on misinterpreted information from an unknown source who hasn't got the integrity to defend it themselves. I stand by my information, face to face, my own safety be damned.
WhiteFang Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 And Father Walters. Why overlook him? I don't overlook anyone, but judging from the info that I have, I personally feel that this is something urgent to attend. Father Walters hasn't vote before this. I counted the votes from each day - something I would not have bothered to do if I was Scum - and there's a pattern I see. It's you, Aida, Donna and Quinn who have voted for the same people third day in a row, and all in one row. I may be a drunkard fool, but I have eyes and ears. Voting patterns is indeed one of the methods to discover their possible alignment, and in most day votes, some of the theories are based on that, so you are not wrong on this either. You are asking your third shot, buddy, not one. Two shots have already caused innocent people to die, and now you're after Jerry. He might just as well be Scum, too, sacrificed so you can "prove" your innocence. I doubt he'd go along with that plan, though. One can make up all kinds of theories. Atrie, calm down please. Your logic stands, and I believe there is soem truth to it as well. Sometimes, we can be clueless, but we are not foolish enough. It's possible to come up with any theories in any case, but right now, we have a theory at hand. There is a probabilty though, but I am sure there is a very high chance that Jim is indeed the rat as well and Shawn could have used him as the convenient meat shield, but this is something we should prove, but bear in mind, that another probabilty like this could also happen.
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 There is a probabilty though, but I am sure there is a very high chance that Jim is indeed the rat as well and Shawn could have used him as the convenient meat shield, but this is something we should prove, but bear in mind, that another probabilty like this could also happen. Except I had already revealed this information to two people whom I believe are loyal townies, long before my cover was blown. At the beginning of the day, I also mentioned that I knew something that I wasn't certain how to reveal. Well, it ended up revealed, didn't it! I did learn something last night, but I'm uncertain how to use it safely. I think I know who one of the scum is. Oh look, yes I did.
Sandy Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 You don't want to vote, you don't want evidence, you just want to sit and do nothing or accuse me based on misinterpreted information from an unknown source who hasn't got the integrity to defend it themselves. Haha, of course the source won't reveal themselves - the Scum would kill them the next night if they did so! That's basic knowledge in this game... of life. I urge the investigator to lay low by all means. I'm brave/stupid enough to speak my mind though, since I have nothing to hide. The Scum can kill me all they want, but then the Town will find out I was speaking the truth the whole time, and that will begin the downfall of the Scum. My problem with you, Shawn, is that I don't trust you. I only have your word for the FBI stuff, and your word means nothing to me at this moment. I really don't know if Jerry Buscerni is innocent or not, but either way, I can't let him be voted off. If he's innocent, you can just brush it off by saying "whoops, I made another mistake, crap happens", and if he's Scum, you can use that to turn against me by saying "you didn't want to kill him, you were collaborating with him, ha!". So my vote still stands, even if it means I'm gone the next night. Cheers to that! *takes a long sip from his beer pint*
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 I really don't know if Jerry Buscerni is innocent or not, but either way, I can't let him be voted off. You don't control this town, so I don't know how you propose to 'let' anyone be voted off or not. No single one of us has that power. Only as a group can we stop the scum. If he's innocent, you can just brush it off by saying "whoops, I made another mistake, crap happens" Too much beer so early in the day? Let me repeat for the town drunk. IF I AM WRONG, I DIE TOMORROW. I'll cast the first vote myself and I'll expect everyone else to follow. Hell, let's make it even better. I know who the town vigilante is, which tends to also speak to my innocence, since scum would simply have them killed, but they aren't dead, are they? Whatever the case, if I am wrong, I want them to kill me during the night. Then you won't even have to dirty your hands with it tomorrow. and if he's Scum, you can use that to turn against me by saying "you didn't want to kill him, you were collaborating with him, ha!" I just don't think you understand the 'evidence' presented, so you're voting foolishly. I'm not taking it as a sign of complicity. Should I be?
Zapper Brick Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Oh my, it does look as if Toasterman and Mr. Sanders are fighting! I agree with you, Artie, Shawn is a lier, he has pushed the voting for two people already, both innocent, and gave extreme fuel for his voting before he voted.
WhiteFang Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 I'm brave/stupid enough to speak my mind though, since I have nothing to hide. The Scum can kill me all they want, but then the Town will find out I was speaking the truth the whole time, and that will begin the downfall of the Scum. Atrie, you are a brave man, by standing up, and speak up your honest thoughts, and the Father appericate that very much. You are a honest man, and I know you are, but shouldn't we see things together objectively, by considering all angles from the story. I have considered your words too, with very careful thoughts and there is some truth in your statement too, but we are in this together. Doing it in an united manner, will give us a better position to manage it together. I am not asking all of us to clean our theories out of our minds, towards Shawn's story, but even if he cleans up the act by using Jerry, we will discover the results later. Let me repeat for the town drunk. IF I AM WRONG, I DIE TOMORROW. I'll cast the first vote myself and I'll expect everyone else to follow. Not to worry, if you have placed your line on the front line, I am very sure that Jerry is a scum, and of course, if you are wrong, you are offered onto the sacrifical altar by using traditional practices. But, even you get it right, there is a probabilty mentioned by Atrie, that you are using him as meatshield, which is likely as well. I am exploring from different angles, and I am not going to be bias against both you and Atrie about this matter.
Stash2Sixx Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Vote Jerry Buscemi / Jim Butcher! Through work behind the scenes and a bit of investigating from others, this is the information I have.
Sandy Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 You don't control this town, so I don't know how you propose to 'let' anyone be voted off or not. Thank you for twisting my words again to prove my point. Cheers! *takes another long sip from his beer*
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Thank you for twisting my words again to prove my point. Cheers! Thank you for lying again to prove mine. Here is exactly what you said. My comment was both accurate and in context. I really don't know if Jerry Buscerni is innocent or not, but either way, I can't let him be voted off. Don't blame me for not understanding how your ego thinks it can let anyone do or not do anything. Oh my, it does look as if Toasterman and Mr. Sanders are fighting!I agree with you, Artie, Shawn is a lier, he has pushed the voting for two people already, both innocent, and gave extreme fuel for his voting before he voted. What help have you provided the town during this situation? Oh, that's right, none. One might wonder how much help you've been to the scum.
Zapper Brick Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 What help have you provided the town during this situation? Oh, that's right, none. One might wonder how much help you've been to the scum. And how much help have you been? Oh, yeah, none. Give some solid, good evidence why we should belive you, you've been wrong every time. And I seem to remeber that you have had some sort of past life as a manipulatory person, a contruction guy who was a chef or something like that.
Sandy Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 Haha, I said I can't let Jerry be voted off. I can only affect my own actions, thus I'm not voting for him. There's nothing unclear about that, Mr. Passive-Aggressive. What help have you provided the town during this situation? Oh, that's right, none. One might wonder how much help you've been to the scum. So quick to point fingers and place the blame. Beware, Zita, tomorrow Shawn will suddenly find evidence against you, and Mr. Quinn will say "I can go with that". It's the pattern, people, the pattern...
Shadows Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 And how much help have you been? Oh, yeah, none. Give some solid, good evidence why we should belive you, 1. I've got the proof, both in the form of a letter and marked bills from a bank robbery. That information is enough to convince anyone reasonable that Jerry Buscemi is the boss. 2. I've put my life on the line every night trying to gather this information, and now that I have it, you want to ignore it? 3. I've revealed that information at great personal risk (though I had a much better way of dealing with it before it was foolishly let out in the open). 4. I'm putting my life on the line, not you. You're getting your nails done. 5. How about the Chief of Police, as seen here: Vote Jerry Buscemi / Jim Butcher!Through work behind the scenes and a bit of investigating from others, this is the information I have. you've been wrong every time. I've voted twice. Both times there was a lot of support for the vote and they were clearly suspicious, yet you want to play the same game as Stephen did when he singled out the good doctor? Learn from the past mistakes of others, dear, or you're doomed to repeat them. It was that mistake that cost him his life, and even then he said he didn't regret it. That's not the kind of responsible citizen we need, that's dangerous. And I seem to remeber that you have had some sort of past life as a manipulatory person, a contruction guy who was a chef or something like that. Past life? If you believe in that kind of thing, anyone with experience would be likely to have had some past lives that fell on both sides of the law. I am well aware of who you mean, however, and it's true, he killed off the mobsters. Two different times. He also discovered that the voice in the sky was a lunatic and misleading us, thus saving a town from destruction at it's own hands. That's what we call a proven track record.
Millacol88 Posted August 2, 2009 Posted August 2, 2009 The voting patterns presented by Sanders are tantalizing. But that's all they are, voting patterns. As of now, Shawn has presented a completely plausible story backed up by our Father and the chief of police. Sanders, let me reiterate that Shawn has nothing to gain by swaying our vote towards a townie. If Jerry is loyal, Shawn dies tonight or is lynched tomorrow, bright and early. He wouldn't have told us his story if Jerry was on the town. He would be painting a target on his back when he had no reason too. I'm not saying I'm sure, but this is the best evidence we've got so far in this game...of life. Vote: JimButcher/Jerry Buscemi If you are misleading us Shawn, you are dooming yourself and singling out those who are quick to vote for you (Aida, Donna, Quinn, etc.) If you are right then I highly suspect that Sanders is scum.
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