City 2010

[peterab]

Oh so the TRU Exclusive is the Truck Stop, damn , how could such a thing happen?

This is a terrible upset, how could the 2 favorites,City Square and Transportation Center, lose to something we considered not even an option?

I bet TLC didn't even take the poll into account and just picked whatever choice they felt like making. A major reason for not getting the Transportation one was because we have now seen about everything it comes with, the bus, trains and taxi. The city square had the redone City Corner Pizza shop. The toy shop you could say was made into the Winter Toy shop.

Therefore I don't think the poll really mattered, as it contained many ideas for sets that exist.

I think you are forgeting that this poll wasn't only aimed at AFOL's and we are a very small percentage of all Lego fans. Since this is a TRU exclusive it would be rather odd for them not to aim it at their target market which is kids. I'd imagine they also aim the poll at kids, so I'm not surprised the AFOL logical choices got overlooked.

[Matt Dawson]

I think you are forgeting that this poll wasn't only aimed at AFOL's and we are a very small percentage of all Lego fans. Since this is a TRU exclusive it would be rather odd for them not to aim it at their target market which is kids. I'd imagine they also aim the poll at kids, so I'm not surprised the AFOL logical choices got overlooked.

*AHEM*

The poll was mainly aimed at AFOLS - the description certainly indicated that way. However, like the UK Labour government, when has public opinion mattered?

[Alywin]

If the fans choice is cheaper than the police station then I would say it would be a modern redesign of this.......

......maybe ?

And probably even without any road plates included...

[Derek]

*AHEM*

The poll was mainly aimed at AFOLS - the description certainly indicated that way. However, like the UK Labour government, when has public opinion mattered?

*AHEM*

Wasn't the poll on Toys r Us.com and had colorful pictures along with the options? From what I remember it seemed to be aimed at kids... I think that will be reflected in the set we get...

-darthperson

Edited January 6, 2010 by darthperson

[wooootles]

And probably even without any road plates included...

Well, we're lucky if we get 3 8x16's

That's something LEGO needs to start doing again, especially since roadplates are more expensive now....putting more 32x32's in big sets.

[peterab]

*AHEM*

The poll was mainly aimed at AFOLS - the description certainly indicated that way. However, like the UK Labour government, when has public opinion mattered?

Could you show a link to that, as far as I remember it it was aimed at fans of Lego, and kids are the biggest group when all fans are included. It was linked via the main TRU website and I think also the main S@H website. It was fairly broadly distributed if it was intended for an AFOL audience. It was not distributed through the normal channels that TLG use to reach AFOL's; for example the Ambassadore at my LUG was not asked to spread it, unlike the surveys that Lego regularly hold to get AFOL input.

I think this slamming of TLG every time we don't get what we want, hurts the image of AFOL's. There's a few very vocal members here who speculate wildly for months before any real info about a set is known, confuse this speculation with what might actually happen, and then are bitterly disapointed when it turns out they are wrong. They then don't stop and consider if this is because they've been reinforcing their hopes with their unrealistic speculation every few days, and go straight to accusing TLG of being unfair. I'd be happy to leave this happily alone, except this sort of childish behaviour can have consequences for the whole community.

I believe making statements such as the above, that imply TLG dont care about public opinion, when we don't even know what the set looks like, is premature and unfair, and could hurt all AFOL's

[Piranha]

Klaus-Dieter

I snipped out all the rest because this is comment is related to your whole post and not one section

Your ideas are all very good, but I don't like the idea of a car being included or another bus. Sure a bus station would be cool, but could this be similar to the one from City Corner, a larger one would IMO be waste of parts for the set, as they could focus on the Hotel/Motel more or Gas Station or Restaurant. I think maybe 2-3 Trucks, not sure what they carry, one of them could be a small pick up perhaps?

I think this slamming of TLG every time we don't get what we want, hurts the image of AFOL's.

I feel that "Slamming" is a harsh term being used , as no one was using language or "whining" about the Truck Stop

There's a few very vocal members here who speculate wildly for months before any real info about a set is known, confuse this speculation with what might actually happen, and then are bitterly disapointed when it turns out they are wrong.

I don't appreciate this statement, as I feel that you are inferring about me and others perhaps. I speculated that it might be a Monorail, true, is that any different from wishlist topics however? I wouldn't call it "wild" , either as the concept art showed an elevated train.

And I myself was not "bitterly disappointed" because it was a Truck Stop, true I was sad at first, because when compared with the other two this one seemed bleak, but now after possible set inclusions I have widened out, appreicating that we are getting a new set and am starting to like the sound of the set.

They then don't stop and consider if this is because they've been reinforcing their hopes with their unrealistic speculation every few days, and go straight to accusing TLG of being unfair. I'd be happy to leave this happily alone, except this sort of childish behaviour can have consequences for the whole community.

Now this is really out of control , inferring that myself and other members are childish. I have not read or posted anything that could be interrupted as whining. Unrealistic speculation? All my speculation was derived directly from the concept art. That was TLGs artwork, not my own drawings. I never accused TLG of being unfair, if really the Truck Stop did win and TLG did base their choice on it, then that is fine with me, yes it seemed bleak compared with the other 2 but like I said, I still like it.

I believe making statements such as the above, that imply TLG dont care about public opinion, when we don't even know what the set looks like, is premature and unfair, and could hurt all AFOL's

You are slightly, but misguidedly correct here, as I did post a comment that could imply that TLG disregarded public opinion. That has nothing to do with however what the set looks like as a final product.

I know that you didn't mention my username or others, but I don't like what your comments inferred.

[5150 Lego]

Oh so the TRU Exclusive is the Truck Stop, damn , how could such a thing happen?

This is a terrible upset, how could the 2 favorites,City Square and Transportation Center, lose to something we considered not even an option?

I bet TLC didn't even take the poll into account and just picked whatever choice they felt like making.

Therefore I don't think the poll really mattered, as it contained many ideas for sets that exist.

I fear you are right!

The only thing I do really not understand is following: Why does TLG release a set mainly addressing JFOLs as an Exclusive?! A truck stop is mainly interesting for kids - so why not releasing the truck stop as a regular not that big set and the City House as a bigger exclusive set?!

Sigh... I don't understand why it so difficult to understand that these sets rare made for kids, and not AFOL. Whats kids want- have, and always will decide what sets TLC design. Yes, once in a while we get USC sets or CC or fire Brigade type sets, but when TLC takes a poll for an upcoming set from a website for a toy store-IE- toysrus then one should expect that set to be aimed at kids.

Now again about the contents of the Truck Stop:

So you think we might get following?

-truck for transporting wood

-overland bus

-small civilian car (but not a Smart)

-2x2 gas pumps with roof above them

-small shop with counter

-fast food restaurant

-6-8 minifigs

A car transporter is imo totally excluded. Do only think about how big it would have to be, how many bricks it would include. Plus an empty car transporter doesn't look good and even doesn't make much sense. So even minimum two more cars are needed to set on the car transporter. That would mean that the price for the car transporter would already be minimum half of the final price.

Again about a hotel/motel:

If TLG doesn't include one, this set would surely loose a lot of popularity.

A compromise would be to have only one guest room on the second floor of the small shop or the restaurant since this wouldn't require a whole separate house.

Klaus-Dieter

I think these are great ideas. Although i doubt we'll be getting a motel of any type. Truck stops generally don't have motels since most truckers stay in their trucks. I expect to see a Diner, gas station of course, an overhead covered area for trucks at rest, and possibly a little shop and even a repair bay.

As for trucks,

-Flat bed

-Small tanker truck

-box trailer

-civilian car/SUV with family

-truck without a trailer

*AHEM*

The poll was mainly aimed at AFOLS - the description certainly indicated that way. However, like the UK Labor government, when has public opinion mattered?

No it wasn't. It was simply liked to this website but was hosted on TRU main website.

People really need to stop pouting and complain that TLC isn't paying attention to them when they realize a set that isn't to there liking. We don't represent the whole of the Lego community. Having said that, i do believe that TLC does listen and cater to AFOL. This is why we have USC sets, as well as modular sets such as Café Corner, Green Grocer, and Fire Brigade. These sets all have higher detail and more advanced building techniques than your average city sets.

[The Green Brick Giant]

I'll make this simple for everyone.

Children like trucks.

Wow! Shocking!

[bright22]

If that's new version of Truck shop, I should be really "happy". I have 6393. I don't need to spend money to buy that set and may buy something else this year.

[MAH4546]

I'll make this simple for everyone.

Children like trucks.

Wow! Shocking!

Children like trucks. Children love trains.

I'm not convinced the truck stop won. If the set is $160, then I bet it includes rails and a battery pack.

A $160 truck stop? Seriously? I don't buy it (though, I will of course, buy the set).

Edited January 7, 2010 by MAH4546

[wooootles]

People really need to stop pouting and complain that TLC isn't paying attention to them when they realize a set that isn't to there liking. We don't represent the whole of the Lego community. Having said that, i do believe that TLC does listen and cater to AFOL. This is why we have USC sets, as well as modular sets such as Café Corner, Green Grocer, and Fire Brigade. These sets all have higher detail and more advanced building techniques than your average city sets

LEGO has been much much nicer to AFOLs these past 3 years than they have since... ever, giving us these modular sets. But alas, some people just want everything catered to them and proclaim NEEDS MOAR CIVEELIANZ in the city line even though the modulars and CREATOR houses are... just that.

I'm not convinced the truck stop won. If the set is $160, then I bet it includes rails and a battery pack.

I'm almost convinced that Train won't be it, seeing that we have 2 new Train sets coming this set. In that, a monorail shuttle may even be less likely. We can forget the City Square.

I find myself almost rooting for the Truck Stop, whereas it was even between the choices for me when I first stumbled upon the poll. Gas pumps, diners, big trucks, shop, a motel even, with the hinted enormous price tag I hope it includes most of those. One thing I'm sure of is that it would be a minifig sausagefest. Ah well.

Edited January 7, 2010 by wooootles

[The Cobra]

According to an Italian online store, prices for summer upcoming sets will be:

3181 Aereo passeggeri = 34.99 (Passenger plane)

3182 Aeroporto = 89.99 (Airport)

3221 Autocarro = 29.99 (Big yellow truck)

7684 Trattore con rimorchio e maialini = 29.99 (Lime tractor and piggies)

[MAH4546]

According to an Italian online store, prices for summer sets will be:

3181 Aereo passeggeri = 34.99 (Passenger plane)

3182 Aeroporto = 89.99 (Airport)

3221 Autocarro = 29.99 (Big yellow truck)

7684 Trattore con rimorchio e maialini = 29.99 (Lime tractor and piggies)

To note, sans the 3221, these are not summer sets. They should be showing up in stores shortly and are already on LEGO.com's "City" web page.

Edited January 7, 2010 by MAH4546

[Rick]

To note, sans the 3221, these are not summer sets. They should be showing up in stores shortly and are already on LEGO.com's "City" web page.

I believe they're for release somewhere in between, i.e., Spring.

Shows again that it's nice to have an international AFOL forum, so that all the native speakers can bring news to EB immediately and properly translated and interpreted!

[peterab]

I feel that "Slamming" is a harsh term being used , as no one was using language or "whining" about the Truck Stop

No but TLG was compared to politicians which as much as accuses them of being dishonest, since thats the public percetion of politicians. Your own comment wasn't as bad bad was still inappropriate given we don't know the results of the poll, or even that TLG rather than TRU (who hosted the poll) made the decision.

I don't appreciate this statement, as I feel that you are inferring about me and others perhaps. I speculated that it might be a Monorail, true, is that any different from wishlist topics however? I wouldn't call it "wild" , either as the concept art showed an elevated train.

I wasn't actually thinking of you, and I don't have a problem with wild speculation even, unless it morph's into expectation. The monorail speculation was fair enough given the art work, but given we know that trains are considered slow sellers by TLG, and that they have in the past ruled out any new monorails, I personally wasn't going to get all excited by it untill I saw it advertised for sale.

And I myself was not "bitterly disappointed" because it was a Truck Stop, true I was sad at first, because when compared with the other two this one seemed bleak, but now after possible set inclusions I have widened out, appreicating that we are getting a new set and am starting to like the sound of the set.

.

Now this is really out of control , inferring that myself and other members are childish. I have not read or posted anything that could be interrupted as whining. Unrealistic speculation? All my speculation was derived directly from the concept art. That was TLGs artwork, not my own drawings. I never accused TLG of being unfair, if really the Truck Stop did win and TLG did base their choice on it, then that is fine with me, yes it seemed bleak compared with the other 2 but like I said, I still like it.

You are slightly, but misguidedly correct here, as I did post a comment that could imply that TLG disregarded public opinion. That has nothing to do with however what the set looks like as a final product.

I know that you didn't mention my username or others, but I don't like what your comments inferred.

I'm sorry I've offended you, as I said I wasn't thinking of you in particular. I deliberately didn't list usernames because I'm not intending to be antagonistic. I also didn't accuse anyone of whining.

At the risk of hitting a touchy subject since we are adults on a forum about childrens toys, what I considered childish is the inability to seperate wishful thinking and fact. I think it's great to speculate about a truck stop worth US$160 with a service station, a restaurant, a long range bus terminus, a double decker car carrier, and a three story hotel (not motel) and a waterslide (in order of what I perceive to be likely). However I don't expect anything at this stage, and in fact wonder if the price is likely to be anywhere near accurate. It's coming from a South African web site, I have no idea if their economy is volitile, but wouldn't be surprised if it were. It seems that if you look at the price comparisson with the modular firestation which is US$149, it could be argued that this will be a US$80 dollar set.

If we accuse TLG of disregarding public opinion, without knowing if it was TLG's decision, what the results of the poll were, or if the set meets the results (hence it is important what the set looks like) we are getting carried away.

Edited January 7, 2010 by peterab

[Matt Dawson]

If we accuse TLG of disregarding public opinion, without knowing if it was TLG's decision, what the results of the poll were, or if the set meets the results (hence it is important what the set looks like) we are getting carried away.

Erm...hate to put an iceburg in front of your Titanic but Lego really only makes a decent profit on the larger sets which ADULTS can buy/afford. Kids can moan all they want, but it's adults that hold the purchase power (and control Kids purchase power through pocket money)

And from earlier - No, I don't have a link to the poll. But if we DO consider the intended audience of 6-12 which is on most lego sets, surely that prohibits most KFOLs from actually doing the poll seeing as they aren't allowed on lego discussion sites?

And how many times have you actually gone on Lego site apart from to order or check prices?

[5150 Lego]

Erm...hate to put an iceburg in front of your Titanic but Lego really only makes a decent profit on the larger sets which ADULTS can buy/afford. Kids can moan all they want, but it's adults that hold the purchase power (and control Kids purchase power through pocket money)

So by your logic, everything that is expensive is aimed at adults, and cheap stuff is aimed at kids? So i guess since bikes are expensive, they also must be aimed at adults. As well as children's furniture.

Because adults have the money to buy their kids toys does not mean the set or any for that matter were aimed at them (adults). Parents have always bought toys for their kids. And yes, some will buy there kids the expensive sets as well. Thats how its always worked.

And from earlier - No, I don't have a link to the poll. But if we DO consider the intended audience of 6-12 which is on most Lego sets, surely that prohibits most KFOLs from actually doing the poll seeing as they aren't allowed on Lego discussion sites?

And how many times have you actually gone on Lego site apart from to order or check prices?

I suggest you look at the "what age are you again?" thread in the community section. You'd be surprised just how many yr olds are on this site. Besides that, its not uncommon for yr or younger to be surfing the web.

Edited January 7, 2010 by 5150 Lego

[Matt Dawson]

So by your logic, everything that is expensive is aimed at adults, and cheap stuff is aimed at kids? So i guess since bikes are expensive, they also must be aimed at adults. As well as children's furniture.

Because adults have the money to buy their kids toys does not mean the set or any for that matter were aimed at them (adults). Parents have always bought toys for their kids. And yes, some will buy there kids the expensive sets as well. Thats how its always worked.

I suggest you look at the "what age are you again?" thread in the community section. You'd be surprised just how many yr olds are on this site. Besides that, its not uncommon for yr or younger to be surfing the web.

Not by my Logic at all. I simply stated that everything a kid buys or has bought for them is done so or controlled by an Adult - whatever it's purpose or cost, and however many people are in the chain.

And by age (apart from the fact that the thread doesn't show up), may I remind you that although a kid may browse any site, this site, as will most discussion sites, have an minimum age limit & forum capabilities reduced to guests - so technically, all members should be aged 18+ on Eurobricks...if you are not 18+ then you (not 5150 Lego specifically), technically, have comitted an offence as the rules/Regs state you must be 18+.

My apologies to anyone offended by my comments. Facts are facts.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Matt Dawson

[Rick]

And by age (apart from the fact that the thread doesn't show up), may I remind you that although a kid may browse any site, this site, as will most discussion sites, have an minimum age limit & forum capabilities reduced to guests - so technically, all members should be aged 18+ on Eurobricks...if you are not 18+ then you (not 5150 Lego specifically), technically, have comitted an offence as the rules/Regs state you must be 18+.

For reference and to prevent a continued discussion on this issue here, there's a thread on the issue of Eurobrick's target age group.

[wooootles]

Not by my Logic at all. I simply stated that everything a kid buys or has bought for them is done so or controlled by an Adult - whatever it's purpose or cost, and however many people are in the chain.

And that means... what, to us? That therefore AFOLs should get every $100+ LEGO set catered to them? Or really, EVERY LEGO SET catered to them? (Because, I remember the massive QQ about the new Fire sets)

I can't believe grown men here is aghast at the fact that an invisible TOYS'R US Exclusive doesn't cater to their needs, it's like I really need to double check what the "A" stands for in AFOL

[Derek]

I can't believe grown men here is aghast at the fact that an invisible TOYS'R US Exclusive doesn't cater to their needs, it's like I really need to double check what the "A" stands for in AFOL

Haha! I think that just made my life.

But really, you hit the nail on the head. I feel like more and more often lately we forget Lego was created, is manufactured and is sold as a children's toy.

What I find is hilarious is that this truck stop nonsense is merely SPECULATION and everyone is up in arms and ready to boycott Lego (ok maybe that's an exaggeration, but still).

If Lego designers (as well as TRU marketing executives) they must be out of their MINDS if they make a $160 TRUCK STOP Lego set. What kid would want that? And if you are an adult and don't want it, you don't have to buy it, do you?

I don't know, but I think that it would be best if we just took a deep breath and stepped back

-darthperson

[lightningtiger]

I don't see the last 5 or 6 posts have anything to do with 'City 2010' ?

Back on topic - we start with an airport, moving on to road transport, then on to rail transport, could we see the return of harbour gear again or another cargo plane, it would make sense as we are seeing mulitiple modes of transport here ?

The city 'house' I wonder if it will be single or double storey, will have a bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, etc., ?

[Mission Commander]

The $160 set could be the city square. As a large set i think it would make sense. Just my 2cents

[lightningtiger]

What would go in to a city square set that would interest the average TRU shopper ?

Either public transport or truck stop would be more of an interest, since there are 2 trains and 2 accessory sets comming, then back up for the tanker and yellow Lego truck like say a truck stop would be logical.

Everyone, we all have our own opinions on this TRU thing, sadly we still must wait until sometime in Feburary to find out the truth.