Bionicle-2010?

[Bfahome]

I don't see the problem. I mean, in the 2008 animations he stood up, yes? He didn't tip it out of its orbit then...

And in 2004 he came crashing down on the planet, and that neither sent it out of orbit nor split it in half.

[Cap'n Kopaka]

I find it that in children's sci-fi it's best not to question physics :P

~ck

[Front]

As Bionicle is ending, all the prototype sets will be shown at Lego World in Copenhagen. That is, all the canister sets that made it to production and market. So they actually look very much like the final sets, but if you look close, some of the parts are not moulded, but rapid prototyped.

All the crazy prototypes, that tried out ideas etc. will not be shown, but I will try and make a deal some time in the future, allowing me to photograph those crazy prototypes, and show them to you guys.

[Nightmare]

As Bionicle is ending, all the prototype sets will be shown at Lego World in Copenhagen. That is, all the canister sets that made it to production and market. So they actually look very much like the final sets, but if you look close, some of the parts are not moulded, but rapid prototyped.

All the crazy prototypes, that tried out ideas etc. will not be shown, but I will try and make a deal some time in the future, allowing me to photograph those crazy prototypes, and show them to you guys.

Thanks for the info and the interest, Front. :) Hope to see some pics of those protoypes (the ones shown, even though it will have to be through pics, most likely. BTW, those would be like the ones shown at Toy Fair, right?) and the other ones, like the Visorak shown in B2 extra features. Thanks again, really, it's kind of you ^__^

[---Vertea---]

That is excellent news! Thank you for making the inquiry, Front :)

I really cannot wait to see the prototypes!

[God Iron]

As Bionicle is ending, all the prototype sets will be shown at Lego World in Copenhagen. That is, all the canister sets that made it to production and market. So they actually look very much like the final sets, but if you look close, some of the parts are not moulded, but rapid prototyped.

All the crazy prototypes, that tried out ideas etc. will not be shown, but I will try and make a deal some time in the future, allowing me to photograph those crazy prototypes, and show them to you guys.

Thanks dude. You're the best!

In other news, the Stars are incredibly rare in the UK!

Most of the usual suspects aren't stocking them and ToyRUs are only selling Gresh and Nekktan through stores. Argos wins out for having them all, but the problem with Argos is that it is a lucky dip which ones they will have.

[Front]

That is excellent news! Thank you for making the inquiry, Front :)

I really cannot wait to see the prototypes!

Don't get your hopes too hyped up, but I will ask some of the designers and the Bionicle, cough cough Hero Factory project manager.

As for the display at Lego World in Copenhagen, I will surely photograph those sets and post pictures.

[-Tilius-]

Thanks dude. You're the best!

In other news, the Stars are incredibly rare in the UK!

Most of the usual suspects aren't stocking them and ToyRUs are only selling Gresh and Nekktan through stores. Argos wins out for having them all, but the problem with Argos is that it is a lucky dip which ones they will have.

What makes you think TRU are only selling two of them, bearing in mind that they're shipped to stores in packs which contain all six variations?

And in Argos, just customer view the item to choose which set you want. They might not have them all, but that's just the same as going to a store where they don't have them all on the shelf. Plus, with the new catalogue just being released, Argos just send out sets randomly to ensure that every store has at least one on release day.

- Tilius

[God Iron]

What makes you think TRU are only selling two of them, bearing in mind that they're shipped to stores in packs which contain all six variations?

And in Argos, just customer view the item to choose which set you want. They might not have them all, but that's just the same as going to a store where they don't have them all on the shelf. Plus, with the new catalogue just being released, Argos just send out sets randomly to ensure that every store has at least one on release day.

- Tilius

It does seem unlikely yes, but when I went to TRU to today they only had those two (And only tags for those two.) I asked a guy there and he said they were the only two they were getting. While its not so good with the Collect All 6 promotion, considering Gresh and the Piraka are universally loved by the stupid kiddies, makes some sense.

[Artahn]

Front, do yourself a favor and only show the terrible prototypes; if they look any better than what we're getting, this place is going to turn to ashes from all of the hate-flame.

One question though: were the Hero Factory sets going to be sold alongside the Bionicle line, or were they just a last second addition?

[-Tilius-]

It does seem unlikely yes, but when I went to TRU to today they only had those two (And only tags for those two.) I asked a guy there and he said they were the only two they were getting. While its not so good with the Collect All 6 promotion, considering Gresh and the Piraka are universally loved by the stupid kiddies, makes some sense.

Seems really unlikely that every TRU store will only be getting those two. I expect the guy didn't know what he was on about, or he was only talking about that particular store.

- Tilius

[Aanchir]

Front, do yourself a favor and only show the terrible prototypes; if they look any better than what we're getting, this place is going to turn to ashes from all of the hate-flame.

If this were BZP, he couldn't even get away with showing the terrible ones. I'm disgusted with how many people thought this would have made a better Chirox than the set.

Thankfully, we can count on people here to be more reasonable. I hope.

[CabooseBM]

If this were BZP, he couldn't even get away with showing the terrible ones. I'm disgusted with how many people thought this would have made a better Chirox than the set.

Thankfully, we can count on people here to be more reasonable. I hope.

Chirox's design didn't work for his character, at all, how the heck do you hold scientific equipment with two fingers?

Though I can't say this one is better as Chirox, persay, but he'd be cooler looking set, and he has a pretty imaginative torso, which Chirox lacked.

[Brickthing]

As Bionicle is ending, all the prototype sets will be shown at Lego World in Copenhagen. That is, all the canister sets that made it to production and market. So they actually look very much like the final sets, but if you look close, some of the parts are not moulded, but rapid prototyped.

All the crazy prototypes, that tried out ideas etc. will not be shown, but I will try and make a deal some time in the future, allowing me to photograph those crazy prototypes, and show them to you guys.

Will the prototypes still be on display around the middle of April, when the Eurobricks Event will be on?

Out of interest, do you know how many final prototypes there usually are for each set? Several early prototypes (some Toa Mata and all 6 Bohrok) have come into the hands of fans, so I imagine that Lego World's display would be fragmented if those were the only prototypes for those sets were unavailable.

It's the weirder prototypes that are always the most fascinating, especially the ones with elements glued together from pre-existing elements. I do hope you'll be able to take some photos of them!

[Aanchir]

Chirox's design didn't work for his character, at all, how the heck do you hold scientific equipment with two fingers?

Though I can't say this one is better as Chirox, persay, but he'd be cooler looking set, and he has a pretty imaginative torso, which Chirox lacked.

Those were fingers? I always thought they were weapons... are you sure you're not thinking of Krika? Or Vamprah? Besides, that's not his permanent form or anything. The bat/insect-like forms were taken just for the sake of being intimidating (Rule of Cool).

Meanwhile, scientists use tongs for all sorts of stuff, so even with two fingers it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

Lastly, the problem with thinking this sort of thing would make a decent set whatsoever is that it's not even supposed to be a decent set. It's like saying that these would be cooler sets than the Toa Mata. It's hard to call a torso of sloppily-fused parts "imaginative", and even assuming that it would be decent in its refined form (a near-impossible thing to predict) it certainly doesn't outdo fleshed-out, innovative, and utilitarian part designs.

[Darkness Falls]

Those were fingers? I always thought they were weapons... are you sure you're not thinking of Krika? Or Vamprah? Besides, that's not his permanent form or anything. The bat/insect-like forms were taken just for the sake of being intimidating (Rule of Cool).

Meanwhile, scientists use tongs for all sorts of stuff, so even with two fingers it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

Lastly, the problem with thinking this sort of thing would make a decent set whatsoever is that it's not even supposed to be a decent set. It's like saying that these would be cooler sets than the Toa Mata. It's hard to call a torso of sloppily-fused parts "imaginative", and even assuming that it would be decent in its refined form (a near-impossible thing to predict) it certainly doesn't outdo fleshed-out, innovative, and utilitarian part designs.

Holy crap, those concept images are awesome. I wish we had gotten them instead.

[vexorian]

It does seem unlikely yes, but when I went to TRU to today they only had those two (And only tags for those two.) I asked a guy there and he said they were the only two they were getting. While its not so good with the Collect All 6 promotion, considering Gresh and the Piraka are universally loved by the stupid kiddies, makes some sense.

You are forgetting the fact that shop guys are utter liars that won't bother saying "I don't know' or "let me check out" when they don't know the answer to what you are asking...

[Sidorak The Hunter]

Front, are you a Lego employee? I haven't been around here for a while and was just wondering.

[-Tilius-]

If this were BZP, he couldn't even get away with showing the terrible ones. I'm disgusted with how many people thought this would have made a better Chirox than the set.

Thankfully, we can count on people here to be more reasonable. I hope.

Actual Chirox sucked, IMO. 'Cause he was basically Antroz. That prototype is far, far better. Much more interesting and original in design.

Don't start talking down to people who disagree with you. It's not 'unreasonable' to prefer that design. I'd say it's logical, to be honest.

- Tilius

[CabooseBM]

Those were fingers? I always thought they were weapons... are you sure you're not thinking of Krika? Or Vamprah? Besides, that's not his permanent form or anything. The bat/insect-like forms were taken just for the sake of being intimidating (Rule of Cool).

Meanwhile, scientists use tongs for all sorts of stuff, so even with two fingers it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

Lastly, the problem with thinking this sort of thing would make a decent set whatsoever is that it's not even supposed to be a decent set. It's like saying that these would be cooler sets than the Toa Mata. It's hard to call a torso of sloppily-fused parts "imaginative", and even assuming that it would be decent in its refined form (a near-impossible thing to predict) it certainly doesn't outdo fleshed-out, innovative, and utilitarian part designs.

I am completely sure I am talking about Chirox, and I think they could have done Chirox the scientist as a bat just as well as they did Antroz the leader and Vamprah the hunter as bats, Chirox just doesn't work as well as the others. Sure, the Makuta can shapeshift into anything, but that's a poor reason to not make the set match the character.

Tongs are all well and good until you have to write something down.

It is a neat looking and rather cool looking design, though, whether or not it was "supposed" to be a decent set, I honestly like it better than what we got, though admittedly, I'd complain about it not matching Chirox's character either, but it at least looks cool.

Edited February 1, 2010 by CabooseBM

[Wrinkledlion X]

Those were fingers? I always thought they were weapons... are you sure you're not thinking of Krika? Or Vamprah? Besides, that's not his permanent form or anything. The bat/insect-like forms were taken just for the sake of being intimidating (Rule of Cool).

Meanwhile, scientists use tongs for all sorts of stuff, so even with two fingers it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

Lastly, the problem with thinking this sort of thing would make a decent set whatsoever is that it's not even supposed to be a decent set. It's like saying that these would be cooler sets than the Toa Mata. It's hard to call a torso of sloppily-fused parts "imaginative", and even assuming that it would be decent in its refined form (a near-impossible thing to predict) it certainly doesn't outdo fleshed-out, innovative, and utilitarian part designs.

Proto-Pohatu looks like Onewa.

[Aanchir]

Actual Chirox sucked, IMO. 'Cause he was basically Antroz. That prototype is far, far better. Much more interesting and original in design.

Don't start talking down to people who disagree with you. It's not 'unreasonable' to prefer that design. I'd say it's logical, to be honest.

- Tilius

I just think it's silly to prefer a design that was never intended to be final over a finalized design with intricate part designs. Yes, it's more interesting and original in design. But I can't see how one could even think of it as a BIONICLE set. If it were more refined and resembled actual piece designs, maybe it would be better than the set (as I said, that's impossible to really predict, since this is such an early prototype), but as it is it's made of sloppily-fused parts that can hardly even be compared to a plausible design.

Meanwhile, how was Chirox basically Antroz? Chirox had pretty awesome multi-jointed arms, a waist armor piece, and interesting leg armor choices. As cool as Antroz looks, his build was the most boring of the Phantoka Makuta, and was little more than an unarmored Phantoka Makuta torso with Piraka legs and a pair of slapped-on wings.

I am completely sure I am talking about Chirox, and I think they could have done Chirox the scientist as a bat just as well as they did Antroz the leader and Vamprah the hunter as bats, Chirox just doesn't work as well as the others. Sure, the Makuta can shapeshift into anything, but that's a poor reason to not make the set match the character.

Tongs are all well and good until you have to write something down.

It is a neat looking and rather cool looking design, though, whether or not it was "supposed" to be a decent set, I honestly like it better than what we got, though admittedly, I'd complain about it not matching Chirox's character either, but it at least looks cool.

I always felt Chirox looked quite good as a scientist. His huge weapons still have the delicate feel of precision instruments (much more so than Mutran's random weapons). His mask also reminds me of "mad scientist hair". I always wanted to draw him with his thigh armor attached to a lab coat rather than directly to his thighs... never got around to it, though.

Since MU beings carve rather than writing, I don't think Chirox would face much trouble in that respect.

And I agree, the design of the prototype is pretty cool. The problem is that it's not finalized enough to really say it would be a good set. It's like comparing a character doodle with full concept art (that's really what this stage of prototypes is mostly; just 3-D "doodles"). The parts of the build that are actually built rather than fused are creative (I myself don't think they're that attractive, since the armor doesn't fit together too well, but whatevs). But you can't really think of this thing at "set quality" without a great deal of guesswork.

[Disturbia]

Thanks dude. You're the best!

In other news, the Stars are incredibly rare in the UK!

Most of the usual suspects aren't stocking them and ToyRUs are only selling Gresh and Nekktan through stores. Argos wins out for having them all, but the problem with Argos is that it is a lucky dip which ones they will have.

Really? This wasn't the case for me. I got all the Stars in one trip to my TRU.

[-Tilius-]

I just think it's silly to prefer a design that was never intended to be final over a finalized design with intricate part designs. Yes, it's more interesting and original in design. But I can't see how one could even think of it as a BIONICLE set. If it were more refined and resembled actual piece designs, maybe it would be better than the set (as I said, that's impossible to really predict, since this is such an early prototype), but as it is it's made of sloppily-fused parts that can hardly even be compared to a plausible design.

Is it not silly to prefer a design just because it's the finalized one? And it looks pretty Bionicle to me....the same could have been said about the Piraka or Barraki - that's what this design reminds me of.

Obviously when people say they prefer it, they don't expect that rough design to be the final one. Obviously it'd be more polished in the end, but even as it is I'd prefer it.

Meanwhile, how was Chirox basically Antroz? Chirox had pretty awesome multi-jointed arms, a waist armor piece, and interesting leg armor choices. As cool as Antroz looks, his build was the most boring of the Phantoka Makuta, and was little more than an unarmored Phantoka Makuta torso with Piraka legs and a pair of slapped-on wings.

They're basically the same 'cause if you read the instructions...it's like the same building process.

No seriously, I just checked. It's the same build, except for the arms. But they're still basically the same. It's ridiculous to say that they're different. 'Cause you just have to look at the set, or the instructions, and they're basically the same.

If Chirox looked like a Bohrok, then I'd definitely class them as different. But they're like the exact same set. 'Cept with an extra piece added on here and there, and a colour scheme change....

- Tilius

Edited February 1, 2010 by -Tilius-

[Omicron]

I just think it's silly to prefer a design that was never intended to be final over a finalized design with intricate part designs.

You wouldn't be saying that if you ever saw the conceptual designs of the Inika. They were the most badass looking Toa I have ever seen, and instead of working along the lines of those designs, they go with designs we have now.

-Omi