Bionicle-2010?

[tao07]

We're worrying about Taka? Tahu's going to regress.

Ah, Tahu, yeaaah........forgot about him but TAKA CAN'T GET SILVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, he is a toa of light, after all....

[Brickthing]

Hey I just got back from meeting Greg, got a little bit of info about 2010 when I was there:

• The Shattering was caused by the Element Lords attempts to use the EP Spring, which lead to the core of the planet exploding
  
• Mata Nui's mission was to go around the universe, observe societies so a massive war such as the Core War would not break out again, and then pull Spherus Magna back together
  
• The Stars will be a part of the storyline, although their smaller size is like Titan Mata Nui's: not canon.
  
• Teridax will be coming to Bara Magna (here's how we get the Stars)
  
• Teridax's destiny may or may not have been to take over Mata Nui's body; Greg stated that the real question was whether one robot alone be able to pull three planets together.
  
• He could not discuss whether or not 2010 will be the last year of BIONICLE.
  

ALSO: I won the only American copy of Mata Nui's Guide to Bara Magna. Well. The only one until tomorrow. It has quite a bit of information filling in a lot of blanks. I love it. Also very large artwork of all the sets. <3

And I bought the movie finally.

Element Lords? It'll be interesting to find out why they wanted EP, I thought it was the tribes in general.

The Core War was caused by leaking EP from the planet core, not by flaws in society, so it's odd that the GBs think society is related to their problem/are concerned about "Core Wars" on other planets. Maybe this implies that other planets in the BIONILCE universe have EP too, as the GBs seem to think so.

Hopefully their features and especially their weapons will be canon. It's one thing to represent the character in a different scale, but the characters previously represented as sets look completely different to their Star interpretations, so I hope there's a good storyline reason for it.

Awesome and inevitable, and I really want to see how 2010 plays out with a gigantic robot Makuta vs. a tiny Mata Nui and a recently-re-assembled dead prototype GS, which seems to be 10 times smaller than MUGS. If there's one thing that I want out of this storyline development, it's the 2009 comic ending with the MUGS impact-landing behind Mata Nui & Co, in between them and the other GS. I will draw it if the comic doesn't.

I still don't really agree with the idea of pulling the 3 planets together. It seems so simple and brutal, and under real physics that kind of thing would smash and destroy all three planets, not restore it to the previous good condition SM was in. Although, SM did break from one sphere into 3 spheres, and BIONICLE has never been to fond of real physics, so...*sigh*

Pity about 2010 being the last year, but something else BIONICLE-like should replace it. Typically it's fair to assume that "can't answer it" means nothing, but "Is BIONICLE going to end next year?" would usually be a ridiculous question for a long running line, that it would get a decent answer like "It's not planned to, and will only end if sales are really bad next year", so "can't answer it" implies something is different.

How did you win it? Also, is there any neat trivial information that we didn't know before?

[Mesonak]

Element Lords? It'll be interesting to find out why they wanted EP, I thought it was the tribes in general.

The Core War was caused by leaking EP from the planet core, not by flaws in society, so it's odd that the GBs think society is related to their problem/are concerned about "Core Wars" on other planets. Maybe this implies that other planets in the BIONILCE universe have EP too, as the GBs seem to think so.

Hopefully their features and especially their weapons will be canon. It's one thing to represent the character in a different scale, but the characters previously represented as sets look completely different to their Star interpretations, so I hope there's a good storyline reason for it.

Awesome and inevitable, and I really want to see how 2010 plays out with a gigantic robot Makuta vs. a tiny Mata Nui and a recently-re-assembled dead prototype GS, which seems to be 10 times smaller than MUGS. If there's one thing that I want out of this storyline development, it's the 2009 comic ending with the MUGS impact-landing behind Mata Nui & Co, in between them and the other GS. I will draw it if the comic doesn't.

I still don't really agree with the idea of pulling the 3 planets together. It seems so simple and brutal, and under real physics that kind of thing would smash and destroy all three planets, not restore it to the previous good condition SM was in. Although, SM did break from one sphere into 3 spheres, and BIONICLE has never been to fond of real physics, so...*sigh*

Pity about 2010 being the last year, but something else BIONICLE-like should replace it. Typically it's fair to assume that "can't answer it" means nothing, but "Is BIONICLE going to end next year?" would usually be a ridiculous question for a long running line, that it would get a decent answer like "It's not planned to, and will only end if sales are really bad next year", so "can't answer it" implies something is different.

How did you win it? Also, is there any neat trivial information that we didn't know before?

I have to agree with you on the merging of the three planets. =/

On everything else though...

Awesome. We're not going back to the MU, the Stars are canon, and their size is not a factor in the story. I am at peace. =)

-Mesonak

[Tyranide]

...proofpics?

Photos of the LEGO office from the inside. Rather cool stuff.

Hey I just got back from meeting Greg, got a little bit of info about 2010 when I was there:

• The Shattering was caused by the Element Lords attempts to use the EP Spring, which lead to the core of the planet exploding
  
• Mata Nui's mission was to go around the universe, observe societies so a massive war such as the Core War would not break out again, and then pull Spherus Magna back together
  
• The Stars will be a part of the storyline, although their smaller size is like Titan Mata Nui's: not canon.
  
• Teridax will be coming to Bara Magna (here's how we get the Stars)
  
• Teridax's destiny may or may not have been to take over Mata Nui's body; Greg stated that the real question was whether one robot alone be able to pull three planets together.
  
• He could not discuss whether or not 2010 will be the last year of BIONICLE.
  

ALSO: I won the only American copy of Mata Nui's Guide to Bara Magna. Well. The only one until tomorrow. It has quite a bit of information filling in a lot of blanks. I love it. Also very large artwork of all the sets. <3

And I bought the movie finally.

OH SHI~

Well, Stars part was rather obvious, I guess.

If Teridax's coming will mean something like giant robots' battle - it'll be awesome. But Greg stated before that he's got no interest in coming to Bara Magna, didn't he?

[Lemonardo 114]

Any progress on the catalogue Tyranide?

[Brickthing]

Any progress on the catalogue Tyranide?

He'll post progress once he gets it.

@Tyranide, I do believe Greg said that, under the reasoning that Mata Nui was just a powerless being most likely to die/already be dead, so it wasn't worth the Makuta's effort to go after him. I suppose whatever Tren Krom is going to do will change that, or BM is the first planet Makuta goes to in his conquest quest, hence why BIONICLE HQ decided to make AM and BoM moons of Bara Magna so that the MUGS would be close to BM. In fact I hope that's the reason, because that location change conflicts logic and TLR.

[80 Dollar]

Nice little info, thanks for sharing them!

[Refia]

Ah, so how is Geg going to make Tahu a Mata again? Size is all fine and non canon, but eh...

[Tyranide]

Any progress on the catalogue Tyranide?

Yesterday was a complete failure. I won't rely on other people anymore.

@Tyranide, I do believe Greg said that, under the reasoning that Mata Nui was just a powerless being most likely to die/already be dead, so it wasn't worth the Makuta's effort to go after him. I suppose whatever Tren Krom is going to do will change that, or BM is the first planet Makuta goes to in his conquest quest, hence why BIONICLE HQ decided to make AM and BoM moons of Bara Magna so that the MUGS would be close to BM. In fact I hope that's the reason, because that location change conflicts logic and TLR.

Well, that makes sense. Thanks.

Ah, so how is Geg going to make Tahu a Mata again? Size is all fine and non canon, but eh...

AWSM SHAPESHIFTING POWA!

Nuva have Adaptive Armor. Greg can make'em look like anyone with this excuse...

[Phantoka_Chirox]

no no no no, a survivor makuta named sprinkles turned the stars into small people

[Phantoka Kopaka Nuva]

HOLY SH*T.

The Stars are canon!?! That means Gresh will be shrunk in the comics! And so will Mata Nui! (That is, if he's gonna be released as a Star)

BTW Dor, mind sharing some stuffs about the new guide? Any stuffs that we haven't heard of?

[God Iron]

AWSM SHAPESHIFTING POWA!

Nuva have Adaptive Armor. Greg can make'em look like anyone with this excuse...

They already are Mata form aren't they?

Greg say when the adaptive armour de-adapts to a surronding they will go into Mata Form not Nuva.

[Phantoka Kopaka Nuva]

They already are Mata form aren't they?

Greg say when the adaptive armour de-adapts to a surronding they will go into Mata Form not Nuva.

No, they're in Nuva form. Where did you hear that?

[God Iron]

Don't know, thats the idea I had in my head. I guess from the OGD on BZP. I guess I'm wrong though.

[Ikki o' Moopyville]

Ah crap.

There is now officially no mysteries left in Bionicle. We know Mata Nui's gotta do, we know the history of the universe, we know everything.

I don't know about Greg being a bad writer, but her's certainly a HORRIBLE storyteller. That's just dandy.

-Ikk

[Omicron]

That proves it then.

Proves...... what?

-Omi

[Strakk]

Proves...... what?

-Omi

That 2010 probably will be the last year for Bionicle. In the past Greg had always said "2008 won't be the last year.. 2009 not" but this time he doesn't comment. Often when he doesn't cooment it means that it is true unfortunately.

However I think if 2010 is going to sell well Bionicle might return in the future.

[Omicron]

That 2010 probably will be the last year for Bionicle. In the past Greg had always said "2008 won't be the last year.. 2009 not" but this time he doesn't comment. Often when he doesn't cooment it means that it is true unfortunately.

However I think if 2010 is going to sell well Bionicle might return in the future.

Just because he can't say anything about it doesn't mean anything. Most of the time when people say "can't say anything" means they really have nothing to comment or cannot divulge any information. We already been through this already in this topic when it comes to "can't discuss it" comments by officials.

Proves nothing.

-Omi

[KonguChan]

or maybe want to create panic, so that the children of BZP and Eurobricks compulsively buy more Bionicle

xD

Violent market economy

[The Dor]

Also, The Dor, could you scan some parts of the book?

It's a surprisingly large book, and my scanner isn't very reliable right now so I'd prefer not to. Maybe later though :)

Element Lords? It'll be interesting to find out why they wanted EP, I thought it was the tribes in general.

They lead the tribes...? The EL's started the war.

The Core War was caused by leaking EP from the planet core, not by flaws in society, so it's odd that the GBs think society is related to their problem/are concerned about "Core Wars" on other planets. Maybe this implies that other planets in the BIONILCE universe have EP too, as the GBs seem to think so.

The cause of the war was the EP yes, but it was also the EL's greediness.

Hopefully their features and especially their weapons will be canon. It's one thing to represent the character in a different scale, but the characters previously represented as sets look completely different to their Star interpretations, so I hope there's a good storyline reason for it.

Actually the only one who looks different is Takanuva. Any small differences are again like Titan Mata Nui, who looked completely different from the canister version.

Awesome and inevitable, and I really want to see how 2010 plays out with a gigantic robot Makuta vs. a tiny Mata Nui and a recently-re-assembled dead prototype GS, which seems to be 10 times smaller than MUGS. If there's one thing that I want out of this storyline development, it's the 2009 comic ending with the MUGS impact-landing behind Mata Nui & Co, in between them and the other GS. I will draw it if the comic doesn't.

AH and one more important thing Greg said: If Mata Nui does take over the prototype, he'll be operating on a time limit. Considering the fact that it blew up the first time, what makes you think it'll work better the second time?

I still don't really agree with the idea of pulling the 3 planets together. It seems so simple and brutal, and under real physics that kind of thing would smash and destroy all three planets, not restore it to the previous good condition SM was in. Although, SM did break from one sphere into 3 spheres, and BIONICLE has never been to fond of real physics, so...*sigh*

Well I don't know if he meant literally pulling them together, possible just restoring Spherus Magna using some other means. But probably meant pulling.

Pity about 2010 being the last year, but something else BIONICLE-like should replace it. Typically it's fair to assume that "can't answer it" means nothing, but "Is BIONICLE going to end next year?" would usually be a ridiculous question for a long running line, that it would get a decent answer like "It's not planned to, and will only end if sales are really bad next year", so "can't answer it" implies something is different.

I agree. I think that an answer of "I hope not" would be a pretty good one, even though it answers the question just as definitively as "can't answer it". Oh well.

How did you win it? Also, is there any neat trivial information that we didn't know before?

Well. I won it mostly by luck. It was a trivia contest. There were four people left. He asked which class the Rock EL was chosen from. I was the only one that got it right; Leader Class. I don't know if that's new but it is to me. Also Tarix one 93 Atero tournaments. 93.

HOLY SH*T.

The Stars are canon!?! That means Gresh will be shrunk in the comics! And so will Mata Nui! (That is, if he's gonna be released as a Star)

BTW Dor, mind sharing some stuffs about the new guide? Any stuffs that we haven't heard of?

They will not be shrunk. Their size change will not be noted in the comics at all.

And right now I'm not very far through reading MN's Guide. So far not a whole lot of actual information, just smoothing over.

Ah crap.

There is now officially no mysteries left in Bionicle. We know Mata Nui's gotta do, we know the history of the universe, we know everything.

I don't know about Greg being a bad writer, but her's certainly a HORRIBLE storyteller. That's just dandy.

Well if BIONICLE is ending this year, it would make sense to wrap up the mysteries.

AND one more thing Greg talked about that may or may not be relevant: he said that if he gets the chance, he'd like to write about Bota Magna. The Agori and Glatorian and other inhabitants would have rejected technology, and merged with the plants to a degree, they would be partly organic, partly mechanical, and partly plant. Also he said he wanted to write about cybernetic dinosaurs. Which I guess proves how likely it is.

And the problem Mata Nui had, not paying attention to his inhabitants, is the same problem the GBs had. Which is why they created the ELs. So they wouldn't have to run a planet any more, and could spend their time creating and experimenting. And we probably will never see the Great Beings physical forms. :)

EDIT: Although the Great Beings are referred to as "a collection of men and women" in MN's Guide.

Edited October 10, 2009 by The Dor

[ShaddowCroc]

What if the reason Greg doesn't know if BIONICLE's ending or not is because not even knows?

[Brickthing]

They lead the tribes...? The EL's started the war.

Yeah, but from the wording of what you said it suggested that the ELs had a personal reason why they wanted the EP, not just for the tribe's welfare. Did Greg suggest that, or was it just your wording here?

The cause of the war was the EP yes, but it was also the EL's greediness.

But it seems rather pointless to study the way other societies work if they didn't have the potential for the same problem that SM had. It would be like studying a small African village to find out why WW1 broke out.

Actually the only one who looks different is Takanuva. Any small differences are again like Titan Mata Nui, who looked completely different from the canister version.

All of them look different in some way or another even when their size/piece limitations are excused - The Skrall looks to be generic, but is green, Gresh has silver blades instead of the ones he got in the movie and this year's set, Tahu is in his Mata form, The Rahkshi is in a new colour with a new spike pattern, and a Guurahk staff, and Vezok is a Piraka despite currently being a sea snake due to the Ignika. If they're all canon apart from their size, I really do hope that there are good storyline reasons, and it's not just ignored/previous canon retconned.

AH and one more important thing Greg said: If Mata Nui does take over the prototype, he'll be operating on a time limit. Considering the fact that it blew up the first time, what makes you think it'll work better the second time?

That is new in two ways - firstly, I don't think we're ever been given the impression that the first GS was ever in one piece, just never assembled by the GBs due to technical problems, yet alone that it blew up. That's really cool though, because it means we will be getting the giant robot death match that we've always wanted, and it'll probably be on top of Bara Magna. I want Ghost to animate it.

Well I don't know if he meant literally pulling them together, possible just restoring Spherus Magna using some other means. But probably meant pulling.

I was actually thinking they'd push them together, but pulling sounds marginally more likely to work. Unfortunately, push/pulling seems the only way to bring 3 giant planetoids to the same place, without needing an extra comic/serial to explain a different, more confusing mechanism of how Mata Nui would do it. Oh, and I also want Ghost to animate this, but it will be hilarious for lack of sense.

Well. I won it mostly by luck. It was a trivia contest. There were four people left. He asked which class the Rock EL was chosen from. I was the only one that got it right; Leader Class. I don't know if that's new but it is to me. Also Tarix one 93 Atero tournaments. 93.

Well done. The Rock EL's origin has been told in the OGD, but that's kind of unfair, because he's partly expecting all the people who go to such an event with him to know about and read the OGD on BZP.

They will not be shrunk. Their size change will not be noted in the comics at all.

That's interesting, because if they're going to have part of it still based on Bara Magna, they won't be able to show Agori properly, because they'll be the same size. I hope we get to see other Glatorian and Toa in Chibi forms though, even if they're not sets.

AND one more thing Greg talked about that may or may not be relevant: he said that if he gets the chance, he'd like to write about Bota Magna. The Agori and Glatorian and other inhabitants would have rejected technology, and merged with the plants to a degree, they would be partly organic, partly mechanical, and partly plant. Also he said he wanted to write about cybernetic dinosaurs. Which I guess proves how likely it is.

And the problem Mata Nui had, not paying attention to his inhabitants, is the same problem the GBs had. Which is why they created the ELs. So they wouldn't have to run a planet any more, and could spend their time creating and experimenting.

Maybe he could hand over some information about Bota Magna so that fans could make artwork and other stories for it? That would be awesome, because the plant integration thing sounds really interesting.

And we probably will never see the Great Beings physical forms. :)

Good, that's the mystery of BIONICLE that needs to stay a mystery, so that we never really meet/understand what caused the entire BIONICLE saga in the first place. I also hope that at the most Greg only hints vaguely about their current location, and if he does, he does it in a way that suggests they moved to another inhabited planet like Spherus Magna and integrate themselves in their society, so that they can continue their experimentation.

As an unrelated wish for 2010, I hope Krakua or somebody activates the Bohrok during the Giant Robot Death Match, and the Bohrok try to swarm Makuta's face.

What if the reason Greg doesn't know if BIONICLE's ending or not is because not even knows?

In past years he would say that then. It doesn't confirm it, but the fact that he can't comment this year suggests something is different.

[The Dor]

Yeah, but from the wording of what you said it suggested that the ELs had a personal reason why they wanted the EP, not just for the tribe's welfare. Did Greg suggest that, or was it just your wording here?

Well the ELs did have personal reasons for wanting it. Everyone wanted it. But it was I believe the Fire EL that was draining the spring which caused the Shattering.

But it seems rather pointless to study the way other societies work if they didn't have the potential for the same problem that SM had. It would be like studying a small African village to find out why WW1 broke out.

Well that's what it says in the book. :\

That is new in two ways - firstly, I don't think we're ever been given the impression that the first GS was ever in one piece, just never assembled by the GBs due to technical problems, yet alone that it blew up. That's really cool though, because it means we will be getting the giant robot death match that we've always wanted, and it'll probably be on top of Bara Magna. I want Ghost to animate it.

Actually I think the fact it blew up is old news; I think I remember hearing it before. And we don't know the death match will occur for two reasons: a death match would result in one or both of the 'bots not working. Which would make completing MN's mission impossible. And Mata Nui would not risk hurting BM's inhabitants by battling on top of BM.

Well done. The Rock EL's origin has been told in the OGD, but that's kind of unfair, because he's partly expecting all the people who go to such an event with him to know about and read the OGD on BZP.

Keep in mind though that it was a contest to receive on of the only English copies of a book. He needed to use some resource only a hardcore fan would also use.

Maybe he could hand over some information about Bota Magna so that fans could make artwork and other stories for it? That would be awesome, because the plant integration thing sounds really interesting.

I certainly hope so.

Good, that's the mystery of BIONICLE that needs to stay a mystery, so that we never really meet/understand what caused the entire BIONICLE saga in the first place. I also hope that at the most Greg only hints vaguely about their current location, and if he does, he does it in a way that suggests they moved to another inhabited planet like Spherus Magna and integrate themselves in their society, so that they can continue their experimentation.

Well he had said that one of the reasons he couldn't show them this year was because of the possibility of a "search for the Great Beings" sort of storyline. I don't think this is still going to happen considering he said we will likely never see them.

I'm about halfway through the book right now, and when I'm done I'll post some new info about probably each character. :)

[Brickthing]

Actually I think the fact it blew up is old news; I think I remember hearing it before. And we don't know the death match will occur for two reasons: a death match would result in one or both of the 'bots not working. Which would make completing MN's mission impossible. And Mata Nui would not risk hurting BM's inhabitants by battling on top of BM.

Hmm, well I think it's new to me though. About the death match, obviously it wouldn't be a death match as such, but it would make sense that Mata Nui would use the robot to give the Makuta a decent enough beating, so as to distract and weaken him from preventing the turmoil going on inside him caused by the Stars and the summer sets, which would ultimately defeat the Makuta. But I'm hoping that Mata Nui will do a little more than slap the Makuta, to make it cool enough to be animated by Ghost.

Most of the BM inhabitants currently live under the shelter of the GS, so they'll probably go into it when Mata Nui uses it. But if they don't, it might be kind of neat to have a Giant Robot Disable Match in space, or crash landing on AM and other nearby planets.

Keep in mind though that it was a contest to receive on of the only English copies of a book. He needed to use some resource only a hardcore fan would also use.

True, but the guide isn't going to be exclusive for long, so it would've been nice if the little BIONICLE fan kids who aren't as hardcore stood a chance as well.

Well he had said that one of the reasons he couldn't show them this year was because of the possibility of a "search for the Great Beings" sort of storyline. I don't think this is still going to happen considering he said we will likely never see them.

I'm about halfway through the book right now, and when I'm done I'll post some new info about probably each character. :)

That storyline would be interesting, but we've done heaps of "search for" storylines in the past, and the only reason that the MU/BM inhabitants would want to find the GBs aside from for revenge would be for some repeated reason like "Mata Nui is dying again". Although, if it justifies BIONICLE space sets...

[Zaktan of the Shadows]

2010 sounds cool. I wish those Stars were canister sets though.

-ZotS