Bionicle-2010?

[Aanchir]

I always find it interesting how you members praise Greg so blindly, especially since those years of "amazing Greg writing" were horrible years.

-Omi

I liked 2007 and 2008. Sets, story, everything. Every year a book or set came out, I was excited; every time I finished with either, my expectations were fully met. I don't praise Greg "blindly", I praise him because I actually enjoyed those years a great deal. Pity you didn't get that sort of satisfaction from it, but it's really sad that you'd blame Greg for your own failure to appreciate his and others' well-spent efforts.

You've got me angry, so I'll stop my post here-- after all, I have no knowledge of what made your childhood so much more worthwhile than mine. But I don't want to see you dismiss years of my life as "horrible" and treat me like a part of some lesser audience for actually enjoying them.

[Omicron]

Pity you didn't get that sort of satisfaction from it,

What makes you think I didn't? I loved the new pieces.

but it's really sad that you'd blame Greg for your own failure to appreciate his and others' well-spent efforts.

My own failure? Just because I don't fancy his writing is not a failure on my account. It is called personal preference. It is really sad you can't accept that not everyone likes Greg like you.

But I don't want to see you dismiss years of my life as "horrible" and treat me like a part of some lesser audience for actually enjoying them.

Keep in mind you're speaking to a guy who spent most of his years spending a whole wad of cash on pieces of small plastic, and that is why I like Bionicle. I'm one of the very few that can brag about having a rare collection.

And because you actually got angry at a harmless piece of opinion you don't share, that alone proves what I stated above about "blindly praising".

-Omi

Edited January 12, 2010 by Omicron

[Aanchir]

Your post wasn't an honest opinion. It was a matter-of-fact statement that me and anyone like me who liked those years was blind to reality. That the years were, all opinions aside, horrible. That's not an opinion-- that's an insult.

An opinion would have been "I'm surprised that so many people liked the story those years, since I didn't like the story those years". And it could have been left at that. I don't mind when people disagree with me (I have friendly debates with ToM Dracone and others on BZP all the time); I mind when they say anyone with my opinion is blind and that what they like is horrible, hands down.

And I retaliated-- I can't say that everything I said was true, or fair, but the intent was to upset you. Perhaps the fact that it didn't (and that I was idiot enough to pretend that it would) is just perfect evidence that I'm a self-deceiving childish moron who enjoys a stupid kids' story about stupid kids' toys and will never be successful. I don't know anymore.

[Bfahome]

And because you actually got angry at a harmless piece of opinion you don't share, that alone proves what I stated above about "blindly praising".

People don't tend to be too happy about being called "blind" when it comes to what they like. Preeeetty sure that's why he was mad, not because your opinion was different. (+1 accuracy!)

Also, <insert witty sentence about calling people "blind" for holding an opinion that's different than yours here>.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Bfahome

[Darkness Falls]

Question that will direct us away from the Greg discussion (his writing is subpar, in my opinion. He's not the maker of great fables, but he writes well for a child's book series)- how the hell does the Vahi work? Does it actually effect the fabric of time, or does it only effect those who are a part of the Matoran Universe? I suppose Greg's answer would be "magic", but if he's explained everything else, why not tell us the root of elemental and mask powers already?

[Erebus]

The Vahi's power can affect the time around the target, whether to slow down time or speed it up. If it's used in the Matoran Universe, it will only affect the Matoran Universe. If it's destroyed in the Matoran Universe, it will only affect the Matoran Universe. If it's destroyed outside the Matoran Universe, nothing happens.

[Omicron]

I mind when they say anyone with my opinion is blind and that what they like is horrible, hands down.

And did I say that? I said the years are horrible. That is an opinion. If you can say they are great, then I can say they are horrible.

Going by the posts here, you guys pretty much make Greg out to be flawless. That is the blind praise.

-Omi

[CabooseBM]

I'm pretty sure I've read this argument somewhere before... Hrm... Coulda sworn it was somewhere around several times in this thread already.

[Aanchir]

And did I say that? I said the years are horrible. That is an opinion. If you can say they are great, then I can say they are horrible.

Going by the posts here, you guys pretty much make Greg out to be flawless. That is the blind praise.

-Omi

He's not flawless. In fact, in the post about 2007 character development that I made before this whole fiasco, I openly acknowledged that the 2006 books were pretty appalling in regards to characterization. But for me, Greg's as good a writer as he needs to be, in that I'm usually not disappointed by a book after I've finished it. I don't bother pinpointing places where the writing is bad, and I probably couldn't remember many if I tried, because for me the good parts of the books are the parts with "staying power". I don't think that my praise is "blind" because of that.

[Omicron]

He's not flawless. In fact, in the post about 2007 character development that I made before this whole fiasco, I openly acknowledged that the 2006 books were pretty appalling in regards to characterization. But for me, Greg's as good a writer as he needs to be, in that I'm usually not disappointed by a book after I've finished it. I don't bother pinpointing places where the writing is bad, and I probably couldn't remember many if I tried, because for me the good parts of the books are the parts with "staying power". I don't think that my praise is "blind" because of that.

I love how you think everything I been saying was towards you.

-Omi

[Artahn]

/headdesk

You were arguing with him, yes?

[Omicron]

/headdesk

You were arguing with him, yes?

Initial post wasn't towards him. He is arguing with me, I'm just replying.

Also key words, "you guys".

-Omi

[Aanchir]

Initial post wasn't towards him. He is arguing with me, I'm just replying.

Also key words, "you guys".

-Omi

I don't think it was all towards me; you were presumably also targeting anyone else involved in the Toa Ignika discussion (unless, of course, you weren't referring to recent posts whatsoever, in which case I have no idea who you are addressing). But I was a part of that discussion as well, so while I never even thought you were addressing me alone, you were most certainly addressing me among others who (similarly) would not like being considered blind followers of the Almighty Greg.

[Artahn]

Quick, someone make a "Coexist" sign out of Bionicle pieces.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Artahn

[Refia]

I don't coexist with people who assume we have no taste or opinion when it comes to writing and that we like whatever Greg throws at us, while making it appear as if they have the devine authority on the matter and are better than us. It is a strange disease that I find most important members of a certain biggest Bionicle fansite share. Curious.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Refia

[Artahn]

/facepalm

There's no solving this, is there?

[Refia]

There is, stop the needless Greg bashing. Bashing Greg has become as popular as saying Final Fantasy VII sucks. We all know Greg's writing is not the best ever, I think nobody believes that. But it's not bad either. There's far worse out there and you know it. For the storyline of a toyline, Greg writes good enough, and people should not expect more. That's only setting yourself up to be dissapointed.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Refia

[Artahn]

Very close paraphrase: "He saw blood, and he realized that it was his own."

That's from Angels & Demons (the book) [so I've been told by G4 in a news report on the dude who wrote it taking a part in the story of Assassin's Creed 2]

Name one time Greg has written something that stupid sounding, and we can all agree that his books deserve the same as Angels and Demons: to be turned into a movie starring Forrest Gump.

[Omicron]

It is a strange disease that I find most important members of a certain biggest Bionicle fansite share.

I'm not a member of a certain big Bionicle fansite that I know of, so I don't share this disease.

-Omi

[~Wrack'n'Ruin~]

There is, stop the needless Greg bashing. Bashing Greg has become as popular as saying Final Fantasy VII sucks.

You've got that the wrong way around.

Everyone praises Greg.

and

Everyone still loves FF7.

It's not needless either. Criticism is the spice of the creative mind.

[Omicron]

Criticism is the spice of the creative mind.

And balances it all out.

And FFIV FTW.

-Omi

[Zarkan]

Okay, once and for all, let me make something clear: this conflict between people who like Greg's writing and people who hate Greg's writing will never end as long as we keep arguing over it, as it is based almost entirely on subjective opinion and not objective fact. While this would seem to be an obvious truth that everyone can understand, for some reason so many people here continue to make blatant generalistic statements and act like their opinions are better than others. Look, some of us like Greg's writing, and some of us don't. Is this somehow a problem, or has everyone here forgotten that diversity of opinions is what makes dicussion enjoyble? If people can just realize this and respect each other instead of making statements like "I can't believe how blindly you guys praise Greg," because posts like those only leads to strife and anger.

I'm serious guys - the bionicle discussion subforum seems to have more arguments than any other area on Eurobricks. I've lost count of how many times everyone keeps arguing about the exact same topics, taking up page after page with needless disagreement. This area of the site, and everyone in it, needs to move on from these problems and learn to get along, otherwise I think we should just stop talking about the storyline period.

And no, I am not saying this as a wanabe moderator, but as a fellow contributor who regrets his role in the constant strife and wants everyone to respect each other. Is that too much to ask? Because if it is, then I'm very sorry for you.

[Omicron]

If people can just realize this and respect each other instead of making statements like "I can't believe how blindly you guys praise Greg," because posts like those only leads to strife and anger.

Or just not respond. :)

-Omi

[Bfahome]

Or just not respond. :)

-Omi

Or just not post it in the first place. :)

[Omicron]

Or just not post it in the first place. :)

Well then I'd appreciate it if the recent Bionicle story wasn't praised. It is insulting. :)

-Omi