Emperor Claudius Rome Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Do you have a favourite movie that you Loved , but the general media hated. If so, tell the movie. "The Love Guru", one of my favourite movies ever Quote
5150 Lego Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen and G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Both movies critic claimed for the most part were horrible movies and one critic even went as far as saying that you had no sense of character or you knew nothing of cinema of you liked Tf ROTF. Or something of that matter. Though TF has earned nearly $900,000,000 million at the box office and is in the top ten grossing movies of all time. Ya, I've heard the argument of "Just cause it made alot of movie, doesn't mean it was good movie" Well that statement is crap. Pure and utter crap. Cause obviously if it wasn't any good, than it (and this goes for any movie that can produce these kinds of numbers) then people would not have paid to see it over and over. Anyways, i never listen to critics anyways. Well,actually, i do. Chances are if they liked it, i know I'll love it! Half the crap they call "Good movies", never even make it out of the sun dance film festival. Quote
Mraz Skintas Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm with 5150 Lego. Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen was one of the greatest movies I've ever see, and it got alot of crap and low ratings. I definitely don't think it deserved that. Another would be Star Wars: The Clone Wars. I loved it and thought it was a great pilot for the season. It was actually, sadly, only the second Star Wars film I saw in theatres. (The first being Revenge of the Sith.) -May the Force be with you. Quote
JimBee Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Indiana Kones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, definitely. Okay, the inclusion of aliens was questionable, but that doesn't mean we all have to lose our heads (hehe, get it? Bad reference joke ). The movie in itself was excellent, and they did an excellent job on making it seem like the classic films (the style, the action...). I thoroughly enjoy this movie every time I watch it (I own it on DVD). What irritates me the most is that people call it "unrealistic". Have the Ark or the Holy Grail ever been scientifically proven to exist? No, so the original films were no more realistic than KOTCS. Besides, they're movies. Anything can happen in a movie, that's why people watch them. Quote
Commander Flash Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 KotCS and Revenge of the Sith. Niether were bad. Just the old school fans didn't like them. Truely, I wasn't a big fan of ESB Quote
dabulls03 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm going to have to agree with Jim Butcher and Commander Flash. I really don't understand why everyone seemed to hate The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull so much. Afterall, without KotCS we probably wouldn't have gotten LEGO Indiana Jones! But that aside, I still really liked the movie. The cinematography was great and the storyline really wasn't as bad as most people thought, even compared to the other three movies. Why does everyone hate aliens so much? Quote
Luke McAwesome Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 but that doesn't mean we all have to lose our heads (hehe, get it? Bad reference joke ). I've been waiting for that joke, Jim. The movie in itself was excellent, and they did an excellent job on making it seem like the classic films (the style, the action...). I thoroughly enjoy this movie every time I watch it (I own it on DVD). Ad do I, and I love it. I'll sleep on my decision, updates tomorrow. Quote
Oky Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Indiana Kones and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, definitely. Who is this Indiana Kones you speak of? Seriously though, I agree with what has been said so far (except for the Love Guru). KOTCS, Transformers 1&2, and G.I. Joe may not be the best movies ever (at least plot-wise), but I really enjoyed them nevertheless. Here are some other movies I liked: Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow: I admit, it's not a very good movie, but that's kind of what makes it so great. It reminds you of those cheesy, yet adventurous and exciting 50's comic books. It was quite enjoyable to me and my dad. I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry: This movie was called "sporadically funny, casually sexist, blithely racist and about as visually sophisticated as parking-garage surveillance video" by many, but it was one of the most hilarious movies me and my mom have seen in a while. It's just our humor I guess. We thought that the actors did a great job at playing their roles and think that all the talk about sexism and racism is overrated. And obviously I highly enjoyed the prequel trilogy of the Star Wars saga and don't think that The Clone Wars is all that bad. It is made for kids, and for that, it's a pretty good movie/series. That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there's a few more. Quote
Batbrick Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Well that statement is crap. Pure and utter crap. Cause obviously if it wasn't any good, than it (and this goes for any movie that can produce these kinds of numbers) then people would not have paid to see it over and over. Actually it makes perfect sense, I don't see how you can't grasp that. Yes, critics do go majorly overboard, but for the most part, people will pay through the nose to watch a movie with huge explosions and "cool factor" regardless of good plot. Citizen Kane is for example, one of the greatest movies of all time and on of my favourites, but I doubt the majority of people know anything about it. Just because a movie makes a truckload of cash doesn't mean it is good, it merely means it is popular. Critics don't always get it right, Fight Club is a brilliant movie that was panned at its time and guess what? Barely made a cent at the box office. Still, the movie kicks Transformers left and right in just its opening scenes. It is the distinction of a good movie regardless of what you think of it in your opinion, and a movie you like. A movie myself that is a sort of guilty pleasure is the horrible American version of Godzilla, which while terrible in terms of plot, ripping off of other films and bad humour, I always enjoy if for some crazy reason I can't explain, despite mocking it even while I watch. To the Brickmobile! Quote
Oky Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 A movie myself that is a sort of guilty pleasure is the horrible American version of Godzilla, which while terrible in terms of plot, ripping off of other films and bad humour, I always enjoy if for some crazy reason I can't explain, despite mocking it even while I watch. I agree with that. I watched it as a kid and enjoyed it, and probably would still enjoy it today. Also, I enjoyed T3 and T4. But there is no doubt for me that both of them combined can't stand up to the greatness that is T2. In fact, it's likely that no movie will ever be able to. That movie is just pure awesomeness IMO. I also hear that many disliked The Butterfly Effect, but it's one of the best time travel movies I have seen. Oh, and I thought that The Sphere was a good sci-fi thriller. Or at least I enjoyed it when I watched it in my teen years. Quote
Peppermint_M Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 My DVD collection is made up of odd 70s/80s films, anime and films that were critical flops.. I see to like that which the mainstream dislike. I have no problem with this, except when I go over my more "normal" friends houses for a DVD watching night. I second that Sky Captain was a film made from diesel, pulp and awesome. Quote
Mraz Skintas Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I have to add KOTCS and ROTS to my list. As a big fan of the rest of the movies from both sagas, I loved the finale to each. (Though KOTCS might not be the finale.) The only problem I had with ROTS is the fact that all of the Jedi were killed off in about two minutes, and they all just got shot up. Some went out with a bang, like Ki-Adi-Mundi and Mace, but the rest just seemed to bang. That is mainly due (I think) to the fact that Lucas added in the PT some 20 years after ROTJ. Had he done the movies chronologically, all would be good for the Jedi Order. -May the Force be with you. Quote
-JD- Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) I never knew ROTS was so unpopular in the Press. I liked IJ IV, but the alien thing was surprising. I thought it was a bit silly later, but it was made by Spielberg afterall. He likes aliens a lot. Edited August 19, 2009 by Jammiedodger714 Quote
Stealth Hunter Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) I third that Sky Captain was a awesome movie. I also like the Super Mario Brothers movie. The one with real actors and absolutely no connection to the games. I'm not sure why exactly I do but I guess it's because I like trash movies or B-movies in general. Edited August 19, 2009 by Stealth Hunter Quote
JCC1004 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) I liked the classics better but KOTCS was pretty good. My granny didn't even see it and said it's awful and Harrison's too old. I don't rember TOD reviews much but my Dad didn't even want me to see it because he hated it. I like TOD better then KOTCS. I only saw Last Crusade when I was younger and I was scared of Donovan. I forgot about Indy until I heard about the other moive and the Lego theme. I finaly rented Raiders and TOD. I've now become obsessed with Indy. Both Lego and the moives. He likes aliens a lot. I watched something about KOTCS and it said that was Lucas's idea and Spielberg said no. Gorege said they were interdimensional biengs. He did do alot of alien moives though. I also hear that many disliked The Butterfly Effect, but it's one of the best time travel movies I have seen. I saw that a while ago when I was visting my mom, she loves that stuff. It was a little strange for me at the time but I saw it again later. I don't rember anything that should have made it rated R. What irritates me the most is that people call it "unrealistic". Have the Ark or the Holy Grail ever been scientifically proven to exist? No, so the original films were no more realistic than KOTCS. Besides, they're movies. Anything can happen in a movie, that's why people watch them. Everything in Indy moives was made around historical myths and what things we've recoved today. There are rumors and some proof that the Ark, Shankara stones, The Holy Grail , and Crystal skuls exist. I've seen some pictures of a shankra stone, what someone belives to be the Holy grail , and crystal skulls. There is also a rumor that the Ark is in a building where only 1 man can see it. The moives took these historical items and added things around them like temples, other myths, and tons more. I believe they are possible to happen. I can go on about the pyramids and other temples that with todays technology would be difficult. Edited August 19, 2009 by JCC1004 Quote
Eskallon Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Who is this Indiana Kones you speak of? Lego sent me a little letter when I won the game from them and made the spelling mistake Indian Jones 3 times instead of Indiana. Any way back on topic, I kinda transformers 2 and I really loved the clone wars despite all the bad reviews. I thought Indiana Jone 3 was crap. I mean no funny funny girls, no big boobie traps and no swinging with the whip. I think it would have been better if they scrapped the aliens, scrapped the story along with the skull. Instead maybe made the russians go after the lost ark like everyone thought at the beggining. Then they try to harness the energy causing great destruction to the whole world. Then they could throw in a few meteors and walla we are all happy. Quote
Luke McAwesome Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was good. I can't think of a movie I like that the media didn't. Quote
JCC1004 Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Lego sent me a little letter when I won the game from them and made the spelling mistake Indian Jones 3 times instead of Indiana.Any way back on topic, I kinda transformers 2 and I really loved the clone wars despite all the bad reviews. I thought Indiana Jone 3 was crap. I mean no funny funny girls, no big boobie traps and no swinging with the whip. I think it would have been better if they scrapped the aliens, scrapped the story along with the skull. Instead maybe made the russians go after the lost ark like everyone thought at the beggining. Then they try to harness the energy causing great destruction to the whole world. Then they could throw in a few meteors and walla we are all happy. Can you work on your spelling? It's getting hard to read. Quote
Tyrant Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Actually it makes perfect sense, I don't see how you can't grasp that. Yes, critics do go majorly overboard, but for the most part, people will pay through the nose to watch a movie with huge explosions and "cool factor" regardless of good plot. Citizen Kane is for example, one of the greatest movies of all time and on of my favourites, but I doubt the majority of people know anything about it. Just because a movie makes a truckload of cash doesn't mean it is good, it merely means it is popular. Critics don't always get it right, Fight Club is a brilliant movie that was panned at its time and guess what? Barely made a cent at the box office. Still, the movie kicks Transformers left and right in just its opening scenes. It is the distinction of a good movie regardless of what you think of it in your opinion, and a movie you like. The problem with your stance, and why the "lots of profit=good" argument has some merit, is that "good" in this case is purely subjective. There is no objective means to measure a film. Some people will argue otherwise (they typically have a livelyhood that depends on people having the belief that you can objectively measure such things in my experience) but art is subjective. Some aspects can be ojectively measured such as lighting and other technical details, but plot can't be objectively measured. So, from that, there is no way to factually state one movie is better than another. One may appeal more to critics (who, again, simply judge based on their criteria which may or may not have any meaning at all in the grand scheme of things) or to the audience (who judges based simply on what they like in most cases) but neither can be declared factually better. The only objective means to measure the success of a movie is it's box office. Beyond that, any measurement is based on arbitrary criteria that have no means to be measured in the first place. It is truly up to whoever is watching it to decide if it is good or bad. What a critic thinks is good, what you think is good, or what I think is good for that matter, isn't what constitutes what is universaly good (or bad as the case may be) and is basically just an opinion. For instance, do I think Fight Club is better than both Transformers put together, yes. Do I believe that statement should carry any weight as to what someone else cosiders the better movie, no. As for "bad" movies that I like, most of my DVD collection is 70s/80s horror movies and scifi movies from the same era so there are lots. The top of the list is probably Big Trouble in Little China. It was panned when it came out but it was saved by cable and has since become a cult classic. Some others worth mentioning would be: The Death Race 2000, Doomsday, The Evil Dead Trilogy, Flash Gordon, Ghosts of Mars (actually, about any John Carpenter movie should be on here), Mean Guns, Repo Man. I could probably list several others. Quote
Oky Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Instead maybe made the russians go after the lost ark like everyone thought at the beggining. Then they try to harness the energy causing great destruction to the whole world. Then they could throw in a few meteors and walla we are all happy. And how would this involve booby traps? No, no, I prefer the real plot much over that. Can you work on your spelling? It's getting hard to read. Says Mr. Probaly. Quote
HumanPackMule Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I always liked SW episodes II and III. Quote
Captain REX Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 KOTCS, Clone Wars, TF ROTF and T4, im not sure if most people hate the prequel trilogy so i wont put that one in. I dont understand why people hate the prequel trilogy so much, its not that bad. Reasons why they hate apperantly are stuff like midi-chlorians and jar jar. Im not sure why people find ROTS bad, thats my favourite star wars film! Quote
Eskallon Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 And how would this involve booby traps? No, no, I prefer the real plot much over that. Well Indiana Jones tells Mutt to stand against the wall, he does it and steps on a thing that makes meteors hit the earth. Simple. Oh and sorry for my bad spelling earlier. Quote
Batbrick Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 The problem with your stance, and why the "lots of profit=good" argument has some merit, is that "good" in this case is purely subjective. There is no objective means to measure a film. Some people will argue otherwise (they typically have a livelyhood that depends on people having the belief that you can objectively measure such things in my experience) but art is subjective. Some aspects can be ojectively measured such as lighting and other technical details, but plot can't be objectively measured. So, from that, there is no way to factually state one movie is better than another. One may appeal more to critics (who, again, simply judge based on their criteria which may or may not have any meaning at all in the grand scheme of things) or to the audience (who judges based simply on what they like in most cases) but neither can be declared factually better. The only objective means to measure the success of a movie is it's box office. Beyond that, any measurement is based on arbitrary criteria that have no means to be measured in the first place. It is truly up to whoever is watching it to decide if it is good or bad. What a critic thinks is good, what you think is good, or what I think is good for that matter, isn't what constitutes what is universaly good (or bad as the case may be) and is basically just an opinion. For instance, do I think Fight Club is better than both Transformers put together, yes. Do I believe that statement should carry any weight as to what someone else cosiders the better movie, no. Well, the problem with your stance is that you act like everything is subjective, when even many of those who share similar beliefs to you will agree that the subjectivity will only stretch so far. Is One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest a better film than Fist Spaceship on Venus? Yes, its not even a matter debating, because while comparing One Flew with a film that is well made, well shot etc would be subjective as you say, that film is so awful on all levels that subjectivity is thrown out the window. There is no arguing because it is a downright awful film. Likewise, less extreme examples are relevant too. Storytelling cannot be measured no, nut you make the easy assumption that this means one cannot have bad plots. There can be bad plots, and there can be good plots, its only when the distinction becomes harder to make between two good films, or two films of wildly different genre and style, that it becomes subjective. I never stated that movies can be measured as fact, nor compiled in a list from bad to good, but it is possible to categorise movies into basic groups of good, bad and great etc based on their collective wholes, since flaws are not subjective, plot holes are not subjective, continuity errors are not subjective, and the presence of metaphors, symbolism, or clever characterisation are not really majorly subjective either. Subjective is often just used so one person can defend a blatantly awful piece, or in rare cases, because it that applies in several parts of film making. To the Brickmobile! Quote
Luke McAwesome Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Well Indiana Jones tells Mutt to stand against the wall, he does it and steps on a thing that makes meteors hit the earth. Simple. Not really, how would a switch on the wall make meteors hit the Earth? (It would probably eliminate a boat-load of people...) Those were the fifties, they didn't have fancy machinery like remote controlled walruses like we do today, you know. Quote
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