Take a look at this Pirates sets. These represent the timeline, and change, of LEGO's most famous themes ever. Now, take a look at the sets now. Power Miners, Space Police, and in 2010, Atlantis. LEGO is easing off the historical aspect of the themes lately. Now, take a look at the 2009 Pirate sets. The historical aspect is easing off a bit, but they are STILL AWESOME! Do you think that LEGO really expected the Pirates to become a historical wonderworld (even for historical MOCs ) or just the regular good vs. evil? I think back then, the Pirates sets were much historical. The Islanders started to tip the boat, but then the Armada's lifted it up. Then, with the 2009 sets, the historical feel, to me, was only felt with the Royal Navy Imperials-included sets. What do you guys think? :pir-skull:

the historical feel isn't really a good selling point to 7 year olds, so play-ability takes center stage.

lego sets now stray from realism alot more than they used to.

to be historical the good vs bad becomes alot more complex and strange.

in my view pirates is much more about team 1 vs team 2 instead of good vs bad, on one hand you have the cut thougt pirates but on the other you have ruthless empires, lighten them up for children and you really cant say which is bad and which is good.

It used to be, as you can tell not all sets where based on stealing the loot. Pirates II sets however all seem to be based on stealing the loot. A Shipyard, tavern or dockside would be nice sets to balance it out.

Stauder.

Edited September 1, 200915 yr by Stauder

Well if you think about it. Just look at the 2009 Sets compared to the Old sets.

Eldorado Fortress has a really nice name "Eldorado", Very Spanish. And look at the Soldier's fort. Boring.

And look at the construction, In the 80's and 90's there sets were thoroughly designed and looked good. They had little grates to place your treasure in, they had doors and such. You look at the new Fort, It has a Prison that has a random breakable wall, a stick of Dynamite, and dynamite wasn't invented till 1867 and they would have Steam metal ships by then. And the Soldiers Fort isn't even big.

Im guessing that Eldorado Fortress was around $50 which is like £30 when it was realeased, And the Soldiers fort is £36, So your paying more for a smaller, more useless set, compared to the Eldorado Fortress. In the old days they made sets worth the money, made historical uniforms and such. Nowheredays they made the Shako decals to please our community, but they haven't really made any other historically accurate stuff...So anyway. No, Lego don't pinpoint the Historical Factor. They leave that up to us to create. They just make some Lego sets and for some reason everyone buys it and Lego think they are making a really good set, so they produce more sets of the same poor quality and think they can get away with it!

Thats my verdict.

I completely agree with Joey Lock, and I also want to say that there used to be a lot more bricks in the older sets so you could design you own forts and stuff.

Well Lego has to go with it's time. Lego's main goal is to sell sets, sets that are mostly (80%) bought and used by children.

Aim for Lego is to make their sets attractive to children, not to be historically accurate.

Of course sets have been simplified a bit opposed to a decade ago, materials and employment costs have risen and to keep the sets affordable they use less or bigger parts. I think the newer sets are a lot better then those some 8 years ago, when everything was made of big parts.

I honestly love the new figures and accessories in the new sets and they do provide me a wider range of parts to use to make my own Historically correct, or not so correct, MOC's.

Lego is still a toy, think about that my young Padawans.

they do provide me a wider range of parts to use to make my own Historically correct, or not so correct, MOC's.

Well we don't want it to be super historical accurate and everything. Like putting 4 Studs between cannon.

But all we really want from Lego is to supply us with Hulls, Masts, Cannon and Minifig accessories. Then Im fine.

Well we don't want it to be super historical accurate and everything. Like putting 4 Studs between cannon.

But all we really want from Lego is to supply us with Hulls, Masts, Cannon and Minifig accessories. Then Im fine.

4 studs is still too little, normally you would have a 3 stud wide porthole with about 7 to 8 studs in between portholes.

But offsetting portholes properly is a must on 2 or more gun deck ships.

And isn't Lego supplying what you just mentioned?

4 studs is still too little, normally you would have a 3 stud wide porthole with about 7 to 8 studs in between portholes.

But offsetting portholes properly is a must on 2 or more gun deck ships.

And isn't Lego supplying what you just mentioned?

But they are not supplying old Admiral Bicornes or the things I metioned in the New Parts thread. If they produce some of those, Especially the Metallic Silver Conquisitador Helmet (As in my Avatar), Then I shall be truly pleased!

Well if you think about it. Just look at the 2009 Sets compared to the Old sets.

Eldorado Fortress has a really nice name "Eldorado", Very Spanish. And look at the Soldier's fort. Boring.

And look at the construction, In the 80's and 90's there sets were thoroughly designed and looked good. They had little grates to place your treasure in, they had doors and such. You look at the new Fort, It has a Prison that has a random breakable wall, a stick of Dynamite, and dynamite wasn't invented till 1867 and they would have Steam metal ships by then. And the Soldiers Fort isn't even big.

Im guessing that Eldorado Fortress was around $50 which is like £30 when it was realeased, And the Soldiers fort is £36, So your paying more for a smaller, more useless set, compared to the Eldorado Fortress. In the old days they made sets worth the money, made historical uniforms and such. Nowheredays they made the Shako decals to please our community, but they haven't really made any other historically accurate stuff...So anyway. No, Lego don't pinpoint the Historical Factor. They leave that up to us to create. They just make some Lego sets and for some reason everyone buys it and Lego think they are making a really good set, so they produce more sets of the same poor quality and think they can get away with it!

Thats my verdict.

I agree 110%!

I am 18 this year and I din't have any of those classic pirates set. I really hope they will release some of the classic sets because I really hope to get LEGO pieces like, the Admiral's hat, the classic uniform, the admiral itself. Meanwhile, I get the new 2009 Brickbeard's Bounty, Loot Island, Soldier's Fort and lots of the impulse set. But, I still like the older/classic design like, Eldorado Fortress, Sabre Island, Imperial Trading Post, etc....

Personally I don't care about Lego being historically accurate!It all comes down to the quality of the sets they make for us to enjoy. One thing I'm dissapointed about is the lack of base plates, Lego has got away from using base plates they were the most important piece to the set. It would always provide a sturdy base for your fortress castle etc. Now when I go to pick up a Lego set now like soldiers fort the thing breaks all apart... I wish lego would spend more time on there own themes then the star wars, indy, and other licensed sets and go back to the old days and just make there own ideas like city, castle, pirates space etc! The new pirate theme so far is ok I own all the sets and there all decent. Just hope we can see some bigger and better sets for 2010

You can't really judge the theme yet since it just started, but I agree with Cheng, I being 19, am in a similar situation.

You look at the new Fort, It has a Prison that has a random breakable wall, a stick of Dynamite, and dynamite wasn't invented till 1867 and they would have Steam metal ships by then.

Well if you want to get nit picky.

I'm sorry but this sort of nit pickiness to me just ridiculous.

Im guessing that Eldorado Fortress was around $50 which is like £30 when it was realeased, And the Soldiers fort is £36, So your paying more for a smaller, more useless set, compared to the Eldorado Fortress. In the old days they made sets worth the money, made historical uniforms and such.

Which you can just use for your Napoleonic armies?

The uniforms were somewhat historical, but let's be honest here: The original sets had a historical setting to them but weren't that historical. No country ever had any flags like the blue or red coats. It's supposed to be what you want, not just some historical analogue. The problem is that you're just shoe horning all sets into a historical setting and obviously that's not what they are for.

Look at the SES: It has the Jolly Roger on its masts. No Pirate would ever do that. But why aren't you complaining?

Nowheredays they made the Shako decals to please our community, but they haven't really made any other historically accurate stuff...So anyway. No, Lego don't pinpoint the Historical Factor. They leave that up to us to create. They just make some Lego sets and for some reason everyone buys it and Lego think they are making a really good set, so they produce more sets of the same poor quality and think they can get away with it!

Thats my verdict.

So your verdict is that unless everything is historical, then you're not going to like it.

Again, you're just shoving every Pirate set into a historical setting, which obviously isn't how it works.

And historically, the forts like El Dorado would be pretty sizable, not small like it or the Soldier's Fort is.

My verdict? Drop the historical mindset and have fun. After all, that's what Lego is for, not for complaining about dynamite.

Sure historical stuff can be fun and I enjoy messing around with it, but when it gets in the way of actually being able to enjoy stuff, then it starts being a detriment.

I think LEGO created this theme for kids to have fun but obviously adults work for LEGO so they probably had fun with it and made it as real as possible so that kid's wouldn't loose interest.

It's a TOY, you're putting too much thought into it