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Plus you wouldn't want all that chrome to melt. :tongue:

remember: "Chrome won't get you home". :grin:

One of my long term goals is to remove as much chrome as possible.

Untill now I just have the primary cover replaced. But more is coming, or less, when talking about chrome.

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Ooooooh, looking forward to this surprise theotters!

L-space, I just giving you some fun willed grief. I just love talking with harley owners who are so in love with then, and look past the fact that they bought a $15,000 bike and paid another $5,000 for chrome parts, since most harleys come with very little chrome as everything is an optional premium.

Now most dealers order them all decked out, but that's besides the point.

Lol, this wasn't meant to be a harley rant, I actually really like them, I just don't like the way Harkey does business.

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they bought a $15,000 bike and paid another $5,000 for chrome parts.

But you know how they enjoy doing that. They would paid 5000 for a bike and another 15000 for the chrome...But hey, what is a harley without the chrome?

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But you know how they enjoy doing that. They would paid 5000 for a bike and another 15000 for the chrome...But hey, what is a harley without the chrome?

Very true.

On a different yet related note, did anyone else hear that Harley dropped Buell like a bad habit.

The line is completely being disolved, they aren't selling it or anything.

Kind of sad, I always wanted to get one as a second or thrid bike, but I am no where near that finacial level in my life so I guess I'll never get a new one.

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L-space, I just giving you some fun willed grief. I just love talking with harley owners who are so in love with then, and look past the fact that they bought a $15,000 bike and paid another $5,000 for chrome parts, since most harleys come with very little chrome as everything is an optional premium.

Now most dealers order them all decked out, but that's besides the point.

Lol, this wasn't meant to be a harley rant, I actually really like them, I just don't like the way Harkey does business.

Don't worry I can take a joke.

remember I drive a Harley. 1 mile eguals one hour of repair. :laugh:

I make fun of my bike as well. Sometimes I just call it my moped. :laugh:

Very true.

On a different yet related note, did anyone else hear that Harley dropped Buell like a bad habit.

The line is completely being disolved, they aren't selling it or anything.

Kind of sad, I always wanted to get one as a second or thrid bike, but I am no where near that finacial level in my life so I guess I'll never get a new one.

Hadn't heard it yet. I wonder why??

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You know, a $20,000 is a lot for a bike. I know it isn't news but you can buy a Honda CRF450X for about $12,000 (Australian Money for the dirty bike).

Any one of you in Australia that could tell me how to start motocrossing. I think you have to start in a club (not too bad, I'd love to join) and move up the ladder. Not sure though.

Thanks Big Cam on the advice, it may serve me well. I bet I'll pop the clutch though and end up resting on the rear wheel. Only going fast.

FINAL NOTE: Can you guys help me with a bike problem.

I am looking for a bike, probably a CRF100F, CRF150R, CRF150RB or an XR100R. I think I would probably get the CRF100F but I would should get the CRF150R instead. I might want to get into the competition soon so I need a bike that can do the hard yards and still be a fun bike to ride, pretty easy but I think the CRF150RB is too tall, maybe, I don't really know.

I think I should forget about the DR-Z125L? Should I?

Sorry about the questions but I need help on this one, I might also be riding the manual for the first time this weekend, wish me luck.

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The economy from what I heard, Buell was just a finacial burden apparently, I'll try to find an article when I get back from lunch.

Yep, I just read it, falling sales and the economy. Harley is taking over the warranty.

in the same article i read they are selling MV Augusta as well. So if anyone wants their own motorcycle factory, this is your chance. :look:

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in the same article i read they are selling MV Augusta as well. So if anyone wants their own motorcycle factory, this is your chance. :look:

If you ask me, that would be one of the most sound investments! MV needs to have its marketing sorted out but if done right, this could be one of the best and most sought-after bike brands - not in terms of actual sales, but in terms of desirability. After all, even now they have some of the best designs and engineering solutions - the only problem is that they're not really pushing for that exclusive brand image like they should.

Pity to see Buell go though. Especially seeing as I'm a huge fan of streetfighter designs... Guess when it comes to two wheels, you either are a Jap manufacturer and rest assured you'll always sell enough to cover your expenses, or if you produce bikes elsewhere, you're in for a gamble. On a brighter note, did you know that two of Germany's best riders recently bought MZ and are planning on producing a MotoGP-inspired 600cc? Sounds a bit like the Triumph story to me, minus the brand factor of course, but let's see how that will work out :)

P.S.: @CloneCommanderDelta7: If you're planning on doing serious off-road, don't go for those Hondas. They never had a reputation for building reliable off-road machines (and I'm NOT just saying this because I'm not a Honda fan). Kawasaki's line-up in that aspect gets better by the year and I'd recommend a KLX any day! The Husqvarna bikes are also a classic choice, if you can get your hands on one of those that is, and the CR 125 is the way to go there. Suzuki's DR-Z125 is also not a bad option, it has a good reputation and is sensibly priced... Whatever you choose, I wish you best of luck and lots of fun with it :) Even if you don't join a club, just finding local experienced riders might be enough of an incentive to learn and develop your skills.

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On a different yet related note, did anyone else hear that Harley dropped Buell like a bad habit.

The line is completely being disolved, they aren't selling it or anything.

Kind of sad, I always wanted to get one as a second or thrid bike, but I am no where near that finacial level in my life so I guess I'll never get a new one.

I've always thought Buell were neither fish nor fowl. If you wanted a Harley they weren't it. If you wanted a road bike you could get a more reliable, faster, better balanced and most likely cheaper bike from any of the Japanese companies, or probably the German or Italian or even British ones. I've never understood who bought Buells and even less why.

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I've never understood who bought Buells and even less why.

Two words: V-twin Streetfighter. Not a common combination at all and a very promising one - of course, provided that Buell'd had the engineering capacity to develop it, which they obviously didn't.

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Any one of you in Australia that could tell me how to start motocrossing. I think you have to start in a club (not too bad, I'd love to join) and move up the ladder. Not sure though.

I am looking for a bike, probably a CRF100F, CRF150R, CRF150RB or an XR100R. I think I would probably get the CRF100F but I would should get the CRF150R instead. I might want to get into the competition soon so I need a bike that can do the hard yards and still be a fun bike to ride, pretty easy but I think the CRF150RB is too tall, maybe, I don't really know.

I think I should forget about the DR-Z125L? Should I?

There is an newsgroup aus.motorcyles which you will find if you google for it. There's likely to be way more people who can give you good local advice on there than on a European Lego group :classic:

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FINAL NOTE: Can you guys help me with a bike problem.

I am looking for a bike, probably a CRF100F, CRF150R, CRF150RB or an XR100R. I think I would probably get the CRF100F but I would should get the CRF150R instead. I might want to get into the competition soon so I need a bike that can do the hard yards and still be a fun bike to ride, pretty easy but I think the CRF150RB is too tall, maybe, I don't really know.

I think I should forget about the DR-Z125L? Should I?

Sorry about the questions but I need help on this one, I might also be riding the manual for the first time this weekend, wish me luck.

Whatever brand you plan to buy, get something that you are comfortable on and is fun to ride. Deep down I want to tell you to get the 150 but I forget, how old are you and how tall? It makes a difference since if you have room to grow taller, your options open up.

If you want to be competitive I am sure they have different classes depending on the bike size, so don't think that if you get a 100 you'll be beaten by others with a 150, because they shouldn't put you in the same race. I would try to sit on different ones and see if you can handle a 150, I'd say if you can get your feet to the ground comfortably or you think you'll be able to very soon, I'd get the 150 since it will last you longer. I don't have a preferance on which bike brand but I'v owned a honda dirt bike, kawasaki dirt bike, Suzuki road bike and my current Yamaha road bike, and I've never had any problems with any of them, so don't let someone tell you one brand is going to be more reliable or better than another. All brands have won Motorcoss championships in the US but Honda and Kawasaki usually dominate, at least they did for years and years when I was a teenager.

P.S.: @CloneCommanderDelta7: If you're planning on doing serious off-road, don't go for those Hondas. They never had a reputation for building reliable off-road machines (and I'm NOT just saying this because I'm not a Honda fan). Kawasaki's line-up in that aspect gets better by the year and I'd recommend a KLX any day! The Husqvarna bikes are also a classic choice, if you can get your hands on one of those that is, and the CR 125 is the way to go there. Suzuki's DR-Z125 is also not a bad option, it has a good reputation and is sensibly priced... Whatever you choose, I wish you best of luck and lots of fun with it :) Even if you don't join a club, just finding local experienced riders might be enough of an incentive to learn and develop your skills.

Then why are you saying that? Do you have any facts to back that statement up? Honda has a great reputation for building reliable everything. Their dirtbikes are no exception. Reliability is synonomis with the name Honda. I've had many friends with Honda dirtbikes and we rode for years together, just gas them up and make sure there is oil in and go. I have no problem with you disliking Honda, I just don't want you to fill someone elses head with false facts.

Like I said before, don't listen to us on which brand to get, get whatever you like, any of the big four brands will be so comparable that you won't be able to tell the difference in performance.

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Cam, I think you need to calm down a bit.

First off, I'm definitely not filling anyone's head with anything, just sharing my opinion. I try my best not to sound like a know-it-all and if I sometimes do, it's probably in areas where I know my facts and digits. Bikes are not governed by facts and digits, personal preference is of utmost importance in that area/ market, and so sharing opinions is a natural thing, with noone's opinion good enough to be deemed final. The fact that I'm not a fan of Honda does not in any way mean that I don't like their motorcycles, especially some models. I think you failed to see the difference there, and are hence being a bit _too_ judgemental.

By the way, statements such as "Reliability is synonymous with the name Honda" are what I'd call biased by your definition. All of the top bike brands are very reliable and that is a fact. What's even more of a fact is that reliability depends on the rider, and not the bike.

That said, I recommended Kawasaki precisely since they are the only brand you could say has actually "dominated" the AMA Motocross Championship. While the 250cc class may be rather equally divided with 3 wins to Kawa, Honda and Suzuki each within the past 10 years, in the 125cc category only KTM and Suzuki have managed a win inbetween lengthy periods of Kawasaki domination. Those are facts as you requested.

Furthermore, I also have a lot of offroad-riding friends (in fact, most of my biker buddies prefer off-road riding) and while each of them has their own preferences, almost all of them own a Kawasaki as a back-up or primary off-road motorcycle. That tells me a lot about those bikes' reliability.

Now that we've cleared that up, I do hope I haven't been misunderstood - I'm not vouching for Kawasaki or KTM or Husqvarna or any other brand. I'm not saying Honda is a bad brand either (what insane person would ever say that anyway?!). No hurt feelings, I hope. But I totally subscribe to that last thing you said there. When one buys an off-road bike, they have to make sure it fits their own style and at the end of the day that's the only thing that matters. Peace!

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Ok guys, everybody of course has his or her favourite brand, type of bike etc.

But i will not tolerate it if we start flaming brands and especially personal likings of other members.

It is ok to say that you like a certain bike or brand, explaining what experiences you had with it. But let the advertising up to the brand itself ok?

Let's keep this a cool discussion, don't make me step in please.

We should all be above 18 in this one. :grin:

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Cam, I think you need to calm down a bit.

First off, I'm definitely not filling anyone's head with anything, just sharing my opinion. I try my best not to sound like a know-it-all and if I sometimes do, it's probably in areas where I know my facts and digits. Bikes are not governed by facts and digits, personal preference is of utmost importance in that area/ market, and so sharing opinions is a natural thing, with noone's opinion good enough to be deemed final. The fact that I'm not a fan of Honda does not in any way mean that I don't like their motorcycles, especially some models. I think you failed to see the difference there, and are hence being a bit _too_ judgemental.

By the way, statements such as "Reliability is synonymous with the name Honda" are what I'd call biased by your definition. All of the top bike brands are very reliable and that is a fact. What's even more of a fact is that reliability depends on the rider, and not the bike.

That said, I recommended Kawasaki precisely since they are the only brand you could say has actually "dominated" the AMA Motocross Championship. While the 250cc class may be rather equally divided with 3 wins to Kawa, Honda and Suzuki each within the past 10 years, in the 125cc category only KTM and Suzuki have managed a win inbetween lengthy periods of Kawasaki domination. Those are facts as you requested.

Furthermore, I also have a lot of offroad-riding friends (in fact, most of my biker buddies prefer off-road riding) and while each of them has their own preferences, almost all of them own a Kawasaki as a back-up or primary off-road motorcycle. That tells me a lot about those bikes' reliability.

Now that we've cleared that up, I do hope I haven't been misunderstood - I'm not vouching for Kawasaki or KTM or Husqvarna or any other brand. I'm not saying Honda is a bad brand either (what insane person would ever say that anyway?!). No hurt feelings, I hope. But I totally subscribe to that last thing you said there. When one buys an off-road bike, they have to make sure it fits their own style and at the end of the day that's the only thing that matters. Peace!

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I don't want to argue and I didn't mean to come off as harsh I just disagree with you and certain statements such as this one "They never had a reputation for building reliable off-road machines (and I'm NOT just saying this because I'm not a Honda fan)" make it sound like it's a fact that Honda's are un-reliable.

I feel you should have said, in my experience and my friends experience, Honda dirt bikes have been proven un-reliable. But you made it sound like this is a well known fact among everyone, which isn't true.

Anyway, I didn't mean to sound like I was talking down to you, I just thought your wording was misleading.

CloneCommander, don't listen to any of us, sit on every bike you can, test ride them if they'll let you. Personal preferance is the most important thing, making sure you are comfortable and like the bike. :classic:

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Wow, brand wars...

Hope no one will be too much ofended at the end of this debate...

CloneCommanderDelta7, in my experience, and like guys said, all of the top brands are great bikes, and you wouldn't make a mistake by choosing any top bike manufacturer.

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Hmmm. A civilized argument can be expected in areas where people are as passionate about products as motorcycles. That said, I don't think anyone was flaming or advertising anything or anybody, CGH. :sadnew:

Big Cam, all good :). I didn't think anyone would have been so sensitive to my words ("take most, if not anything people say with a pinch of salt" is a personal motto of mine which is best applied for my own words, obviously :P). In hindsight, you're absolutely right about that "never had a reputation" rant and I appologise to you and all Honda fans who've felt offended by that. However, I've grown used to discussing bikes in that cheeky "red ones are quicker, green ones are uglier, etc." way, which is how you'd discuss motorcycles with your mates. Guess it isn't always applicable online, but you (or anyone else, for that matter) shouldn't be offended so easily, I never mean anything to come out that way :sweet:

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Hmmm. A civilized argument can be expected in areas where people are as passionate about products as motorcycles. That said, I don't think anyone was flaming or advertising anything or anybody, CGH. :sadnew:

Big Cam, all good :). I didn't think anyone would have been so sensitive to my words ("take most, if not anything people say with a pinch of salt" is a personal motto of mine which is best applied for my own words, obviously :P). In hindsight, you're absolutely right about that "never had a reputation" rant and I appologise to you and all Honda fans who've felt offended by that. However, I've grown used to discussing bikes in that cheeky "red ones are quicker, green ones are uglier, etc." way, which is how you'd discuss motorcycles with your mates. Guess it isn't always applicable online, but you (or anyone else, for that matter) shouldn't be offended so easily, I never mean anything to come out that way :sweet:

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As a "peace pipe" (tho I hope that's not required - smoking is bad for ya :P), I offer thee... my signature :]

Hope you guys enjoy it, seeing this here thread was part of the inspiration which brought about my latest minifig-scale bike.

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My Local Police Department just impounded a Hubusa (sp?). Was clocked at 203mph buy a police airplane. Guy was hauling a$$ at 3:00am coming home from work. Cops caught up to him at his house.

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Well, enough of Harley talk as it looks like Toyota is keen to get into the motocross business. Say hello to the JGR/Toyota Concept Bike.

It is derived from a Yammie YZ450F and started modifying it from there. It has clocked up almost 100 hours and looks great too. With over 17 contributers for parts, it looks like Toyota has taken an interest, a big interest.

It can only get better from here. Dirt Action Australia, article about the concept JGR/Toyota joint project. One helluva bike.

If, one of the biggest manufacturer of cars makes it into this market and uses their resources well, I bet many people would venture to ride one, or even buy one. I know I would. Even if Honda may be my bike loyalty brand (I can't change it, they're so reliable) I would still buy one if they do a good job.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/toyotausa/4072882008/sizes/l/

Choose original if you want the extreme 5000 by 4000 pixel picture with excellant detail.

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My Local Police Department just impounded a Hubusa (sp?). Was clocked at 203mph buy a police airplane. Guy was hauling a$$ at 3:00am coming home from work. Cops caught up to him at his house.

As this is possible, it is also very unlikely. They probably guessed his speed relative to the helicopter speed, or by comparing his times past certain markers. The Hayabusa can hit 200mph but that's damn near the top of it's range and not alot of roads allow that kind of speed due to bumps or curves. Do you have a link to the article from your papers website? I'd like to read the article.

BTW I'm not calling you a liar, I'm calling out the Police Departments clocking ability.

Well, enough of Harley talk as it looks like Toyota is keen to get into the motocross business. Say hello to the JGR/Toyota Concept Bike.

It is derived from a Yammie YZ450F and started modifying it from there. It has clocked up almost 100 hours and looks great too. With over 17 contributers for parts, it looks like Toyota has taken an interest, a big interest.

It can only get better from here. Dirt Action Australia, article about the concept JGR/Toyota joint project. One helluva bike.

If, one of the biggest manufacturer of cars makes it into this market and uses their resources well, I bet many people would venture to ride one, or even buy one. I know I would. Even if Honda may be my bike loyalty brand (I can't change it, they're so reliable) I would still buy one if they do a good job.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/toyotausa/4072882008/sizes/l/

Choose original if you want the extreme 5000 by 4000 pixel picture with excellant detail.

Hmm, this isn't actually a Toyota Motorcycle, it's a Yamaha that Joe Gibbs tweaked for Toyota. If you read the whole article, there is engine is still Yamaha's as well as alot of other untocuhed pieces. This would be like taking a stock Yamaha to a bike cutomization place and telling them all the changes you want, it doesn't make it a different bike.

"The Joe Gibbs Racing Motocross/Toyota (JGRMX/Toyota) Concept Bike is a special one-of-a-kind project built specifically for the 2009 SEMA show."

To me this looks like onf of those random concepts that won't ever go anywhere. I have always wondered why Toyota never got into the Motorcycle business, but I don't think this bike will ever be produced as the licensing fees they would have to pay Yamaha would be too great.

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My Local Police Department just impounded a Hubusa (sp?). Was clocked at 203mph buy a police airplane. Guy was hauling a$$ at 3:00am coming home from work. Cops caught up to him at his house.
As this is possible, it is also very unlikely. They probably guessed his speed relative to the helicopter speed, or by comparing his times past certain markers. The Hayabusa can hit 200mph but that's damn near the top of it's range and not alot of roads allow that kind of speed due to bumps or curves. Do you have a link to the article from your papers website? I'd like to read the article.

Well, it is possible, there are bunch of youtube videos with guys showing of at 200mph, or running from police at the same speed...

Only problem, lack of straight roads, and other people blocking roads...

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Well, it is possible, there are bunch of youtube videos with guys showing of at 200mph, or running from police at the same speed...

Only problem, lack of straight roads, and other people blocking roads...

I agree 100%, at night 200mph is just plain dumb. 140mph during the day on a smooth interstate scares me. You have to be on your tippy toes and every little bump is a full on incident. I hit 145mph once and that's enough for me, I don't think I'll ever see the top end of my bike which is supposed to be around 160mph

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