By The Fans, For The Fans: The Great Spirit Set

[-Tilius-]

But that isn't what Bionicle, or Lego for that matter, is aimed at. And we both know that. Besides a large majority of AFOLs don't like Bionicle, so if you made a large Robot made primarily of Bionicle pieces, while cool it may be, they won't buy it because it is just Bionicle.

If Lego release a bloody awesome big set made of System, AFOLs will buy it. Plenty of AFOLs buy Spongebob - I'm sure they'd buy a big Bionicle set.

You would have to speak with Black Six. BZP doesn't get involved with petitions because that isn't what BZP is for. They aren't there to sway the decisions of Lego. They are there to discuss what Lego decides. However petitions are not entirely banned on BZP. You need approval of a Forum Leader of the particular forum (in the case of Voting Booth, it would be Smeag). But Tilius didn't have approval at all.

-Omi

The topic wasn't a petition topic. It was research.

And thanks for looking into it, Siegfried.

- Tilius

Edited December 4, 2009 by -Tilius-

[Omicron]

If Lego release a bloody awesome big set made of System, AFOLs will buy it. Plenty of AFOLs buy Spongebob - I'm sure they'd buy a big Bionicle set.

And the -only- people who can afford it, is well those AFOLs that go out and buy big sets.

The topic wasn't a petition topic. It was research.

Call it what you want, it became a petition, with some help.

And if this isn't a petition, why was it referred to as an "appeal" organized by you on EB News.

So if you were doing research in gathering statistics, what would they be used for?

-Omi

[-Tilius-]

And the -only- people who can afford it, is well those AFOLs that go out and buy big sets.

Fine - slightly smaller, for the price of Skopio, say.

Call it what you want, it became a petition, with some help.

Just because somebody calls it a petition, it doesn't make it one. Anyway, the topic wasn't a petition topic.

And if this isn't a petition, why was it referred to as an "appeal" organized by you on EB News.

See above.

So if you were doing research in gathering statistics, what would they be used for?

-Omi

General interest.

- Tilius

Edited December 4, 2009 by -Tilius-

[McSmeag]

McSmeag - Would you be the person to discuss with BZP's policy against petitions? I see that you were following the policy when you closed it, but I don't see how BZP believes that it's involvement with this particular campaign is a bad thing.

If you think you have a 'cause' that's worth getting permission to bend the rules for, then you should contact the staff before you post it. That's just common sense.

In this case, since the topic serving as data collection specifically for the petition (and thus inexorably part of the petition itself) was in the Voting Booth, so you should have contacted me and asked permission before posting it, as I am the Forum Leader of the Voting Booth (which is clearly marked on the forums). Again, common sense.

As for whether or not Lego approve of petitions, that's entirely beside the point. We don't want to be associated with them - so it's just common decency not to bring petitions (including data collection for a petition) to the site of people who have specifically asked you (as part of the membership in general) not to bring them there. I support lengthy discourses on Yann Martel, but I don't post them in the Bionicle forum here on EuroBricks, because they've asked us just to talk about Bionicle here. Common decency.

[-Tilius-]

And would you have approved it if I'd asked?

Anyway, I was aware of that rule, which was why I didn't present it as a petition. Only when I had found there was a lot of support did it begin to be a petition - by then the ball was already rolling.

- Tilius

[McSmeag]

And would you have approved it if I'd asked?

I don't see how that's relevant, and honestly I'm a little unnerved by your implication there. "It's something I might not approve, so posting it and breaking the rules is the course of action to take"? Please tell me that's not what you're saying. o_O;

But either way, it is irrelevant, because whether or not I would approve it doesn't change the fact that you should have asked first. And if I hadn't approved, you shouldn't have posted it, because it was against the rules.

Anyway, I was aware of that rule, which was why I didn't present it as a petition. Only when I had found there was a lot of support did it begin to be a petition - by then the ball was already rolling.

Posting a topic to gather data for a petition is still part of a petition. And if you were aware of the no-petition rule, then you should not have let it keep running on BZ as a petition. Even if is started out as something innocuous, once it turned into a petition, you were fully aware it was now breaking the rules (and, thus, you were breaking the rules), by your own admission.

You're pulling this off-topic, more to 'the poll on BZ' than the purpose of this topic here on EB. I'm going to ask you to continue this via PM if you have anything more to say, please.