2010 Train Sets

[DaCheese]

which is a BR Class 92 if I'm not mistaken.

Having done some quick research, spot on! Further proof that I don't know my diesels and electrics.

I have to say, the passenger train looks nicer in the new picture. The cab design's much better looking than I had previously thought.

[Melfice]

I see speculation about which real life locomotive the freight train's been based on, but no such speculation for the passenger train? Sad Melfice.

In my eye, the passenger train seems to be loosely based on the Bombadier Talbot Talent, except LEGO made it an EMU instead of a DMU.

I've never been a big LEGO train fan, but these new sets make me a bit giddy inside. I might actually crack, and buy a set, or two (Financial status permitting).

Edited February 23, 2010 by Melfice

[Ashi Valkoinen]

In my eye, the passenger train seems to be loosely based on the Bombadier Talbot Talent, except LEGO made it an EMU instead of a DMU.

Bombardier Talent was also designed as an EMU. 10 of them running in Hungary, and hundreds of them in Austria.

[Melfice]

Bombardier Talent was also designed as an EMU. 10 of them running in Hungary, and hundreds of them in Austria.

You are correct, and I stand very well corrected.

I don't know how, but I completely missed that part in the Wikipedia page.

I hang my head in shame, as a train enthusiast.

In my defence, the Netherlands does not use this type of train, and I've only seen the DMU variant run between Enschede and Münster and Dortmund.

Edited February 23, 2010 by Melfice

[3D LEGO]

Hey so I have a question:

1st, is the lower dark gray part of the locomotive cab on the freight electric locomotive a new piece/rendition of the old part used on the Metroliner/Yellow-black high speed train? Or is it already used somewhere else.

And about the passenger train being like the Talent, here is the longer EMU version built by Bombardier that is used in Austria:

But the paint job is DB!

Edited February 23, 2010 by 3D LEGO

[psychowes]

Anyone else noticed similarites between the new passenger train and:

I was thinking the same thing!

[Ashi Valkoinen]

By the way, I think that this new passanger train isn't based on Bombardier Talent, but on the DB 425/435 as I wrote two months ago.

Talent is an ULF EMU with Jacobian boogies, this lego train don't have low floor and Jacobian boogies. It's similar to the RC passanger train, the same construction (and with no doors) and with different colors. I don't think that it is a good set for MOCer (it's not good as a train, but it's worth because of the parts contained), but kids will love it.

[Melfice]

By the way, I think that this new passanger train isn't based on Bombardier Talent, but on the DB 425/435 as I wrote two months ago.

Talent is an ULF EMU with Jacobian boogies, this lego train don't have low floor and Jacobian boogies. It's similar to the RC passanger train, the same construction (and with no doors) and with different colors. I don't think that it is a good set for MOCer (it's not good as a train, but it's worth because of the parts contained), but kids will love it.

I know better than to closely look at the shape of LEGO that's supposed to represent, or is based off, real vehicles, but the nose of the LEGO train is too sharp to be the 425.

Still, good point on the Jacobs bogies.

A mix between the Talent and 425?

Sound like a good compromise? ;)

[Ashi Valkoinen]

A mix between the Talent and 425?

Sound like a good compromise? ;)

425 and TALENT 2?

Image:

[lightningtiger]

I've a gone a hunting and found this Western Australian train......

Another fusion of many different designs this new train comming in August may contain.

I'm a conformist! !

[ZueriHB]

Seeing all those train photos, I think it's just a generic communer EMU with a sloped front (brickbuilt!) and, I think mostly because of building difficulty, seperate boogies / wagons.

[DaCheese]

I suspect that, although it's entertaining to discuss inspiration for these new sets, like the Emerald Night neither train is based on a single prototype. Lego designers are excellent at turning the stuff we see every day in life into a fairly accurate brick-built form, but I'd hazard a guess that the people who came up with these aren't train nuts. It's far easier to take inspiration from a variety of sources and make something that looks believeable than it is to try copying enough details from a single design to make it recognisable. Also, the Trains range is sold globally, or at least over multiple continents, so they need to appeal to Lego fans in Europe and the US. We all know the Emerald looks a lot like the Flying Scotsman and Tornado, but the latter is one of only a few British locos that have electric lighting on board, and snow ploughs or cow catchers are not commonly seen here. Without these details 10194 probably wouldn't be so popular anywhere else.

[Fugazi]

I suspect that, although it's entertaining to discuss inspiration for these new sets, like the Emerald Night neither train is based on a single prototype. Lego designers are excellent at turning the stuff we see every day in life into a fairly accurate brick-built form, but I'd hazard a guess that the people who came up with these aren't train nuts. It's far easier to take inspiration from a variety of sources and make something that looks believeable than it is to try copying enough details from a single design to make it recognisable. Also, the Trains range is sold globally, or at least over multiple continents, so they need to appeal to Lego fans in Europe and the US. We all know the Emerald looks a lot like the Flying Scotsman and Tornado, but the latter is one of only a few British locos that have electric lighting on board, and snow ploughs or cow catchers are not commonly seen here. Without these details 10194 probably wouldn't be so popular anywhere else.

Good point. Not to mention copyright issues: when Lego wants to copy a Ferrari, a Lamborghini or a Star Wars ship, they have to buy a license to do it. Copying exact locomotive prototypes would probably mean TLC getting in trouble with the manufacturers for unauthorized use of their designs. It's much safer to freelance a realistic looking model without coming too close to anything in particular.

[CommanderFox]

WOW! That was one Impressive setup they had at legoworld. I wish I had been there.

The new sets look good!

CommanderFox

[lightningtiger]

I found these on Flickr from that train display again...........

I'm a conformist! !

[Thrawnseg]

I found these on Flickr from that train display again...........

While this might seem a bit strange, it seems they laid the track right on the baseplates. I've never found that to work, as the curves always sit higher up and it doesn't look good. But thiers look almost normal in the pictures (or maybe the angle just doesn't show them higher...)

[peterab]

I found these on Flickr from that train display again...........

Nice Find, it looks like the top photo shows the container from the red truck can be put on a flat car.

I'm really looking forward to these train sets. The only set I'm not sure about getting in the passenger train, and if that includes the rechargable battery it will probably be good enough value to tip me towards buying it purely as a parts pack.

Edited to remove double post.

Edited February 27, 2010 by peterab

[Klaus-Dieter]

Thank you all very much for the new pics!

Train Station:

-realistic looking pedestrian bridge

-taxi

-no decent train station building (this building is really a bad joke)

-no doors inside the taxi

The new "Train Station" is definitely not a set I would have awaited to be released in the line of the (in the majotiy) much better, much more classical and civilian oriented City sets of this and last year! It's a step backwards to the <insert that tiresome argument> sets of the late ninetees til 2005.

Passenger Train:

-very realistic style

-supposably only three minifigures

-no doors (at least TLG could have done some stickers that it looks like if there are doors )

This passenger train is a big improvement in comparison to the last version. It looks much more realistic and much less <insert that tiresome argument>.

The only two things I miss are more passengers and doors to get inside the train.

Cargo Train:

-cargo loading station

-container truck

-two extra Smarts

-very realistic looking engine and waggons

-no doors inside the engine (at least TLG could have done some stickers that it looks like if there are doors )

-no doors inside the containers

This cargo train is really an excellent (cargo) train set - mainly since it does not only include the train itself but even a cargo loading station (we've been waiting for since more than half a decade). Besides it even includes some very nice waggons we haven't seen for long, too: the container waggon and mainly the tank waggon are brilliant.

The only two things which disturb me are that the engine includes no doors and that the containers include no doors.

For next year we really need a car loading station (for the Smarts to get on the train) and a depot.

Klaus-Dieter

Edited March 1, 2010 by Klaus-Dieter

[Melfice]

*snip*

Regarding your comments on the station.

Think of it like this: Instead of a single platform, you now have two plus a pass-over.

Also, think of it more as a supplement to the older stations.

Rather than a full station, you could use it to extend the older ones OR as a smaller station that serves the same city.

Also, a link to a similar type of station in the Netherlands: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_Hengelo_Oost

Directly behind the camera is another platform like it. It's certainly not an unrealistic idea for a station.

Hengelo Oost (Oost meaning East) is the second station for that city, about 5 minutes from the main station.

[*thomas*]

anyone noticed that in the third photo from the previous page (flickr) the passanger train has 2 (two) 9V motors...

[MojoLego]

anyone noticed that in the third photo from the previous page (flickr) the passanger train has 2 (two) 9V motors...

I'm a complete amateur so please excuse my reply, but based on:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/KC/Event...orld2010/17.jpg

might the motor unit be an 8866 with the o-rings showing? Everything else about the train and layout seems to be PF.

Whatever they are, there are two of them.

Rob

[*thomas*]

on the brickshelf pic i can only see 1 motor

but on the flickr photo's i can see 1 motor in each engine :)

[Melfice]

I'm figuring they DO have two motors under the train, both linked to one motor-block.

I don't know why; maybe they just wanted some extra power there?

[Captain Zuloo]

I would say it has to do with running it on an AFOL layout, don't get your hopes up for 2 motors in the set.

[lightningtiger]

Why would the red train comming have two motors, when the cargo train is much larger and must pull a bigger, longer and of course heavier load - shouldn't that have two motors ?

I'm a conformist! !