2010 Train Sets

[MojoLego]

The more I look at the photos, the more I think the second "motor" is really a look-alike. Examining the freight engine, I see that it appears that all of its wheels have o-rings as well, though the construction of the truck is different fore and aft (or whatever the appropriate train terminology is; my apologies). Note the technic pins between the axles on the dummy. See:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/warrenelsmore...57623478006558/

I am guessing that Lego has gone for symmetry and that if these sets truly represent what is coming, both trains will have at least one non-motor bogie that uses technic axles and wheels with o-rings. In the freight train it will all be on the engine (i.e., a motor and a look-alike bogie); in the passenger train, the non-powered end of the train will be made to look like the powered end. But why use o-ring wheels in a non-powered bogie instead of the usual wheels? An expedient for Legoworld? Less expensive? Good to have more o-ring wheels for when the ones on the motor wear out?

Rob

Edited March 1, 2010 by MojoLego

[Dan-147]

I think that the use of the train wheels with the O-rings and technic axles has more to do with the use of the train motor decorative side. The 9-volt motor (and therefore the present motor) is a hold-over from the original 12-volt train motor. The wheel axles on this motor are off-set by half a stud from the present train wheelsets.

That means that the new train sets will have four train motor decorative sides each. For me, this is good news since the decorative sides were no longer included with the new motors bought seperately.

Dan-147

[MojoLego]

That means that the new train sets will have four train motor decorative sides each. For me, this is good news since the decorative sides were no longer included with the new motors bought seperately.

Dan-147

In these photos, does the decorative side on the motor look the same as what is on the dummy bogie? One appears to be the usual one, and the dummy is, well, I can't tell. It has got o-ring wheels, technic pins between the axles.... Not sure what to make of it.

Rob

[legotrainfan]

Though I'm buying none of the new train sets, I really like the tanker waggon of the freight train. It has the right dimensions compared to Tanker 10016, which was just too big for my taste. But it still looks nice when it is pulled by the BNSF locomotive.

[legoboy3998]

In regards to the dummy bogie, the wheels for the new train motor (with o-rings) and the wheels that accept cross axels are the same, and I believe come with o-rings alreadin installed. Therefore, the reason for the o-rings on the dummy bogie wheels is simply because the wheels come from Lego with the o-rings on them.

In regards to the decorative side frames, I hope the train sets come with 4 that would make them much more worth buying. and I hope Lego includes the sideframes with the new train motors too. On that note anyone know anything about there being an alltogether new train motor for these sets? I had heard it was possibly new, and based on the prelim. pics on the boxes, the motors appear to come with a wire, possibly wired direct oth the motor like the M and XL motors?

[MojoLego]

In regards to the decorative side frames, I hope the train sets come with 4 that would make them much more worth buying. and I hope Lego includes the sideframes with the new train motors too.

Okay, I see it now. There are indeed four decorative sides. They are clear in these photos in blow-up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerth6000/438...57623364733969/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerth6000/438...57623364733969/

And the dummy bogies are Technic built. The Technic beam allows for the extra half-stud that the motor has, yes?

Rob

[Klaus-Dieter]

Since I'm not that much in trains:

Do you think that it would be possible to buy a rechargeable battery and include it in these trains without having to put away some part of the interior (meaning not like in the Emerald Night where you had to put away the whole "interior" of the driver's cab and to use the whole tender only in order to run it with the motor and the rechargeable battery)?

So you would not always have to buy new batteries but run the trains with the rechargeable battery.

Klaus-Dieter

[Dan-147]

Since I'm not that much in trains:

Do you think that it would be possible to buy a rechargeable battery and include it in these trains without having to put away some part of the interior (meaning not like in the Emerald Night where you had to put away the whole "interior" of the driver's cab and to use the whole tender only in order to run it with the motor and the rechargeable battery)?

So you would not always have to buy new batteries but run the trains with the rechargeable battery.

Klaus-Dieter

From what I understand, The rechargable battery will be included wuth these trains; at least I hope I got that right. If this is the case, the battery should be part of the interior furnishings (the motor will be in the trucks).

I understandwhat you mean about the Emerald Night. I haven't motorized mine yet because I dislike having to choose between an interior for the cab and a motor. I want to fit a 9-volt technic motor I have hanging around in the boiler so that I can have the best of both worlds but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Dan-147

Edited March 7, 2010 by Dan-147

[Klaus-Dieter]

From whung's BS gallery:

Thank you very much for these pics, whung!

Now when looking at the new "Train Station" I like it more than before. You only can't judge it under the aspect of being a decent train station (like supposably not only I but the most of us would have liked to get) but only a train stop. But for a train stop it's really ok. The only thing with which I have got problems is that you can get from two platforms to only one track - shouldn't there be two tracks between the platforms?!

Can you identify what's behind the right seat (looking yellow) in the small hut? Am I right or did TLG really forget to include a door in the hut? And can you detect whether there are (hopefully) doors in the taxi or not?

The train level crossing is nothing spectacular but really ok.

The Passenger Train looks awesome - it's really a pity that there is only that a small platform and only two passengers included.

The Cargo Train is for sure the best set of the whole new Train line - simply amazing ! Mainly the cartgo loading station, the engine and the tank waggon are brilliant. The only thing I don't like in this set that TLG - again like in the last Cargo Harbor set from 2007 - did not include any doors in the containers and (so very supposably) even no cargo stuff. I thought that with TLG re-introducing the car doors they surely will add doors to containers, too.

Klaus-Dieter

Edited March 21, 2010 by Klaus-Dieter

[Holodoc]

The only thing with which I have got problems is that you can get from two platforms to only one track - shouldn't there be two tracks between the platforms?!

What about placing the second track on the other side of the platform?

I have to agree, it would be more realistic if it was two tracks next to each other, but TLG has never produced something like this.

[lightningtiger]

G'day everyone.

Cool that unwatermarked photos are here now, yep one cargo train and one crossing with cool repair truck is already on the shopping list.

Now I would say making the bridge longer across two tracks would be easy and requiring only a little re-enforcement to stop it from making it on 'Destroyed In Seconds' !

The train station itself is simple and it might be what kids want.

I'm a conformist! everyone !

[Klaus-Dieter]

What about placing the second track on the other side of the platform?

I have to agree, it would be more realistic if it was two tracks next to each other, but TLG has never produced something like this.

Well, that would be a good opportunity, Holodoc!

But - like you already stated - it nevertheless would disturb. Firstly I don't like to change a set (I strictly seperate between official sets and MOCs) and secondly it still would be unrealistic: I can not remember having seen any train station - even not a subway station - where you can get inside a train from both sides.

Btw:

When you look at the (supposably now really) final box arts you can see that firstly TLG really seems to include some flexible tracks in the new train sets and that secondly there is a new battery box included in the two trains which looks very similar to the rechargeable battery box. So I have got two questions:

1. Do you think that TLG will actually include the rechargeable battery in these train sets?

2. If not it will be very easy to include that rechargeable battery instead of the regular battery box in this set since they are about the same size, don't you think?

3. Since the new (?) batters box seems to be very tall: Do you, too, think that this battery box will - together with the infrared sensor - be placed behind the front "cockpit" (in which in the picture the driver sits)?

Klaus-Dieter

Edited March 21, 2010 by Klaus-Dieter

[lightningtiger]

Hmm...., what about this......

Now I know it's an old photo but it clearly shows a platform on either side of both tracks.

Well I'll make another comment - what about that other platform going between two tracks, a third platform would be a bus/taxi hailling point - of course it means buying two stations to do it but I feel it would look real cool !

I'm a conformist! everyone !

[Klaus-Dieter]

Hmm...., what about this......

Now I know it's an old photo but it clearly shows a platform on either side of both tracks.

Yes, lightningtiger, but you even see the difference between this station and the one TLG designed:

In this station there are two tracks between the two platforms - and that is really common.

But in TLG's station there is only (space for) one track between the two platforms.

Klaus-Dieter

[lightningtiger]

Quote 'But in TLG's station there is only (space for) one track between the two platforms.'

Then make it longer, a large plate, some small ones, tiles and a little extra support like a well positioned plate either end of the new piece would do the trick. Plus if you follow what a wrote before two station sets would give you a bus/taxi stop, centre platform and station house platform to buy your tickets.

I'm a conformist! everyone !

[Melfice]

Now when looking at the new "Train Station" I like it more than before. You only can't judge it under the aspect of being a decent train station (like supposably not only I but the most of us would have liked to get) but only a train stop. But for a train stop it's really ok. The only thing with which I have got problems is that you can get from two platforms to only one track - shouldn't there be two tracks between the platforms?!

Can you identify what's behind the right seat (looking yellow) in the small hut? Am I right or did TLG really forget to include a door in the hut? And can you detect whether there are (hopefully) doors in the taxi or not?

I present to you: Oldenzaal Trainstation in the Netherlands from the cab of the Syntus operated LINT 41.

In ye olden* days (around the 1970's), you could board the train from both sides (assuming the Dutch Railways (NS) still allowed that; see further down) since there was no fence on platform 2 to actually prevent that. Nowadays there's a black fence running the entire length of platform 2 on the side of platform 1's track.

At some point in time, though, the NS actually did not allow doors on both sides of the train to unlock, regardless of whether there was a platform there.

More generally, you'll see this kind of station layout on stations that have a cul-de-sac, though that depends, of course, on how many tracks terminate in said cul-de-sac. Almelo station (also the Netherlands) has a cul-de-sac with a platform on both sides, with one side fenced off.

* Ooh! Witty!

_{Disclaimer: The photo was found on www.nlwandel.nl and rehosted on ImageShack. I do not know who took the picture, however I do not claim to own the picture and all rights belong to the owner.}

[lightningtiger]

That looks interesting 'Melfice' and thanks now I can plan the positioning of my signals with my station and freight platform.

I feel to Lego is trying to aim at more realistic sets because that is what kids want, plus standard (non-Lego) trains layouts are based on some real anyway.

I'm a conformist! everyone !

[Melfice]

That looks interesting 'Melfice' and thanks now I can plan the positioning of my signals with my station and freight platform.

I feel to Lego is trying to aim at more realistic sets because that is what kids want, plus standard (non-Lego) trains layouts are based on some real anyway.

I'm a conformist! everyone !

I have no idea if they have similar signals where you're from, but do you see those white triangles, low to the ground, in the right of the photo?

Those are dwarf signals. Mostly used within (larger) stations and shunting areas.

I have no idea exactly how realistic you want to go, but always an idea to keep in mind, yes?

But, uh... let me not derail the thread any further, lest I get smacked with the banhammer.

Edited March 22, 2010 by Melfice

[Brickthus]

Well, that would be a good opportunity, Holodoc!

But - like you already stated - it nevertheless would disturb. Firstly I don't like to change a set (I strictly separate between official sets and MOCs) and secondly it still would be unrealistic: I can not remember having seen any train station - even not a subway station - where you can get inside a train from both sides.

Btw:

When you look at the (supposably now really) final box arts you can see that firstly TLG really seems to include some flexible tracks in the new train sets and that secondly there is a new battery box included in the two trains which looks very similar to the rechargeable battery box. So I have got two questions:

1. Do you think that TLG will actually include the rechargeable battery in these train sets?

2. If not it will be very easy to include that rechargeable battery instead of the regular battery box in this set since they are about the same size, don't you think?

3. Since the new (?) batters box seems to be very tall: Do you, too, think that this battery box will - together with the infrared sensor - be placed behind the front "cockpit" (in which in the picture the driver sits)?

Klaus-Dieter

1. No. More likely a box for 6 AAAs. This would actually be better for people who don't run their trains 24/7. The rechargeable battery is better for shows.

2. Yes. That would be the whole idea. Good to see such ideas in the engineering of the system, instead of too many bespoke shapes.

3. Could do. It should be easy enough for kids.

I think the only time TLG encouraged people to have double track in a set was the 7866 12V level crossing. Kids have to start with a single track unless their parents have too much money (but of course LEGO is the best toy to spend it on!)

The only other time was in the 7777 ideas book, when the bridge of the 7822 station was extended over 2 tracks and given light bricks. Ideas books are allowed to go beyond what we can afford today

Of course 12V tracks were always adjacent, with no "six-foot" between them (it is known as that even if it is not exactly 6ft, and it compares to the "four-foot" between the rails). We need the 6ft to be 8 studs to give us more passing clearance on the corners, since the standard curves have a radius of 40ft rather than the 250ft minimum on main line railways.

There are some bay platforms at British stations where a train could be entered from both sides (e.g. Derby Platform 5), but only one side is ever used. Some trains have lights on the open side, which has to be set to one or the other. Maybe it opens both sides in an emergency though.

It would be useful to alight from both sides in double deck trains in cities, to get twice the passenger change rate.

Mark

Edited March 22, 2010 by Mark Bellis

[Matt Dawson]

There are some bay platforms at British stations where a train could be entered from both sides (e.g. Derby Platform 5), but only one side is ever used. Some trains have lights on the open side, which has to be set to one or the other. Maybe it opens both sides in an emergency though.

It would be useful to alight from both sides in double deck trains in cities, to get twice the passenger change rate.

Mark

tut tut...what about Horstead Keynes?

[Klaus-Dieter]

1. No. More likely a box for 6 AAAs. This would actually be better for people who don't run their trains 24/7. The rechargeable battery is better for shows.

2. Yes. That would be the whole idea. Good to see such ideas in the engineering of the system, instead of too many bespoke shapes.

3. Could do. It should be easy enough for kids.

Thank you very much for this information, Mark!

So the new trains can be powered either buy batteries you include in the in the set included battery box or buy replacing the battery box and include a seperately bought rechargeable battery box in the train. That's really a good opportunity!

If only the rechargeable battery box with recharger isn't that highly expensive (nearly 85 Euros) - I would be really happy if I get the Cargo Train (without rechargeable battery box and recharger) at all!

Btw: Looking at your examples I must admit that I'm really surprised that there indeed seem to be some stations where you can get inside the train from both sides.

Klaus-Dieter

[MojoLego]

New photos of the Toy Story train are available:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/model_gal/451...57623831418802/

Interestingly, Lego decided not to put a coupling rod on the drivers.

Rob

Edited April 12, 2010 by MojoLego

[broomhandle]

this man looks fake and looks like he has 1 leg.

any news when these '10 train sets are coming out? i heard august via brickipedia and they have prices.

[Piranha]

Thanks KD and Whung

All of them look very nice. I agree that a second track added on the left side of the train station would look much nicer and more natural. Now all I need is 2 trains or even better alot of track packs

Yes the Cargo is simply brilliant and the best one :wub:

Now as for the battery situation as I like to say, Rechargeable battery and charger, $65 I recall, yeah really expensive. That would drive up the price of the trains considerably. To please average buyers though, the box is probably for the AA or AAA batteries that are sold separately . Keeps the cost down but now you need batteries. I hope it will use 4 AA batteries, because that is what I have in rechargeable form

Also this brings me to the question if the TRU Exclusive is indeed a Monorail, will it be PF too? And will those be Train PF compatible or the same?

EDIT: Yup its batteries, if you closely on the box art, there is a label that says "Batteries not included"

Edited April 18, 2010 by Macoco

[Duq]

4 AA batteries is only 6V, that won't work. Expect 6 AAA's...