2010 Train Sets

[peterab]

EDIT: Yup its batteries, if you closely on the box art, there is a label that says "Batteries not included"

Earlier in the thread it was already proposed that that could refer purely to the batteries needed by the remote control.

I hope the sets include the rechargable battery, and not a 6 AAA battery box. I'm also looking forward to the rumoured new motor.

ETA thread not threat

Edited April 19, 2010 by peterab

[ZO6]

Though a rechargeable battery box would be a wonderful inclusion in these sets, I just don't see it becoming a reality. I fear it would be left out as to not drive up costs any further.

I honestly see these coming with a battery box for a handful of AA batteries.

I don't mind too much either way, sure a rechargeable battery box would be more convenient, but I've got literally dozens of rechargeable AA and AAA batteries anyways.

Shouldn't be terribly long until we find out these details for the sets.

[peterab]

Though a rechargeable battery box would be a wonderful inclusion in these sets, I just don't see it becoming a reality. I fear it would be left out as to not drive up costs any further.

I honestly see these coming with a battery box for a handful of AA batteries.

It's impossible to tell, but if the rumoured prices for Australia/NZ are correct, they have jumped significantly from the previous trains, which would be hard to bear if the new trains don't include the rechargable battery.

As others have pointed out a six AA's would be required for 9V, so it's definately not going to be that, if the images on the box of the battery box the same size as the rechargable one are correct. It might be 6 AAA's but I hope not.

[Piranha]

4 AA batteries is only 6V, that won't work. Expect 6 AAA's...

Oh, dang that means I will have to invest in a 6 or 8 pack of rechargeable AAA batteries and charger

Earlier in the thread it was already proposed that that could refer purely to the batteries needed by the remote control.

I hope the sets include the rechargable battery, and not a 6 AAA battery box. I'm also looking forward to the rumoured new motor.

ETA thread not threat

Oh yes that could also be a possibility.

If the whole set does need batteries then that would be 6 batteries for the motor plus however many the remote needs

! Requires 9 AA (1.5v) batteries, not included.

from Brickset 7897

In the old RC trains from 2006 needed the above 9 AA Batteries. Why would they switch to AAA?

Just trying to save money for me

[peterab]

In the old RC trains from 2006 needed the above 9 AA Batteries. Why would they switch to AAA?

Just trying to save money for me

One of the cheif complaints AFOLs had for the last train line was the one piece battery box and RC reciever, which made it hard to Moc smaller locomotives. Part of the problem was the six AA's due to their size.

At this stage the AAA's or the rechargable battery are just speculation, based on a blurry image of the box art with what appears to be a battery of the size of the rechargable one. Some think it is the rechargable one, others think its just a battery box of the same size. If so it would be too small for AA's but six AAA's might fit.

The extra three batteries were used by the remote.

[Helmantel]

If it is going to be a battery box for AAA's, then it must be taller than the rechargeable battery, because an AAA battery is 42 mm long (roughly 4 bricks and one plate) and the rechargeable box is 4 bricks tall. At least, with the batteries standing upright. When laying them flat on top of each other they would fit within a 8x4 and 4 bricks tall box, but that doesn't seem very practical and fool proof to me.

[Klaus-Dieter]

I think it can't be said hundred percent for sure whether the rechargeable battery will be included or not.

I personally of course hope so since buying it extraly is hugely expensive.

But Mark Bellis already stated that it's very supposably going to be a regular battery box.

And when you look at the price of the rechargeable battery it seems unlikely that it is included in the new train sets because they are not that much more expensive than the previouse ones (10 Euros each).

Plus there seems to be no recharger included - and without recharger the rechargeable battery could only be used one time - and til now it even seems as if the recharger is only sold via S@H and not in regular toy shops, too.

On the other hand TLG includes the flexible tracks in the new train sets, too, although surely no only I would have bet that we will only get them seperately in the future, too.

And producing big numbers of rechargeable batteries would make them cheaper and so more supposably to include them in the new Train sets.

So let's see.

Klaus-Dieter

Edited April 21, 2010 by Klaus-Dieter

[lightningtiger]

Here in Oz, i believe the cargo train is going to cost 300 dollars, between 50 and 100 more than the last one, a power functions pack for techinic gear is about 50 to 60 dollars. So I'm afraid we'll be still loading batteries like cartridges in a rifle for sometime to come.

Aw well - I'm a conformist! everyone !

[peterab]

I think it can't be said hundred percent for sure whether the rechargeable battery will be included or not.

That is the only real fact we can state on this topic I think

I personally of course hope so since buying it extraly is hugely expensive.

Me too.

But Mark Bellis already stated that it's very supposably going to be a regular battery box.

1. No. More likely a box for 6 AAAs. This would actually be better for people who don't run their trains 24/7. The rechargeable battery is better for shows.

No disrespect to Mark, but this also appears to be speculation, and I'm not sure I agree. TLG has stated that they wish to limit the amount of custom parts for trains to keep costs down, making a new AAA batery box seems to contradict this. Secondly the return on the investment in the rechargeable battery box will be very low if it isn't included in normal retail sets. Also Duq reported that a more powerful train motor will be included, which may make the current draw higher, and the lifetime of a charge on AAA's even shorter (which will be shorter than the AAs from the old green cargo train anyway).

And when you look at the price of the rechargeable battery it seems unlikely that it is included in the new train sets because they are not that much more expensive than the previouse ones (10 Euros each).

Plus there seems to be no recharger included - and without recharger the rechargeable battery could only be used one time - and til now it even seems as if the recharger is only sold via S@H and not in regular toy shops, too.

I'm not sure about this, the price of a set, as others have mentioned before, has in the past been cheaper than the individual elements. Besides as above a new AAA battery box has its own costs too. I doubt they would include the rechargable battery box without the recharger. Or perhaps it's not included and will be sold alongside, because you only need one charger even if you buy two trains.

On the other hand TLG includes the flexible tracks in the new train sets, too, although surely no only I would have bet that we will only get them seperately in the future, too.

And producing big numbers of rechargeable batteries would make them cheaper and so more supposably to include them in the new Train sets.

That's what I hope. It may also make the volumes of sales to Australia large enough to produce the recharger for our power points. Up till now if we order one from S@H, I'm told by Brad from BricksTo The World, it comes with a European plug. If the rechargeable battery box is included in the set and sold here at retail I'm pretty sure they would have to include a local recharger.

I think the flexible track may not be selling very well individually but might be a nice extra if it's included in a set anyway. I'd personally prefer more straight track, but because it's unavailable seperately I'm tempted to get more level crossings and stations

There are strong arguments either way, but I hope I'm correct. If I am these for me will be very desirable and very good value (though expensive) sets.

[Duq]

I think it can't be said hundred percent for sure whether the rechargeable battery will be included or not.

Of course there are people who already know but aren't allowed to tell....

[peterab]

Of course there are people who already know but aren't allowed to tell....

Now all we have to do is decide if bribery or torture is more effective

[Helmantel]

4 AA batteries is only 6V, that won't work. Expect 6 AAA's...

Of course there are people who already know but aren't allowed to tell....

That means that you either broke the rules, or you were trying to mislead us :)

[Brickthus]

Now all we have to do is decide if bribery or torture is more effective

Neither would be effective - there are ethical standards to consider!

Mark

[Matt Dawson]

I just noticed this. Looks like the new City Train range is already being BOOKED! geddit?

[lightningtiger]

Yes, 'Matt' I get it.......BOOKED......ha ha !

Thanks also for the find too 'Matt Dawson'. Judging by the picture on the front cover of the book we can see what makes the front end of the cargo train up, it's brick built !

Looks nice, I fear this book maybe to simple for my ten year old son (well he's ten this weekend comming up).

Also note that there appears to no way to put lights on the front of this train, but it's PF, will it or not have lights like the older 2007 cargo train ?

Guess we'll have to wait for the first reviews eh ?

I'm a conformist! !

[Freddie]

Lights or not, the headlights (as well as the rear lights) are on both the new trains attached to what appears to be a new headlight-piece, which I suspect features hollowed studs. It's just pure speculation, off course, but it would make sense to at least prepare the trains for lights, like how the 9V trains were.

[lightningtiger]

I actually was talking of working lights, but good that 'Freddie' said about on what those little trans-clear rounds are mounted on....... I suspect a new chassis - it appears to be moulded that way - 4 wide front tapering back to 6 wide. At least if that's the case we'll have a solid base to build new MOC trains on.

I'm a conformist! !

[legoboy3998]

Looking at the book cover more closely, the front looks to be a dark bley piece with a inverted slope on the bottom going up to a 4 stud with sloped sides to 6 studs, I would guess there is a hole behind the trans clear pieces to allow for PF lights. the rest, yes looks brick built and not one solid piece.

looks nice.

Sal

WFB, WI

[peterab]

I actually was talking of working lights, but good that 'Freddie' said about on what those little trans-clear rounds are mounted on....... I suspect a new chassis - it appears to be moulded that way - 4 wide front tapering back to 6 wide. At least if that's the case we'll have a solid base to build new MOC trains on.

I'm a conformist! !

I don't think it's a new chassis, count the studs on this image and it looks to me theres a nose peice on a standard 28 stud chassis.

I think Freddie was talking about the current power functions lights which could be mounted through the holes, they may even be included in the set, but if not it appears they could be easily added. I'm pretty sure the old 9V lights wont reappear, as the whole point of PF is to unify all themes and get rid of the specialist train electronics where possible.

BTW I dont think the front is entireley brick built. It appears to use these pieces, and what LT interpreted as a new chassis appears to me to be a new nose piece, which would leave only one row of wedge bricks.

[lightningtiger]

I think you maybe right 'Peterab' about this windscreen hinged roof piece - we'll have to wait like I said till the first reviews of this train to see about the chassis and how much is actually brickbuilt.

I'm a conformist! everyone !

[Helmantel]

Well, it seems that the new train sets do not include the rechargeable battery, or at least, not the one that is currently available:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/grogall/...box_side_hr.jpg

More links to pictures in the Town; City 2010 topic

[Melfice]

Well, it seems that the new train sets do not include the rechargeable battery, or at least, not the one that is currently available:

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/grogall/...box_side_hr.jpg

More links to pictures in the Town; City 2010 topic

Actually, that battery box looks exactly like the one that LEGO offers on it's website. So, I would assume it IS actually the same one.

This is good news, indeed.

The thing that looks more interesting... the motor. It looks like the buffer is permanently attached to the motor itself, though this is probably just for show... Hopefully.

[roamingstop]

Actually, that battery box looks exactly like the one that LEGO offers on it's website. So, I would assume it IS actually the same one.

This is good news, indeed.

The thing that looks more interesting... the motor. It looks like the buffer is permanently attached to the motor itself, though this is probably just for show... Hopefully.

I thought the same thing too - but the high res photo of the actual cargo train motor in action is ambiguous. At least I wont need to buy a new Rechargable battery for this model.

[MojoLego]

Actually, that battery box looks exactly like the one that LEGO offers on it's website. So, I would assume it IS actually the same one.

This is good news, indeed.

The stud arrangement is different between the two battery boxes. The new one also appears to lack a connector for the DC input.

Edited May 6, 2010 by MojoLego

[Melfice]

The stud arrangement is different between the two battery boxes. The new one also appears to lack a connector for the DC input.

Hmm... you're right. Let's hope this is Version 2 of the rechargeable battery pack...