MOCs: Models of trains running in Hungary

[Ashi Valkoinen]

Since my last post I was silent - mostly because watching at the 10th year anniversary photos I realised that I'm not satisfied enough with the shape of my trains built in the era of 2009-2019. So, as the new decade approached I decided to rework all my train fleet and get their proportions closer to the real-life prototypes and strictly stick with the 1:45 scale (even if this results a little "wider" track gauge under my trains). The 1:45 scale will result in 72-73 studs long traincars, which mean a new difficulty level to make it run on R40 - I prefer to run on wider radius, but they MUST work on R40, too.

The first and most important step was to get out 2-4 plates of height from my trains (depending on the model), they were to tall to their scale. Some plates could be easily removed, when you built mostly horizontal, but this rebuilt resulted in the complete redesign of the front shapes I figured out some years ago. For my first, best and favourite Stadler FLIRT units it was a great help - with the appearence of the new, small wedge curved slope 1×2 with 45° cutout new dimensions appeared for train design, especially when two, differently angled surfaces need to meet.

I brought some photos of the recently redesigned train, which is my four Stadler FLIRT units in different colours and my Bombardier Talent.

 

Red Stadler FLIRT EMU was my first real train MOC - I really hope now I'm done with her after 10 years. :)

Front view of GySEV and MÁV-Start FLIRTs - the wede slope 1×2 really makes the shape and pattern I wanted.

A 5 seconds long photo in the evening of my Bombardier Talent EMU showing the motorised pantograph in action.

I updated my GySEV Stadler FLIRT in March - and bought two sets of Audi Quattro of Speed Champions for the wedge slope 1×2 in yellow - at those times Bricklink didn't even know if it existed in yellow.

GySEV FLIRT was an easier issue to update the SNOT front.

And finally a video showing the freshly renewed trains running at full speed:

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Ashi Valkoinen

[Ashi Valkoinen]

Finally I could proudly present my Hungarian Stadler KISS EMU, built with real bricks! It happened more than 3 years ago when Hungarian State Railway company MÁV-Start announced that they will be their first double-decker train, and knowing the fact that at those times 123+20 Stadler FLIRT units were operating in our country (MÁV-Start and GySEV companies) it was quite obvious that Stadler may win the contract. The first previews and digital renders of the real train did have different colour pattern compared to the actual one, but is was only matter of time in LDD to match the LEGO-design with the real thing.

The first version was very inaccurate though. I had no information about the car lengths, the LEGO-model was too tall and I had no information about the window distribution between two side doors. Stadler KISS trains were delivered to different countries with different lengths, window distribution and inside layout, at this point I played LDD almost blind.

After starting with the redesign (height problems mostly) of my trains aiming for more accurate 1:45 scale I redesigned the Stadler KISS in LDD - it meant a lot of help that videos and photos of testruns appeared on the internet, and I could study the layout of the insidings as well. Later in March I found finally an accurate (but without exact details) technical draw, learning the major differences between SBB and MÁV KISS (each consists of 6 waggons, but as SBB KISS has different length for driver cars and middle cars the MÁV version has almost the same car length for each car, and windows are also distanced and toilets located differently).

This year March I started to gather all the bricks, starting first with a very work-intense listing from the LDD-model, comparing what I already have in bricks. After I used all the bricks I found I started with BL-orders, and using 5 stores to order only a few batches remained to gather. Fortunately friends and LUG-members helped me out with the missing ones, so during May I finished with the train. Here she is:

(large image: http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/AshiValkoinen/0-HUN-trains/MAV-StadlerKISS/0-img_0273.jpg )

Total length: 349 cm between couplers:

On long radius curves:

(large image: http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/AshiValkoinen/0-HUN-trains/MAV-StadlerKISS/img_0245.jpg )

The train is driven by the two identical driver cars - each has a PF AA battery box, SBrick, two train motors, 3 pair of led lights and a polarity reverser for the train motors inside. All the insiding except two stairs in the motorcars (where the battery box is placed) is designed according to technical draws, resulting in 300 blue minifigure seats (the real train has 600, but our figures are thick :) ). Inner cars have ballbearing underneath for smooth run, the 71 stud long train cars are fully compatible with strick TLC R40 geometry (however all our LUG is waiting for FX-bricks P40 9V switches to be launched to continue this hobby closer to model railroading).

Challenging parts:

The complete sidewall of upper deck. This part is built angled, however the authentic window sizes needed SNOT technic inside a wall element, and these walls are only connected to the main body at two points to keep the possible most space for the minifigures and inside design. The photo below shows the non-covered upper decks and waiting sidewalls to be built in:

Closer photo of sidewalls and the two connecting hinge bricks. You can also study the SNOT-pattern in the line of the windows:

The next challenge was to make these cars to hold their weight. They are 71 studs long, and as you can check on the following photo, the side walls are broken with the angular pattern between the blue and black parts:

Since I prefer to use the internal 6 studs for inside layout, a funny fact, but all the cars are kept together with the one stud wide top centerline - plates and tiles. Before applying these on the top the cars are bent thanks to their weight.

After figuring out these parts the merge of sloped front and angled sidewall on the driving cars was an easy task to perform:

And as usual, I tried to make the LEGO and REAL photo, this needed some time to get the right permissions to get inside the train shed the completed trains are stored - their owner is still Stadler and thanks to the COVID19 pandemic the test runs were suspended for uncertain period of time which meant the completed trains didn't stay or run at publicly accessable tracks. But fortunately everything went well and I was allowed to make a try, however the engine shed at Dunakeszi city wasn't the perfect spot for this photo.

Your comments and critics welcome!

Edited September 23, 2020 by Ashi Valkoinen

[Ashi Valkoinen]

Video of first test runs and R40-compatibility:

 

[Vilhelm22]

Amazing! Congratulations on another fantastic MOC!

[zephyr1934]

3 hours ago, Ashi Valkoinen said:

But fortunately everything went well and I was allowed to make a try, however the engine shed at Dunakeszi city wasn't the perfect spot for this photo.

Actually I think that photo turned out great. Your build is fantastic too!

[The Island Chronicles]

If only I had the money to buy the trains that Lego releases. 

[Selander]

Fantastic work, amazing result ?

[Stefaneris]

What a nice and detailed train.

Nice to see the interior as well, I started to build my trains without it to save weight (and to use simpler building techniques ;)).

The fun thing is, that I'm currently also working on a 8-wide KISS (actually called ER1, kiss has another meaning in Swedish) from Transitio in Sweden. I hope we get the chance, when there are any conventions again, to place our trains next to each other.

[Ashi Valkoinen]

15 hours ago, Stefaneris said:

What a nice and detailed train.

Nice to see the interior as well, I started to build my trains without it to save weight (and to use simpler building techniques ;)).

The fun thing is, that I'm currently also working on a 8-wide KISS (actually called ER1, kiss has another meaning in Swedish) from Transitio in Sweden. I hope we get the chance, when there are any conventions again, to place our trains next to each other.

I built interior to keep the train similar to my other designs - I know ost of the people at shows don't look into the trains if anyone is setting inside but this is for me to know I built all the details I was capable of. Staying almost with everyhing on side studs 1 and 8 forces me also to think more about the possible solutions of different problems.

I checked your flickr if you have any photos of the Stadler KISS and I was glad to find those photos. As far as I checked it seems 69 or 70 studs long which is a needed length for this train cars if you go for 8w! The only part I don't like is the front, it reminds me to the older Stadler FLIRT / SBB KISS front, but when I checked the real one it had been delivered with the updated front more similar to FLIRT3 design. The curves play off well, but for the older front :)

[Thai bricks]

It looks great on those sweeping wide curves!

[Stefaneris]

On 6/26/2020 at 8:55 AM, Ashi Valkoinen said:

I built interior to keep the train similar to my other designs - I know ost of the people at shows don't look into the trains if anyone is setting inside but this is for me to know I built all the details I was capable of. Staying almost with everyhing on side studs 1 and 8 forces me also to think more about the possible solutions of different problems.

I checked your flickr if you have any photos of the Stadler KISS and I was glad to find those photos. As far as I checked it seems 69 or 70 studs long which is a needed length for this train cars if you go for 8w! The only part I don't like is the front, it reminds me to the older Stadler FLIRT / SBB KISS front, but when I checked the real one it had been delivered with the updated front more similar to FLIRT3 design. The curves play off well, but for the older front :)

Thanks for your comment.

Now that you say it, I see it too. I also need to find a solution with the coupler and the "buffers", because the white stripe I built with the curved slopes doesn't exist on the real train.

The lenth is about 70 for the cab car, the intermediate cars will be excactly 70 studs. I wanted to have the same number of windows as the real one, from this, the length was given.

[Ashi Valkoinen]

Since the Stadler KISS proved that even 70+ long cars can safely handle the R40 geometries I started to rebuild my rolling stock beyond the electric motor units (FLIRTs, Talent) and started to make 72 long car bodies for cars with real length of 26400 mm between their couplers. The MÁV-Start BVmot ("Samu") train consists of four cars, three of them 26400 mm long, the motor car is a little shorter. The image below shows the current design (upper one) and the future design with 72 long car bodies and proportional to the real thing. M major mistake when building the first version was using the single LEGO train windows for the train - these are surely too narrow and a 5 studs wide unit (window and separation between windows) would be good. Surely the windows needed the hardest work in LDD, however I figured out a nice SNOT-design with the original one on the 1st class car. The middle two cars have the same length, between their doors as well, but one of them has 10, other one 11 large windows on one side. Fortunately however I decreased the height of the train with 2 plates, I was able to keep the front design - a great help it would be when rebuilding the train with real bricks! 

Large image: https://img1.indafoto.hu/4/9/2269_99ef04eb612baf0e86671a5109e22154/26736375_491c3522cf8b31fbc08d80233e45b866_xl.jpg

Large image: https://img2.indafoto.hu/4/9/2269_99ef04eb612baf0e86671a5109e22154/26736373_1a8b14c25f7c2fbeea003b6334444274_xl.jpg

[Ashi Valkoinen]

It took two months to order and use the bricks I needed for my BVmot train upgrade - but now she is finished and I have only my ÖBB Railjet train with not proportional train cars. I brought you a couple of photos of the brick-built train (while I'm massively changing previous images in this topic from Brickshelf to an another hosting page):

The entire train:

Sideview of each traincars:

The old design - note the use of not proportional train window frames (1×4×3) and the height difference (2 plates):

If I had two of these trainsets: ( :D )

Old an New design compared in LDD:

Old and New traincars next to each other:

After redesigning this train I'm almost done - in year 2020 I rebuilt four Stadler FLIRT units, a Bombardier Talent unit, three Hungarian InterCity cars, a Taurus, a Vectron and V63 locomotive, two ÖBB InterCity cars and these four cars of BVmot EMU - only seven passanger cars and Taurus locomotive of my Railjet train are left. Removing height from entire trains and locos was a hard task to perform and front designs changed a lot doing this progress - but maybe finally I will be satisfied enough with my MOC trains not rebuilding them anymore :D

[Ashi Valkoinen]

My latest MOC and last MOC of 2020 is a single Y-car of GySEV railway company. In real life this is a 24500 mm long car, with 10 large side windows and 2 small toilette/corridor windows on each side. I tried to replicate the real thing as good as I could taking care of exact sizing of windows and the separation between windows as good as it possible from LEGO bricks. My scale is 1:45.

The following images show the two, "fortunately" different sides of the passanger car. You may also notice one separation between two large windows to be wider than others - most of the are 4 plates (9 plates wide window glass), but one of them is 4,5 plates (1 stud + 2 plates), this is the place where the smoking and non-smoking areas were separated in those times when smoking was allowed on trains. 

 

I made the entire row of windows in SNOT, with 9 plates wide and 7,5 plates tall glasses - the half-plate gap above the glasses is filled with 1×2-2×2 green brackets. This technique allows a plate-sized step making the width of windows and the separations inbetween allowing many different type of cars to make. I was forced to figure out and use this technique when I realised that the regular 1×4×3 train frame doesn't serve my needs due its bad proportions but now almost all my traditional traincars do use the technique above instead of using the train window frames.

Other noticeable building technique is the toproof solution eliminatint the 0,5 plate high edge of double curved slopes 1×4 and curved slopes 2×2, depressing them 0,5 plate into the row of 1×2 45° slopes with cutout.

This is the end of traincar - the top part of roof using curved slopes is held be brackets (making the half-plate Z-offset) and all the second row of 45° slopes is made the 1×2 slope 45° with cutout part.

Next photo - the insidings and the roof upside-down:

And lastly, the new passanger car behind my GySEV Vectron locomotive - I plan to build another 2 GySEV RaaberCity car to complete an inland GySEV InterCity train.

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Ashi Valkoinen

[Feuer Zug]

Another fine build. Keep building.

[zephyr1934]

2 hours ago, Ashi Valkoinen said:

My latest MOC and last MOC of 2020 is a single Y-car of GySEV railway company. This is a 24500 mm

Another great build! And I assume you mean 500 mm or 450 mm.

[Ashi Valkoinen]

2 minutes ago, zephyr1934 said:

Another great build! And I assume you mean 500 mm or 450 mm.

No, the real thing is 24500 mm long between buffers, resulting in a 67 studs long LEGO-chassis in 1:45 scale. :)

[Vilhelm22]

Very nice!  When do you think the full train will be completed in real bricks?

2 hours ago, zephyr1934 said:

Another great build! And I assume you mean 500 mm or 450 mm.

 

1 hour ago, Ashi Valkoinen said:

No, the real thing is 24500 mm long between buffers, resulting in a 67 studs long LEGO-chassis in 1:45 scale. :)

Haha yeah I though that first too.  @Ashi Valkoinen thanks for clearing that up, and another fantastic build!

[Ashi Valkoinen]

2 hours ago, Vilhelm22 said:

Haha yeah I though that first too.  @Ashi Valkoinen thanks for clearing that up, and another fantastic build!

I modified my post so now it is clear that 24500 mm goes for the real train. If both of you think the same, then maybe my post isn't clear.

I ordered some parts for the RaaberCity cars the last week but I need an another big order to complete them so I guess it would be around March when I finish them.

[zephyr1934]

19 hours ago, Ashi Valkoinen said:

I modified my post so now it is clear that 24500 mm goes for the real train. If both of you think the same, then maybe my post isn't clear.

The thing that threw me off was that I would think of the car as being 24.5 m. So then expressing it in mm it was not clear to me that you meant the real car, and not accidentally describing your MOC with a typo since 67 studs is just over 500 mm. At any rate, no matter how long it really is the car looks great.

[Ashi Valkoinen]

On 1/4/2021 at 5:10 PM, zephyr1934 said:

The thing that threw me off was that I would think of the car as being 24.5 m. So then expressing it in mm it was not clear to me that you meant the real car, and not accidentally describing your MOC with a typo since 67 studs is just over 500 mm. At any rate, no matter how long it really is the car looks great.

Truly said I got used to measure every real-car dimensions also in mm-s since somehow it is more comfortable when it cames to calculate with 1 stud = 360 mm, 1 plate = 144 mm scale. Total car length, lenght between windows, width of windows, height of roof and all details come easier to be measured in mm for me.

[Ashi Valkoinen]

I'm happily reporting that my first builds of year 2021 are done. Yes, it was almost two months, but takes time to collect bricks and surely the money for these bricks. As I showed above I wanted to extend my GySEV train to a full inland intercity train having three waggons after my GySEV Siemens Vectron locomotive. The first waggon, an older Y-type car was built last year and now the other two has been completed. The newer ones are called "RaaberCity" cars (GySEV also known as Raaberbahn, having this name from the local river Raab near Győr city), the cars themselves were bought as used cars from ÖBB some years ago. They changed the ÖBB gray-red-white livery to some extraordinary one with different greens and patterns, and these cars became iconic on the mainline I'm used to live. 

First image shows the two traincars, the difference isn't visible, but one of them is Bmz, other is ABmz, having both 1st class and 2nd class seats. The only difference is the colour of the seats. Pencil and sharpener serves as size-reference - these cars have 72 studs long chassis!

The two different sides of the cars differ in the underneath equipment details, and since these have cabins (11 of each) the corridor side has also ventilation grills in the green pattern part.

End of the cars - door opener, 3 wide door with definitely lots of SNOT, and bogie framework. The bogies use ball-bearings. Also take a look at the 1×3×3 window frame in black I built for the toilet/corridor windows - surelywasn't easy to perform and also save the space for the minifigures in the interior!

Roof removed and three cabins - I have 5 studsfor each cabin, including 2 seat in front of each other, a small separation between cabs using plate 1×2 with door rail parts and symmetric seating using headlights and brackets. I uploaded also a digital render of it how to place those seats just in the proper place (jumpers can't make the job).

Building these and having the locomotive and the older Y-car make together the complete trainset! I also do own two different GySEV FLIRT units (FLIRT1 and FIRT3), and this will be my third completed green-yellow train.

For the future I plan to equip all three green-yellow cars with indoor lights as well using old 9V battery box under the cars, PF-extension cable and 2 sets of PF led lights for each car.

[Vilhelm22]

Very impressive @Ashi Valkoinen!  Looking forward to seeing the lights in the future!

Also on a side note, I really like those giant modulars.  Guessing that as you are a trains guy though, they probably are the creation of another AFOL....

I don't think I've ever failed to be impressed by this thread.  Keep up the amazing work!

Vilhelm22 

[Ashi Valkoinen]

1 minute ago, Vilhelm22 said:

Very impressive @Ashi Valkoinen!  Looking forward to seeing the lights in the future!

Also on a side note, I really like those giant modulars.  Guessing that as you are a trains guy though, they probably are the creation of another AFOL....

I don't think I've ever failed to be impressed by this thread.  Keep up the amazing work!

Vilhelm22 

Thank you. I'll try to keep up, but for the following months I'll take my resources to improve my train station and layout, and less trains are expected. But two of mine owned ÖBB-cars will be renewed and also a third one will arrive to them to have a full EuroCity train for my MÁV Siemens Taurus locomotive as well.

The giant modulars are built by Zoltán Pikkel (unfortunately, as an oldschool guy, he doesn't have any social media presence), he started with this style when we started to collaborate on City layouts together and he realised that for the "big" scaled trains (and not city scaled smaller ones) the original CC-houses don't look so good. As he owned many sets twice or three times, he decided to build them together resulting in a more realistic size of these sets. He also owns the town hall built from three sets:

https://brickshelf.com/gallery/AshiValkoinen/MISC/img_1472.jpg
(yes, I was taking a photo of the freshly installed double-slip points but I remembered having his build on this photo)

[zephyr1934]

The new cars (and now completed train) looks fantastic. Then the shot with the slip switches is great too, I really like your club's layout but I thought guys were all 9v