Prohibition Mafia: Day Two

[MagPiesRUs]

Sometimes I don't understand why we do this. We have no evidence, and are only relying on gut feelings and player occupations to decide who is scum. If we have no reliable proof, we are taking a stab in the dark, and seeing as there are more town members than scum, we are more likely to kill someone loyal to the town. This means that on top of the killing of a townie every night (or potentially 2 or 3 if serial killers/vigilantes are involved), we lose another townie during the day. We've already let the mafia get an advantage of two kills over us, we need substantial proof before we go off killing someone. If we don't do this, are we any better than the mafia?

I'm sorry Mr. Right, I'm sure you have the town's best interests at heart, but I'm not going to vote until I have some actual evidence before me.

[Quarryman]

Though, after all we still have the problem that evidence isn't likely to just fall from the sky and into our hands. So sooner or later we will have to vote. But not quite yet, we're not in a hurry, unless my sense of time is completely off, I don't have a watch you see So when someone has good reasons for why we should vote for someone in particular I might join you, but for now I think I'll rest some more.

[hewkii9]

One other flaw, I should remind everyone, with assuming "oh, two dancers. two cops. one of each is scum! problem solved." is that far less than half of the town is scum.

I'm not mafia

How convincing.

what was Matthew Right doing so late at the courthouse? Just curious.

Legal work, he is a lawyer.

[The Crazy One]

Peeople, this is stupid! Oh, 2 Cops, 2 Dancers, one of the two pairs must be scum! This is crazy. Stop making idiotic assumtions like that! Oh look, those two are married! One must be scum!

[Inconspicuous]

Mr. Right, I think Sarah is correct in saying your intentions are good, but your evidence is lacking. Basing a vote off of activity is fairly weak evidence, and basing off of occupation is even weaker. I am perfectly willing to vote for Sarah if you can bring much stronger evidence to the table.

[JimBee]

One thing that I think everyone is overlooking is this farmer, Rhonda Falzone. She just got here this morning, but why? How come she wasn't here when this incident happened? Usually in these games... of life, everyone is present on Day 1. Could she perhaps have committed these murders without us even knowing she existed? Well, I think that's not to bold to say so. She could've easily prowled around, because the photographs show that everyone is present in each one. Hence my vote.

Vote: Rhonda Falzone/ Dragonator

[hewkii9]

Vote: Rhonda Falzone/ Dragonator

Sir, I do not know who you are or why you make such an unfounded accusation! [please put your name in your signature]

I think it would be unwise to attack someone simply for not being there on the first day, there are better ways to pick someone to vote than 'oh she appeared late' or 'oh she's one of the two cops/kids/married people/dancers/gas attendants, obviously one is scum!'. I think that, especially with that second one, using that voting logic is so conspicuous that it could very well be a scum trying to justify their assault upon a townie. Just saying.

That being said, I have legitimate reason to suspect Leanne. She attacks the police [who, even if technically powerless, are still beacons of morale for the town] with no justification beyond 'there's three, one of them has to be scum!' Every time she has spoken, it has been a direct attack upon Stapleton's finest. As we know that roles in life are assigned by random fate, this baseless attack clearly has greater meaning for her. I believe that she knows that the police are all innocent, or that one of us has a special role within the town, like blocker. If you are the town investigator, save yourself by sending me that message in private.

And, of course, she uttered the fatal words 'Mark my words if i'm struck dead tonight', which I cannot recall anyone already convicted or scum having said, in any past games...of life.

So, all that put together, means Vote: Leanne/Forresto

[Sandy]

Sigh...

Look, I'm not claiming I know anything for certain, I am really taking a "stab in the dark" so to speak, but since that's the only weapon I've got to fight this battle against the Mafia, you can't really blame me for using it.

I'm not saying that Sarah must be a scummy dancer because Susan was innocent, I am merely stating that it is possible. All we have to go on now is mere speculation, we won't suddenly get any wiser if you're waiting for that.

So if you don't want to use the power given to you and vote, then I'm sorry but the scum is going to overpower us, because every night they will take one of us down (or at least try their damnest to do so). You can sit on your bums and wait for some miraculous evidence to fall into your laps, but I seriously doubt it is going to ever happen, and you are fools if you believe it will.

The day is fast moving onto night, and a measely three votes have been given out of a group of twenty. Are you guys playing this game of life or not?!

[Dannylonglegs]

hmmm.... *snip*

I concur that there is more than meats the eye with Leanne.

As I said previously She has been attacking the police (verbaly mind you) all day today, and I seem to recal her doin' the same yesterday too, (I'd try to find a quote but yesterday is alittle hard to recal any useful infromation from) This leads me to beleive that she either knows something that we don't, or is stupidly accusin' the police of bein' currupt simply cause they couldn't catch the Shcum previously, which is just foolinsh, as we're dealin' with some wily crooks! If she had just started this today, I'd guess she was an investigator, er a roleblocker er some'in' but she was also on their case yesterday without proof. If that ain't Shcummy attitude I dunno what is.

If I'm makin' a huge mistake er some'in just throw a Potato to me and I'll see if I beleave your story, other wise I may agree with Christopher and vote you off! I've been suspisios of you fer a while now.

and Lucy, just 'cause Rhonda missed those aweful killin's doesn't mean she commited them!

[JimBee]

I think it would be unwise to attack someone simply for not being there on the first day, there are better ways to pick someone to vote than 'oh she appeared late' or 'oh she's one of the two cops/kids/married people/dancers/gas attendants, obviously one is scum!'. I think that, especially with that second one, using that voting logic is so conspicuous that it could very well be a scum trying to justify their assault upon a townie. Just saying.

Excuse me? If you've ever paid any attention to these games... of life, you would realize that someone appearing late is often a clue that they have done something at night. Though, I wouldn't expect you to know that, youngster. And I NEVER said anything about one in a pair being scum, yet everyone repeats it over and over again "yeah guyz, stop making accazashons". Can you come up with any other reason why Rhonda was introduced (by the Governor) on Day 2? No, she did not "miss" Day 1 on accident, it was done for a reason. If you go look at the Day 1 thread, her name wasn't even on the list.

and Lucy, just 'cause Rhonda missed those aweful killin's doesn't mean she commited them!

No, it doesn't, but it doesn't mean we can just overlook this, either. Think about it logically- Rhonda did not miss Day 1 on accident, she was supposed to arrive on Day 2. Why is this? Will there be more people coming?

While I agree that Leanne is trying a little too hard to get one of the cops down, I don't altogether think that her reasoning is wrong. No, that doesn't mean that every pair has one scum in it, but it is plausible to think that a cop could possibly be scum.

My vote remains.

[Dragonator]

One thing that I think everyone is overlooking is this farmer, Rhonda Falzone. She just got here this morning, but why? How come she wasn't here when this incident happened? Usually in these games... of life, everyone is present on Day 1. Could she perhaps have committed these murders without us even knowing she existed? Well, I think that's not to bold to say so. She could've easily prowled around, because the photographs show that everyone is present in each one. Hence my vote.

Vote: Rhonda Falzone/ Dragonator

Jack, that is the most outrageous thing I have heard today. If I only just arrived today from way out in the country, how in the world could I have killed anyone yesterday? I think someone is still a bit bitter after I ran out of carrots last month before they got any.

Excuse me? If you've ever paid any attention to these games... of life, you would realize that someone appearing late is often a clue that they have done something at night. Though, I wouldn't expect you to know that, youngster. And I NEVER said anything about one in a pair being scum, yet everyone repeats it over and over again "yeah guyz, stop making accazashons". Can you come up with any other reason why Rhonda was introduced (by the Governor) on Day 2? No, she did not "miss" Day 1 on accident, it was done for a reason. If you go look at the Day 1 thread, her name wasn't even on the list.

Perhaps you should consider the fact that the player of Miss Rhonda was absent when the first day thread went up, and only got back when Day 2 was to begin. Do not try and justify your vote with metagaming, thank you. My name wasn't on the list because I was not playing at that point, let alone confirmed. You are trying to twist things to suit your idea and failing rather miserably at it, rather than taking the evidence and basing things off that. Let me remind you that when people normally arrive late in these games of life, they are actually already playing you dolt. Since you are getting into all this metagaming crap and using past games to justify your arguments, why don't we look at the loyal character of Darlene from a novel I have read called The Baritones. She also arrived on the second day, she was loyal, and nobody tried to argue that the fact she wasn't even in town makes her a bloody murder!

No, it doesn't, but it doesn't mean we can just overlook this, either. Think about it logically- Rhonda did not miss Day 1 on accident, she was supposed to arrive on Day 2. Why is this? Will there be more people coming?

While I agree that you should not just forget this particular occurrence, using it to infer that I committed the murder is illogical and leads me to think you may have some alternative motives to do so. Are you trying to distract us all from our discussion of Leanne? Or do you have some deeper grudge you are trying to sate? Either way, your illogical and quite blatantly false arguments have put you on my suspicion list, Jack.

[hewkii9]

Actually, Lucy, only the first line of what I was saying was directed at you, although civilian input is always appreciated.

While I agree that Leanne is trying a little too hard to get one of the cops down, I don't altogether think that her reasoning is wrong. No, that doesn't mean that every pair has one scum in it, but it is plausible to think that a cop could possibly be scum.

Anyone could possibly be scum, why Leanne fixates on the police is why I'm suspicious of her. Especially since she doesn't even have a specific cop she suspects, she just wants all of us lynched, apparently.

[Sandy]

Guys, do you think a real member would go about throwing random accusations left and right? I'm sure that right now the real scums are laughing on their beards as we bicker amongst ourselves on who has accused who like idiots that we seem to be.

Again, I am more than happy to switch my vote to whomever the majority feels like.

So how about this?

Unvote: Sarah Wolf/TinyPies

Vote: Leanne/Forresto

[JimBee]

Jack, that is the most outrageous thing I have heard today. If I only just arrived today from way out in the country, how in the world could I have killed anyone yesterday? I think someone is still a bit bitter after I ran out of carrots last month before they got any.

Who the megabluck is Jack? I'm Lucy. Nice to meet you.

Perhaps you should consider the fact that the player of Miss Rhonda was absent when the first day thread went up, and only got back when Day 2 was to begin. Do not try and justify your vote with metagaming, thank you.

Where'd you get metagaming from? I am doing nothing of the sort. You came late, but weren't even on the list. So you didn't confirm, but why did you get play? I don't see the purpose of introducing a person on Day 2 except to throw suspicion on them.

My name wasn't on the list because I was not playing at that point, let alone confirmed. You are trying to twist things to suit your idea and failing rather miserably at it, rather than taking the evidence and basing things off that. Let me remind you that when people normally arrive late in these games of life, they are actually already playing you dolt.

Obviously you weren't. (I know what you mean). Still, you say you arrived late... now, put yourself into my shoes for a minute. I'm not a farmer or a farm moderator, but I get to come in late anyways. What does this tell you? Why do I get special privileges? Metagaming, perhaps?

Since you are getting into all this metagaming crap and using past games to justify your arguments, why don't we look at the loyal character of Darlene from a novel I have read called The Baritones. She also arrived on the second day, she was loyal, and nobody tried to argue that the fact she wasn't even in town makes her a bloody murder!

Again, when have I ever used incidents from past stories in my argument. Can you quote me on when I said anything of the sort?

While I agree that you should not just forget this particular occurrence, using it to infer that I committed the murder is illogical and leads me to think you may have some alternative motives to do so. Are you trying to distract us all from our discussion of Leanne? Or do you have some deeper grudge you are trying to sate? Either way, your illogical and quite blatantly false arguments have put you on my suspicion list, Jack.

No, I don't. Leanne may very well be the best choice to vote off, but I have reasons (that I already stated) to believe that we should be convicting you instead. I have no reason to believe that Sarah is scummy, because, like Mr. Right stated, voting Sarah is just a shot in the dark. And I am NOT "metagaming", and fail to see where you could back up that accusation. I have no "grudge" with you to begin with.

Suspicious of me you may be, but keep in mind of what I said- and think about it as if we were in each other's places.

[hewkii9]

Again, I am more than happy to switch my vote to whomever the majority feels like.

The majority? So far, only I have voted for Leanne. What're you getting at?

[Sandy]

The majority? So far, only I have voted for Leanne. What're you getting at?

*Shakes his head*

Didn't you see hear my question, "how about this"? It was meant to ask everyone if this is the right way to go, so will you please stop being so damn suspicious of me!

I have to get my "afternoon nap" now, so I can't really wait around for people to form a majority. I'll check back once I wake up, and change my vote accordingly.

[Dragonator]

Oh Lucy, you can obviously see the flaws in your arguments now and are desperately trying to recover yourself and justify them, but it just isn't working I'm sorry my dear. You city girls are quite irrational, unlike we country folk, we actually have to think about what we are going todo and say before we do it, otherwise the crops would never get planted!

Where'd you get metagaming from? I am doing nothing of the sort. You came late, but weren't even on the list. So you didn't confirm, but why did you get play? I don't see the purpose of introducing a person on Day 2 except to throw suspicion on them.

As it were, I signed up for the game as per usual and was selected, but informed the hosts that I would be absent for 4 days in which I understood day 1 would be occurring. Rather than just bring me in at day 1 like normal people would do and let me say something near the end or some such, they decided to bring me in at day 2 instead, meaning I was not playing or doing anything during day 1. I was forced to confirm by PM after day 1 finished. If you want to further complain about the handling of that situation, take it up with the hosts, as it really isn't a valid argument to use in here. I'm not trying to say that that means I cannot be scum, I am simply trying to say that using it as the only evidence to back up your claim that I committed murders on the first night is false (and metagaming). I would think that should be obvious, but maybe you city girls are just a bit slower with the brain cell connections.

Obviously you weren't. (I know what you mean). Still, you say you arrived late... now, put yourself into my shoes for a minute. I'm not a farmer or a farm moderator, but I get to come in late anyways. What does this tell you? Why do I get special privileges? Metagaming, perhaps?

Special privileges? If your only justification is that I arrived late because I'm a farm moderator as you put it, then that really is very sad. Indeed it is metagaming, you are trying to justify your argument against me on outside influences. I'm sorry, but your claims and evidence just aren't matching up, first you say I was around on the first day plotting and killing people while nobody could see me, hear me, or even knew I existed, and now you are concurring that yes I did in fact only arrive on day 2, but now outside influences mean it is suspicious. You make no sense woman.

Again, when have I ever used incidents from past stories in my argument. Can you quote me on when I said anything of the sort?

Excuse me? If you've ever paid any attention to these games... of life, you would realize that someone appearing late is often a clue that they have done something at night.

That sounds like metagaming to me, you are trying to justify your argument in his game of life with occurrences in past games of life. That and your previous argument really doesn't leave you with much in terms of a convincing story. Perhaps you should sit down and think a bit before you next open your mouth, dear.

Anyway, I've had enough of all this useless distraction for the moment, Lucy here is obviously deranged and doesn't have a clue what she is babbling on about. While she sits there and continues chatting with herself about her groundless accusations and flawed arguments, why don't the rest of us get on with the real business of the day. Poor girl just needs to get things sorted out a bit clearer in her head, I should say.

I must say that I also find Leanne a bit suspicious with her constant random accusations, but I'm not sure if it is the sign of a scummy mafia member or of a scared and irrational townie. Either way, I don't have an opinion on it, so if we decide to vote that way I will support it. As to Sarah, I think the dancer theory is again a bit silly, as we have no way of knowing that one of each is scum, and we would be stupid to assume so. That of course doesn't mean she isn't scum, of course, just that this piece of "evidence" isn't relevant, much like some other things we heard just earlier.

[JimBee]

Oh Lucy, you can obviously see the flaws in your arguments now and are desperately trying to recover yourself and justify them, but it just isn't working I'm sorry my dear.

Oh how I love how you twist my words into something you can use to make yourself seem like the rational one. I've already justified my claims, as in the first thing I said about you. Perhaps you've got it turned around, and it's you hicks who can't seem to keep up?

As it were, I signed up for the game as per usual and was selected, but informed the hosts that I would be absent for 4 days in which I understood day 1 would be occurring. Rather than just bring me in at day 1 like normal people would do and let me say something near the end or some such, they decided to bring me in at day 2 instead, meaning I was not playing or doing anything during day 1. I was forced to confirm by PM after day 1 finished.

Then why weren't we informed of this? Why didn't you just confirm where everyone could see it?

I am simply trying to say that using it as the only evidence to back up your claim that I committed murders on the first night is false (and metagaming).

So saying that you could've committed murders on Night 1 is metagaming, just because you say you didn't and were absent at the time. Is that what you're telling me? That makes no sense. How am I taking experiences from outside this game... of life and putting them to my advantage here? Yes, you may have been absent, but is that my fault? No. Are you lying? Probably not. Could you have committed the murders? Possibly.

Special privileges? If your only justification is that I arrived late because I'm a farm moderator as you put it, then that really is very sad. Indeed it is metagaming, you are trying to justify your argument against me on outside influences. I'm sorry, but your claims and evidence just aren't matching up, first you say I was around on the first day plotting and killing people while nobody could see me, hear me, or even knew I existed, and now you are concurring that yes I did in fact only arrive on day 2, but now outside influences mean it is suspicious. You make no sense woman.

That's not what I said at all. I'll repeat what I said in a simpler form so you can keep up:

You were not here on day 1, because you absent altogether or not. Yet, you get to come in on Day 2, and that doesn't make you suspicious at all, according to you.

And for the last time, I'm not metagaming. You seemed to suggest that when you were talking about orange vegetables and past games... of life, so I assume that you are metagaming.

That sounds like metagaming to me, you are trying to justify your argument in his game of life with occurrences in past games of life. That and your previous argument really doesn't leave you with much in terms of a convincing story. Perhaps you should sit down and think a bit before you next open your mouth, dear.

I was merely pointing out that when people arrive late in these games... of life, it is not something to be overlooked. It may be taking occurrences from outside influences, but then, so would everything else. It's like saying "if you assume there's a killer in this game just because there was one in the last one, you're metagaming". See where the fine line fades in and out?

Anyway, I've had enough of all this useless distraction for the moment, Lucy here is obviously deranged and doesn't have a clue what she is babbling on about. While she sits there and continues chatting with herself about her groundless accusations and flawed arguments, why don't the rest of us get on with the real business of the day. Poor girl just needs to get things sorted out a bit clearer in her head, I should say.

Chatting with myself? I assume you're not going to reply to this then, which is fine by me. I just hope my fellow townies can see that you're trying to get a rise out of me, another scummy action.

Though, if it's going to help us get any closer to justice, then I will go with the majority, because obviously, arguing with you is pointless.

Unvote: Rhonda Falzone/ Dragonator

Vote: Leanne/ Forresto

[Darth_Legois]

The reason Dragonator did not confirm in the confirmation thread, was because he was away while it went up, But he had been selected before we knew he was going to be away, But since he would probably miss most of the first day we decided to put him in on Day 2 since he wouldn't be gone that long. (He confirmed via PM).

[Dannylonglegs]

I have decided that I will vote for Leanne, as more people aree voting for her, and she is the most likely suspect at the moment. My vote is not permenant, for, if she shows up with a good explenation for why she has been focused on taking out the police since day 1, then I will remove my vote. If you need reasons see my previous posts.

Vote: Leanne/ Forresto

[Forresto]

Okay first off I was barely involved yesterday because I could'nt keep up with the 28 some pages. I only repeated what I said at the end of the first day because i'm not sure if anyone saw it because it was so late in the day(which no one did). Chris Wild you were the first person to vote for me and you're a part of the police. Since i'm the only one to have accused your organization and if i'm right about someone in the police force being mafia it would only make snense that you would be first to vote for me. I'm not saying you are but like I said it was only a theory and then you go off and vote for me.

I personally don't think that by voting one dancer off that the other must be scum. That type of thinking is illogical and if that's what you got from what I said you need to go reread what I said.

Look i'm sorry I was being pushy about my theory but i'm trying to find the town's mafia just like everyone else. Don't vote for me just because you think i'm mafia just because I was pushy. In an investigation you have to be pushy when you're trying to discover something. We've already killed off townie and lost another one last night, don't make it third by voting for me.

Don't go with the majority to get justice.That would be doing the same thing that you Chris, blamed me of doing when I accused the police force blindly.

[Inconspicuous]

... Chris Wild you were the first person to vote for me and you're a part of the police. Since i'm the only one to have accused your organization and if i'm right about someone in the police force being mafia it would only make snense that you would be first to vote for me. I'm not saying you are but like I said it was only a theory and then you go off and vote for me.

He voted for you after you accused the police. I doubt there's more than one mafia in the police, and if there is scum in the police, the other police would likely be innocent. Basically you're saying that Chris is scum, and you are innocent. Or he's innocent and is retaliating to your remarks. In other words, we take your word for it.

...Don't vote for me just because you think i'm mafia just because I was pushy...

It's not that you're pushy, it's more that you're accusing blindly, and making up stories to explain your accusations.

...That would be doing the same thing that you Chris, blamed me of doing when I accused the police force blindly.

If you're admitting that you're basing off of theory, then your case is illogical.

We'll only get justice if we act, and it's better to choose or own ending than to let he Mafia choose it for us. Leanne, I am extremely sorry if your are a Townie, but we must take action and trust our guts.

Vote: Leanne/Forresto

[YG-49]

God, I hate bandwagons.

But... The evidence is quite strong against her...

Vote: Leanne/Forresto

I truly hope you aren't a townie, because that'd be three women murdered in two days.

Gah, sorry, I meant three town women.

[Shadows]

You were not here on day 1, because you absent altogether or not. Yet, you get to come in on Day 2, and that doesn't make you suspicious at all, according to you.

And according to me. If we want to play the past performance game, this situation has happened once before in a little story I heard called Baritones I. There was this lovely girl who came to town after her sister was killed. She arrived late, too late to do anything to save her sister, but along with her brother-in-law, a dashingly handsome former KGB agent and chef, they saved that town from the mob. We would be lucky to see another pair like that. So don't assume much from a late arrival, it's just as likely to be a good thing as a bad.

As for the voting today...

I'm sorry, Leanne, but you've made vague and veiled accusations based on no evidence except what I call "the rule of 3's", there are multiples of a profession, so one must be bad. It's lame, it never works, and thus it looks like a scum tactic to get several people killed easily. It looks very bad on the person doing it, either as scum or as a loyal townie who is causing distraction and confusion, and we don't need either of those.

Vote: Leanne / Forresto

They say we all live many lives and that what we learn in one is carried to the next until we finally get it right. If you aren't scum, you'll at least have learned something for your next reincarnation.

[WhiteFang]

Are we going to be too hasty in our judgment? I will reserve my vote for now, until I am certain to jump onto the bandwagon. I don't want innocent blood to be smeared onto my very hands.

I wonder how much time do we have left.