Batman Films Discussion

[Vindicare]

It was an amazing movie. I really like how they made Bane a front runner as opposed to a second class villain. The twists were awesome and made me throw up my hands at some points. And, the ending...wow.

Off topic... I'm on my iPad(first gen) and for whatever reason it won't open the spoiler tags....

[Mr_Malfoy]

Just saw the movie today, and I was blown away at how fantastic and brilliant it is! Bane was easy to understand, and Anne was purr-fect as Catwoman. Can't wait for it to come to DVD!

[Leo604]

In response to your second spoilered point:

It's the whole point of this Bruce Wayne and the film that Batman is a symbol for the people of Gotham, not a person. Letting people know that Bruce Wayne was Batman would've ruined his whole idea of Batman not being a person, and made it nearly impossible for him to pass on the torch to Blake in the end.

True, but it still would've been nice for more than just 3 people to know who really gave Gotham everything.

Avengers is still the best movie of the year though.

Hear, hear!

[Ceroknight]

Brilliant brilliant movie!

All the actors did a fantastic job and Bane was surprisingly easy to understand

My friend accidentally spoiled the ending by

posting on facebook that Batman dies, but I'm glad that never happens

The Trilogy has ended but

A Robin based movie?

[Clone OPatra]

The Trilogy has ended but

A Robin based movie?

I have read online that DC has claimed no plans for that nor:

another Batman film with Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

[Lothos]

I have read online that DC has claimed no plans for that nor:

another Batman film with Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

^kinda glad about that.

The thing that urks me about the batman nolan movies is the consistency with Gotham. They made such a big deal about the damn train in the first one, and then it just sort of phased out. or they just decided to scrap the whole thing after the first movie, regardless, it just bums me out that Gotham changes so damn much and it hardly looks the same from movie to movie.

[purpleparadox]

Personally, I really like the Nolan films and was sad to see them end. But wow, what a way to go! That was the best of the trilogy. Tons of action, tons of emotion, and a great plot with fantastic twists. I loved it.

Edited July 23, 2012 by purpleparadox

[purpleparadox]

The Trilogy has ended but

A Robin based movie?

I posted this somewhere else on the Internet today, but I forget where, so:

I don't think John will ever become Robin. I think he was just homage to the 3 main Robins of the Batman Universe: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake. Dick was known for his acrobatics and martial arts skills, which John displays a lot of during the movie. Jason was known for his anger, which we find out about when John talks about always being angry but hiding it behind a smile. And Tim was famous for discovering on his own that Batman was Bruce Wayne. John does that too. Not to mention John's an orphan...just like most of the Robin characters. And he plays the part of Batman's inadvertent sidekick throughout the film.

I believe that John Blake was given the name Robin to add to the "tribute to Robin". I think if he ever does become something more, he'll be the next Batman. That's all just my opinion though.

Edited July 23, 2012 by purpleparadox

[Ceroknight]

I posted this somewhere else on the Internet today, but I forget where, so:

I don't think John will ever become Robin. I think he was just homage to the 3 main Robins of the Batman Universe: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake. Dick was known for his acrobatics and martial arts skills, which John displays a lot of during the movie. Jason was known for his anger, which we find out about when John talks about always being angry but hiding it behind a smile. And Tim was famous for discovering on his own that Batman was Bruce Wayne. John does that too. Not to mention John's an orphan...just like most of the Robin characters. And he plays the part of Batman's inadvertent sidekick throughout the film.

I believe that John Blake was given the name Robin to add to the "tribute to Robin". I think if he ever does become something more, he'll be the next Batman. That's all just my opinion though.

Those are solid points and I agree there probably won't be one, just my wishful thinking

[______]

I thought it was a fantastic movie, but Bane was hard to understand at some points!

Was I the only person to think the bomb COULD have been a reference to the 1960's film? I was expecting Batman to say at any moment "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."

It's hard to compare this movie to the Avengers as they are so different.

[Drock]

I thought it was the best of the three. Even better than TDK.

This series will probably never be outdone, as far as a realistic Batman. The cartoons etc. have been pure fantasy. The Burton films were a mx of fantasy and realism. The Nolan films were well done in that there was a real-world explanation to everything. I like a lite more fantasy, but can appreciate what Nolan did

[Gooker1]

I thought it was the best of the three. Even better than TDK.

This series will probably never be outdone, as far as a realistic Batman. The cartoons etc. have been pure fantasy. The Burton films were a mx of fantasy and realism. The Nolan films were well done in that there was a real-world explanation to everything. I like a lite more fantasy, but can appreciate what Nolan did

I'll probably give this movie another go in the theaters before annointing it better than TDK. I'm leaning towards TDKR, but one more viewing and I'll make my choice.

[JimBee]

Okay, I've avoided this topic for spoiler reasons, but I finally saw TDKR and I absolutely loved it. A truly phenomenal film, the best since Inception, in my opinion (seriously, this team of directors, producers, writers, actors, and studios is really something). I watched all three in a row this past week, and there are very few film series that flow together so seamlessly. Many themes of Begins and TDK are incorporated in TDKR, as well, and it really felt like the entire series built up to one point, rather than having three separate films. The only other movies I can think of that did this nearly as well are the LOTR trilogy and the original Star Wars trilogy.

I liked the inclusion of

Talia and Scarecrow, to further connect this film to Begins.

There were just a few things I didn't like, namely

Bane's voice and how he was related to the League of Shadows. I never read the comics, but from the cartoons that I've watched and the games that I've played, this background to Bane is new to me, and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It all seemed pretty convenient/random that Bane was part of it, although what what Ra's said in Begins ("I had a wife...") lessened that.

On another note, does anyone else find it strange that almost every movie Liam Neeson has been in lately involves his wife dying? Not sure if that's supposed be tribute or just plain coincidence that his real wife died a few years ago, but seriously, the Batman trilogy, Taken, Unknown, The Grey...

Oh, and

what do you all think of of Ra's' "immortality" in the film? Was what Bruce saw in the prison really an illusion or was Nolan hinting at the Lazerus Pit?

There is a Batman reboot rumored for 2015-ish, but that might now be Batman in a Justice League movie. I'm sure it won't be too long until another Batman movie.

There was a Superman teaser at the TDKR showing, made by the same film studios, which looks good. Is there a Justice League movie rumored for the near future?

Anne Hathaway did a better job as Catwoman than I expected

I think she played the part excellently. She's got the right looks for the role, and she portrayed the Catwoman's personality well.

The thing that urks me about the batman nolan movies is the consistency with Gotham. They made such a big deal about the damn train in the first one, and then it just sort of phased out. or they just decided to scrap the whole thing after the first movie, regardless, it just bums me out that Gotham changes so damn much and it hardly looks the same from movie to movie.

I've seen what Clone O'Patra has said about this, too, how TDK looks like Chicago while BB looks like its own city. I personally don't mind it so much, because I think of how Gotham has changed since Wayne became Batman. BB was set during a recession, and Gotham looked run-down and gloomy. And with TDK and TDKR, crime is put to rest and everything looks cleaner and brighter. I thought about this during TDKR, and there are some similarities to BB. I noticed that the island that Gotham is on looked about the same as BB, at least (in the establishing shots of the island from an aerial view).

I don't think John will ever become Robin. I think he was just homage to the 3 main Robins of the Batman Universe: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake. Dick was known for his acrobatics and martial arts skills, which John displays a lot of during the movie. Jason was known for his anger, which we find out about when John talks about always being angry but hiding it behind a smile. And Tim was famous for discovering on his own that Batman was Bruce Wayne. John does that too. Not to mention John's an orphan...just like most of the Robin characters. And he plays the part of Batman's inadvertent sidekick throughout the film.

I believe that John Blake was given the name Robin to add to the "tribute to Robin". I think if he ever does become something more, he'll be the next Batman. That's all just my opinion though.

But the ending indicates so much more. He finds the Batcave, and looks at the Batsuit. I think that's enough to say that Gordon-Levitt's character will become Robin, even if a film isn't planned.

EDIT: And I still think Scarecrow is the best villain of this trilogy. Cillian Murphy is just too awesome.

[Sam892]

Someone told me that DC plan on a reboot within 3 years, does anyone know if that's true? It kind of makes sense as the want to make Justice league film. The casting in this film was fantastic which is one of the big problems for me when they reboot it. I mean Gary Oldman is Gordon to me and I love how unlike over batman series he's show as more helpful and a hero than the crappy unreliable police officer in the over versions.

[Mr Man]

I don't think John will ever become Robin. I think he was just homage to the 3 main Robins of the Batman Universe: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake. Dick was known for his acrobatics and martial arts skills, which John displays a lot of during the movie. Jason was known for his anger, which we find out about when John talks about always being angry but hiding it behind a smile. And Tim was famous for discovering on his own that Batman was Bruce Wayne. John does that too. Not to mention John's an orphan...just like most of the Robin characters. And he plays the part of Batman's inadvertent sidekick throughout the film.

I believe that John Blake was given the name Robin to add to the "tribute to Robin". I think if he ever does become something more, he'll be the next Batman. That's all just my opinion though.

I agree, the metaphor at the end of him 'rising' in the batcave would be totally ruined if he has to play second fiddle to Bruce.

Having Robin become The Batman could mean they don't have to reboot it for the Justice League film.

[Jimbobulus]

I liked it, but some parts annoyed me. I don't know why some injuries have to be so unbelievable..

Loved Joseph Gordon-Levitt, bit of a man crush there

Couldn't understand what Bane said though, and if the prison was the Arkham Asylum, then it sucked. Big time.

[taaksonz]

Hi guys,

Recently i watched Batman III....Really it's awesome...

All the actions and adventure scenes are more entertaining...

I enjoyed it with full of interest...I will have rating it 9/10...

[purpleparadox]

But the ending indicates so much more. He finds the Batcave, and looks at the Batsuit. I think that's enough to say that Gordon-Levitt's character will become Robin, even if a film isn't planned.

Mr Man pretty much said exactly what I'm thinking:

I think, even if there isn't another film, he will (or should) become Batman, not Robin. The big metaphor throughout the whole movie is that "anyone can be Batman". Like you said, he looks at the Batsuit. IMO it's a little bit ruined if he doesn't take up the cowl.

[def]

I just watched this movie, and I thought it was utter clown shoes. There were some things to like, but Nolan's repeated mantra of "real" makes the thing silly. In that opening scene, the notion of a big plane taking a smaller plane with a bunch pros dropping from the big plane is just totally 'bad James Bond'... Sure a big plane is expensive, and of course hiring a dozen world class assassins costs money too, but it's the League of Shadows or whatever Then the reveal that the eight-year Batman vacation was because his girlfriend died, oh my God that was dumb. His parents die, and that leads him to a psychotic life as a crime fighter, but then some girl he sort of dated dies, and he turns into Howard Hugues? The whole premise was flawed, which made the rest of it just silly. And the rest didn't make a lot more sense either, since Bane's "plan" made no sense. What was his goal? Why do any of it?

In retrospect, The Amazing Spider-Man looks a lot better. And the video game Arkham Asylum is better than both.

<sorry if this hurts any super fans here. I'll watch this again in six months and try to see if it's any better, but right now it just seems desperate for parody>

[purpleparadox]

def: Have you ever watched The Dark Knight? I can see the whole premise as being flawed if you didn't watch TDK first, but otherwise it makes perfect sense. 

He didn't take the hiatus simply because of Rachel, but also Harvey Dent. Additionally, he took the blame for Dent's crimes (5 murders, two of lthem cops), making him an outlaw. The police would be chasing him during every single second he was out as Batman. Batman wasn't needed enough until Bane arrived. 

However, the fact that Bruce Wayne became a recluse was due to extreme grief. He had believed that Rachel would wait for him, and she died. He didn't know how to cope. I can understand if you didn't like that, but I thought it worked perfectly.

I'd say TDKR trumps The Amazing Spiderman.

[Clone OPatra]

Then the reveal that the eight-year Batman vacation was because his girlfriend died, oh my God that was dumb. His parents die, and that leads him to a psychotic life as a crime fighter, but then some girl he sort of dated dies, and he turns into Howard Hugues?

Well the reason he wasn't going out as Batman made sense, but it's sort of a good point about Bruce Wayne not wanting to go out and socialize as Bruce Wayne. That's a little weird, although not a big enough problem to bother me. The problems for me lay more with the overall plot.

On second thought, reading purpleparadox's post, I'm not sure I agree with myself. Bruce Wayne going away made sense in the context, though you could say it was stupid how much he cared about Rachel that her death would cause him to hole up for years. I thought it worked fine, though.

I still thought it was better than Amazing Spider-Man, though.

[Fives]

I liked it, but some parts annoyed me. I don't know why some injuries have to be so unbelievable..

Loved Joseph Gordon-Levitt, bit of a man crush there

Couldn't understand what Bane said though, and if the prison was the Arkham Asylum, then it sucked. Big time.

The prison wasn't Arkham, it was The Pit, Nolan's realistic, non-fantasy version of the Lazarus Pit.

[TheBoyWonder]

And the other prison was black gate.

[Darth Lurtz]

The prison wasn't Arkham, it was The Pit, Nolan's realistic, non-fantasy version of the Lazarus Pit.

He could have also meant Blackgate prison where Bane releases all the prisoners.

Looks like someone beat me to it.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Darth Lurtz

[Bricktooth]

what do you all think of of Ra's' "immortality" in the film? Was what Bruce saw in the prison really an illusion or was Nolan hinting at the Lazerus Pit?

I think that it was definitely a hallucination. If Ra's was there in real life, he couldn't just disappear like that.