Batman Films Discussion

[LandShark]

I know I asked this before (no answer), but is there a topic for general Batman discussion?

On topic, I think Nolan may be going for a Cat-Burglar thing for Catwoman, rather than literal cats.

I did hear a rumor that the 'lens' of the goggles went up like cat ears when on her head, though.

As for Bane, I hope his back-story is vaguely similar to the comics, I really like that version. But I suppose anything better than the 'Batman and Robin' Bane.

[Clone OPatra]

I know I asked this before (no answer), but is there a topic for general Batman discussion?

Not that I know of. A search might turn one up, though.

[Aanchir]

I've never seen Batman Begins, but I saw The Dark Knight and really, really enjoyed it. So I hope this will have a similar impact on me, if I should choose to see it.

Frankly, I'm not a person who thinks adaptations necessarily have to be loyal to the source material to be any good. In fact, an exact adaptation of something might be more boring than a brand-new story that plays with the ideas of the source material. In Batman's case, the source material has a long and storied past, but I think it's fun to see installments like the Nolan films that are extremely loosely adapted from the comics, instead exploring the characters and themes from a different perspective. Batman is a wonderful character, and seeing different people's spin on such a classic icon is very fun just for variety's sake.

Of course, others who have a more thorough love of the comics might feel differently. And I can't say my taste in movies is excellent-- I loved the Star Wars prequels and The Last Airbender for similar reasons. Still, I feel loyalty to the source material is sometimes overrated.

[LandShark]

Not that I know of. A search might turn one up, though.

I can't see anything, nothing from the past 4 years at least.

[Clone OPatra]

I can't see anything, nothing from the past 4 years at least.

Hmm, well, perhaps it would be fitting to just turn this one into a discussion of Nolan's (or all?) Batman films with rumors and news about the new one. What does anybody think of that idea?

[The Penguin]

Hmm, well, perhaps it would be fitting to just turn this one into a discussion of Nolan's (or all?) Batman films with rumors and news about the new one. What does anybody think of that idea?

I fully agree. This one will be quite suitable for Nolan films and the TDKR news, while I ( ) can create a topic for general Batman discussion, which may prove to be pretty useful once the new theme is launched.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Clone OPatra]

Alright, you can do that Penguin. I've retitled (and subtitled) this thread to be about Batman films in general, since that's where the conversation was going anyway.

So continue everybody!

[LandShark]

Thanks, Clone O'Patra.

Anyway, I don't think anyone's posted this yet:

EDIT: Video didn't work, Here's a Link

A video a what seems to be a Bat-Wing type vehicle, on set of TDKR.

Edited August 31, 2011 by LandShark

[dr jones]

Sorry for bumping this thread, but I remembered there were a lot of complaints about Catwoman not having a proper mask.

I saw the picture again and when zooming in I noticed something coming out from behind the goggles.

I think this is a dominomask (in the style of nightwing's) and that she does have catears, just on the mask.

[Lothos]

Lothos's Prediction about tdkr.

1. bane is a terrorist, possible trained by the league. the voice over of Ras just sort of hints that they might pop back up.

2. The tumbler we've seen in previews could be 1 of 2 things.

1. Since wayne industries did make them, they could have easily sold a couple before money bags got a hold of it.

2. They rip it off from Wayne in his super secret r n d.

3. Think of the Miller batman comic, apply that time period, remove the robin/joker/yates story line. Apply the fact that Bruce is almost 40, he's been in exile for 8 years, Gordon and him probably pall around.

4. The batwing will probably be one of the many things that Bruce has been working on for said 8 years. Also I hope to god we see a bat cave rather then a bat bunker.

5. Catwoman will probably be a thief like everyone in the world has stated already, but probably in cahoots with the league, if they are in fact back.

Probably wrong on all fronts, but hey speculation is the best part of waiting for a new movie to come out. I for one will be there at a midnight showing, with batman hoodie.

One last bugaboo.

When I started to make the connection that movies will never be as good as the book, there are a few exceptions, movies will never be as good as the comic version. Ever. Nolan's pretty s-m-r-t though. He's taking bits and pieces from- The long halloween, dark victory, the dark knight returns, Year one (No matter what people say, the first nolan bat flick had alot of year one in it). It's not a bad idea, that's for sure, but these movies are made for mass populace. They always will be, look at the first three spiderman flicks. Terrible, utter garbage, but people were all sorts of WOOOOOOOOOO about it. Comic books translated on screen? I can think of one book that did it well, and that was "Year one." Granted they didn't really get creative about it, but they did hit the nail on the head as far as the story and pacing went. Apologies this comes from a cranky old man who's read comics for most of his life. I don't expect to see a comic book on the big screen anytime soon. Sin city was pretty close too, forgot about that.

[Lothos]

Lothos's Prediction about tdkr.

1. bane is a terrorist, possible trained by the league. the voice over of Ras just sort of hints that they might pop back up.

2. The tumbler we've seen in previews could be 1 of 2 things.

1. Since wayne industries did make them, they could have easily sold a couple before money bags got a hold of it.

2. They rip it off from Wayne in his super secret r n d.

3. Think of the Miller batman comic, apply that time period, remove the robin/joker/yates story line. Apply the fact that Bruce is almost 40, he's been in exile for 8 years, Gordon and him probably pall around.

4. The batwing will probably be one of the many things that Bruce has been working on for said 8 years. Also I hope to god we see a bat cave rather then a bat bunker.

5. Catwoman will probably be a thief like everyone in the world has stated already, but probably in cahoots with the league, if they are in fact back.

Probably wrong on all fronts, but hey speculation is the best part of waiting for a new movie to come out. I for one will be there at a midnight showing, with batman hoodie.

One last bugaboo.

When I started to make the connection that movies will never be as good as the book, there are a few exceptions, movies will never be as good as the comic version. Ever. Nolan's pretty s-m-r-t though. He's taking bits and pieces from- The long halloween, dark victory, the dark knight returns, Year one (No matter what people say, the first nolan bat flick had alot of year one in it). It's not a bad idea, that's for sure, but these movies are made for mass populace. They always will be, look at the first three spiderman flicks. Terrible, utter garbage, but people were all sorts of WOOOOOOOOOO about it. Comic books translated on screen? I can think of one book that did it well, and that was "Year one." Granted they didn't really get creative about it, but they did hit the nail on the head as far as the story and pacing went. Apologies this comes from a cranky old man who's read comics for most of his life. I don't expect to see a comic book on the big screen anytime soon. Sin city was pretty close too, forgot about that.

[5150 Lego]

New trailer for the Dark Knight Rises debuted over the weekend with Sherlock Homles and Mission Impossible. Quality isn't the best, but i guess its better than nothing.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/pop-culture/news/watch-the-dark-knight-rises-bootlegged-trailer/60548.htm

They were also supposed to show the 7 minute pro logue with Mission impossible, but it wasn't linked to every showing of mission impossible. Oh well. Heard the trailer was better anyhow since many complained they couldn't understand what Bane was saying in the pro logue.

[Ceroknight]

New trailer for the Dark Knight Rises debuted over the weekend with Sherlock Homles and Mission Impossible. Quality isn't the best, but i guess its better than nothing.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/pop-culture/news/watch-the-dark-knight-rises-bootlegged-trailer/60548.htm

They were also supposed to show the 7 minute pro logue with Mission impossible, but it wasn't linked to every showing of mission impossible. Oh well. Heard the trailer was better anyhow since many complained they couldn't understand what Bane was saying in the pro logue.

Looks really good thanks for sharing!

Yea when I watched mission impossible, there were no trailers at all so I missed this..

[The Penguin]

Okay, am I the only one who thinks that everything we've seen and learned about this film is total um..... never mind?

Bane looks terrible, Catwoman looks terrible. And the scene in the party is a definite spin-off from Batman Returns scene with Bruce and Selina. And a very weak one!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Scorpiox]

Okay, am I the only one who thinks that everything we've seen and learned about this film is total um..... never mind?

Bane looks terrible, Catwoman looks terrible. And the scene in the party is a definite spin-off from Batman Returns scene with Bruce and Selina. And a very weak one!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

Bane does look terrible, he doesn't bear a resemblence to the character in any way. He's just a random guy with a mask and a furry coat. Where's his super-strength? Where's his venom?

I liked the first two films in the series, but I'm not sure about this one.

Edited December 21, 2011 by Scorpiox

[The Penguin]

And is it me or while saying ": You have my permission to die!" Bane actually sounds like Cad Bane?

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Zarkan]

Okay, am I the only one who thinks that everything we've seen and learned about this film is total um..... never mind?

Bane looks terrible, Catwoman looks terrible. And the scene in the party is a definite spin-off from Batman Returns scene with Bruce and Selina. And a very weak one!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

I'm sure you're not the only one, but I don't understand why you have to roll your eyes at the fact that a lot of people don't share your opinion.

Edit: scratch that, a better phrase would be "a lot of people on eurobricks," because most of your complaints are ones that have been quite prevalent around the general internet. As for me, I'm not a comic book geek or anything, but I have to say this looks really good.

Edited December 21, 2011 by Zarkan

[The Penguin]

2Zarkan My emoticon refered to the video, not some particular member. How ever I feel rather tempted to do it now.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

Edited December 22, 2011 by The Penguin

[Siegfried]

Okay, am I the only one who thinks that everything we've seen and learned about this film is total um..... never mind?

Bane looks terrible, Catwoman looks terrible. And the scene in the party is a definite spin-off from Batman Returns scene with Bruce and Selina. And a very weak one!

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

And is it me or while saying ": You have my permission to die!" Bane actually sounds like Cad Bane?

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

Mr Cobblepot I'm with you 100%. I thought the Dark Knight was bad, but this one is even worse. I may just have to miss this one completely and make a film with my Batman LEGO. It'd be less flashy, but it would be more true to the source...

[djmangunz]

I am sure if you didn't like the other Nolan versions of Batman, it is safe to say that you won't enjoy this one. But for those of us that did, the trailer hints at a fantastic ending. My only complaint is that I can't understand what the heck Bane is saying with his mask on. Although the mask does look kinda freaky, like some snout with fangs.

Penguin, I would assume that you would prefer a film that featured your namesake as the villain. Well, if the rumors are true that Warner Brothers wants to use the Batman name to replace Harry Potter as a multi-film franchise (read: like seven or eight additional films, with a new director of course) there is a good chance you will get your wish

[The Penguin]

Mr Cobblepot I'm with you 100%. I thought the Dark Knight was bad, but this one is even worse. I may just have to miss this one completely and make a film with my Batman LEGO. It'd be less flashy, but it would be more true to the source...

Glad to meet another reasonable person around!

Well, I'm looking forward to it. Some LEGO Batman films on YouTube are just ingenious!

Penguin, I would assume that you would prefer a film that featured your namesake as the villain. Well, if the rumors are true that Warner Brothers wants to use the Batman name to replace Harry Potter as a multi-film franchise (read: like seven or eight additional films, with a new director of course) there is a good chance you will get your wish

You make it sound as if my only grudge against Nolan is that he never included me in them. I wouldn't really mind to have a look at all those villains that he picked up if they actually had something in them apart from names from Batman franchise.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

[Peanuts]

I don't know.

I enjoyed the first two Nolan movies, but I understand why some hardcore Batman fans haven't. I don't mind different interpretations of characters too much in most cases, and the movies still were enjoyable.

But if Bane doesn't have Venom and superstrengh, he's not really Bane. That'd be like a Batman who doesn't dress up like a bat. But it's not confirmed he doesn't use venom, is it? So there's still hoping. The mask is, dunno, strange. As well as the coat. Not very Bane-like, but I'll have to wait how he turns out.

And I can't read much more out of that trailer. Selina wasn't in there dressed as catwoman, was she? I'm not sure. So I can't say anything about the approach on her.

The two former Nolan movies at least had a relatively good storyline, so I'm hoping I'll enjoy this one too.

[dr jones]

You make it sound as if my only grudge against Nolan is that he never included me in them. I wouldn't really mind to have a look at all those villains that he picked up if they actually had something in them apart from names from Batman franchise.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )

And you, with all respect, make it sound as if Nolan's films are just as bad as, I don't know, the third Transformers or GI Joe.

While I understand that the way he sees the universe, isn't in line with your view, the movies, as a movie, not as an interpretation of Batman, aren't badly made.

And are certainly on par with some other great movies like Inception.

If you would view one of them, without knowing anything of Batman, you would enjoy them just as a smart blockbuster.

But it seems to me,that you don't really like, or even respect, versions of a character that are different than your view. I noticed this as well with the Arkham City villains. The ones that have changed from the original 'classic' designs, were the ones you liked the least.

I hope you understand that I mean no disrespect, and I do respect your opinions. But this is something I noted, and wanted to get out of my system.

No hard feelings I hope.

[Siegfried]

But it seems to me,that you don't really like, or even respect, versions of a character that are different than your view. I noticed this as well with the Arkham City villains. The ones that have changed from the original 'classic' designs, were the ones you liked the least.

I realise you're not replying to me, but I personally can tolerate (what I see as) small changes providing the character is unaltered. Most of the changes in the Rocksteady games are minor (but they did change Penguin too much IMHO) and thus I had no problem with the games. (In fact I quite like them... aside from the fact they kill too many characters.) But I'm struggling to see how this "Bane" even is Bane. His voice implies a different background for one. But Nolan has done this in every movie and for the most part his changes are beyond my tolerance;

Batman: Past completely different. Instead of spending years logically training he stuffed around for years and then was taught how to be a ninja.

Lucius Fox: Knows who Batman is!

Ra's al Ghul: So way off I don't know where to start.

Joker: Forgets to be funny.

Two Face: Too short a life.

Scarecrow: Too pretty, but I can tolerate him.

Quite simply Nolan has no respect for the source material. One could say "why does it matter"... but it does. If he's going to use actual Characters then he should use them as they are. The people who don't know Batman wont know or care, and people like me will be happier.

[The Penguin]

I totally agree with Siegfried. I wouldn't be able to say it better.

The point is not that I respect or do not respect Nolan's view on characters. Why, you call me a comic geek and indeed I am when it concerns Batman. So you really think that I can be intolerable to ANY version of Batman or his characters?! Batman is 70 years old! Can you imagine how many different incarnations he had? And any Batman fan is tolerant and used to different takes on characters.

My point is that Nolan is a good (and perhaps a very good) director, but it does not mean he can take on any task. Batman is simply not his world. I hope you understand me. Burton lived in the demented Gotham reality. Heck, even Shumacher showed a bit of on-drugs insanity of it. Nolan failed. Not because he's a bad director, but simply because it's just not his.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )