Star Wars: The Clone Wars: season 3 discussion

[Corvus]

Preview clips of Evil plans and bonus preview for Hunt For Ziro Including Vos!!!

http://starwars.com/video/view/001139.html

http://starwars.com/video/view/001140.html

Yay! Thank you.

Seems to me that C-3P0 would have information. After all, he's been at Padme's side since the end of episode II. He would have memories of the senate building, which would be somewhat useful, although not quite as good as R2's schematics.

That white droid seems familiar. Wasn't it in Jabba's palace?

Commander Obvious quote: "Ship entering from the west, sir."

The music during Vos's entrance fit perfectly.

[Masked Builder]

Vos is distinctly Anakin-like. But better. I can't wait for the episodes now.

I SO agree. He's going to be awesome. Lucas Film!

[The Legonater]

I hope they keep the established Vos that doesn't respect the clones nearly as much as, say, OBI-Wan.

Edited November 2, 2010 by The Legonater

[Masked Builder]

I hope they keep the established Vos that doesn't respect the clones nearly as much as, say, OBI-Wan.

I definitely like that part of him. Don't go picking on Obi-wan.

[sok117]

That white droid seems familiar. Wasn't it in Jabba's palace?

yeah, he was the one branding the Gonk Droid in the back ground

[XimenaPaulina]

Yay! It's great to finally see Vos in the series. However, he looks too "happy-go-lucky" (the complete opposite of the ever-so-serious and uptight Kenobi?) from the mere seconds of exposure in the trailer. I do hope the series will give justice to his characterization.

I hope they keep the established Vos that doesn't respect the clones nearly as much as, say, OBI-Wan.

Maybe that's why he arrived alone, without any clone troops, in the RGS as seen in the trailer.

[Penitent Tangent]

This is where things begin to get touchy. I don't care about the EU at all.. as has been discussed before, the EU is essentially fanfiction that can be overwritten at any point by Lucas or the writers of this show. I don't care if they changed what the EU has said previously about Greedo or Aurra Sing because all of that was just EXPANDED fiction. Non canon.

But Vos is a character that directly comes from the EU, so he's obviously there to appeal to the EU fans, so changing what's already established about his character would be a very bizarre move and there'd be no reason to use him over a completely brand new character. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with him.. It may draw in some of the EU fans who've been completely against the show up until now but could very easily make them hate it even more right away too.

[The Legonater]

But Vos is a character that directly comes from the EU, so he's obviously there to appeal to the EU fans, so changing what's already established about his character would be a very bizarre move and there'd be no reason to use him over a completely brand new character. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with him.. It may draw in some of the EU fans who've been completely against the show up until now but could very easily make them hate it even more right away too.

Then again, they did do that with Mandolore, didn't they?

[Artanis I]

This is where things begin to get touchy. I don't care about the EU at all.. as has been discussed before, the EU is essentially fanfiction that can be overwritten at any point by Lucas or the writers of this show. I don't care if they changed what the EU has said previously about Greedo or Aurra Sing because all of that was just EXPANDED fiction. Non canon.

But Vos is a character that directly comes from the EU, so he's obviously there to appeal to the EU fans, so changing what's already established about his character would be a very bizarre move and there'd be no reason to use him over a completely brand new character. So it'll be interesting to see what they do with him.. It may draw in some of the EU fans who've been completely against the show up until now but could very easily make them hate it even more right away too.

He was mentioned in um I think it was episode 3, so he's not completely foreign to those not into EU. Just like when Obi Wan said "clone wars" in episode 4. It was in passing, so people know he existed but know nothing about him (yet), which makes them curious and keen to see an appearance.

[XimenaPaulina]

He was mentioned in um I think it was episode 3, so he's not completely foreign to those not into EU. Just like when Obi Wan said "clone wars" in episode 4. It was in passing, so people know he existed but know nothing about him (yet), which makes them curious and keen to see an appearance.

The mention of Vos in RoTS is essentially negligible, I didn't even care who he was when Obi said his name in the movie. It's just after browsing through wookieepedia that I chanced upon Vos and learned about him more there. So I agree this will be a good chance for non-EU fans to get introduced to Vos' character.

[ADHO15]

I don't think we've seen

Hunt For Ziro preview clip, have we?

The twi'lek headdresses.

Anybody else hear Gardulla say 'Solo' and 'Chewbacca'?

Edited November 5, 2010 by ADHO15

[Corvus]

I don't think we've seen

Hunt For Ziro preview clip, have we?

The twi'lek headdresses.

Anybody else hear Gardulla say 'Solo' and 'Chewbacca'?

All right. Greedo and Bossk are minor characters. I can shrug off them being thrown in TCW. But Han and Chewie? I really, really hope that the CW team threw that in there as a joke in the Hutt's language. Because it really didn't seem to have anything to do with the situation at hand.

The Twi'lek headdresses are funny, though.

[CMP]

I just watched the new one. Mixed feelings.

So Padme is holding some kind of dinner for peaceful Senators or something. That's small enough to not be anything that could damage the Republic or anything, so they send R2 and 3P0 to go get some fruit to finish off the dessert.

I'm kinda confused. Anakin sends R2 and 3P0 into the scavenger-riddled Coruscant underground? I guess that's why he made Artoo go too. Threepio trying to haggle with the fruit seller was kind of funny. But then Todo flies in! He plays a con artist and gets Artoo to go to this droid spa thing. And he does. It's weird, Anakin specifically told him 'not to get distracted', and while Threepio doesn't, Artoo does? Strange.

So after Threepio is tortured (having him deal with an actual bad guy is funny), but he doesn't have the info, so Bane sends in the Assassin droid and Todo to go get Artoo. He's been getting an oil bath with a couple of luxury droids. It results in this chase scene. The Assassin mistakenly blasts another astro droid, to which another droid yells, "Murderer!" .Todo uses Threepio to get Artoo out of hiding. "Noble, yes. Wise? I think not." And while I thought Artoo would orchestrate some kind of escape, everything just about goes as Bane planned. Droid's memories are wiped, and they are dropped into the street again just in time to save the world fruitcake.

Meanwhile, Bane goes to Jabba's Palace. There was some kind of Hutt council meeting with holos, which reminded me a lot of the Jedi council. Then we realize Ziro isn't going to get saved by Jabba for punishment-he has some kind of damagining evidence to the council. And then of course Bane gets hired.

For once, the dialog was better than the action. A decent episode.

[commanderneyo]

@CallMePie they were service droids not Luxury droids.

Some of these from the episode guide clears or makes worse the confusion.

This episode takes place some time after "Holocron Heist," which saw the destruction of Todo 360. Todo was rebuilt off-screen by Anakin Skywalker after the episode "Children of the Force," in an attempt by the Jedi to learn more about Bane and his whereabouts. The plan goes wrong and Todo escapes. The episode immediately after this one is "Hostage Crisis."

The baker droid is voiced by Duff Goldman from the TV show "Ace of Cakes"; the Food Network show had previously based an entire episode on creating an R2-D2 cake for The Clone Wars season two wrap party.

The droid that yells "Murderer!" at Todo and the assassin droid was voiced by Matt Lanter, the voice of Anakin Skywalker!

This episode finally reveals who hired Cad Bane for the liberation of Ziro the Hutt: it was the bosses of the Hutt crime families. The design and characterizations of some of the five Hutt families were inspired by mob bosses from classic cinema, including those played by Edward G. Robinson and Marlon Brando

Senator Aang is a Roonan, a species developed as a background alien in the Senate in Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace. That he is a member of the Military Oversight Committee, and that Padmé is trying to persuade his vote, are clues that this episode takes place before "Senate Murders.

[CMP]

@CallMePie they were service droids not Luxury droids.

Some of these from the episode guide clears or makes worse the confusion.

This episode takes place some time after "Holocron Heist," which saw the destruction of Todo 360. Todo was rebuilt off-screen by Anakin Skywalker after the episode "Children of the Force," in an attempt by the Jedi to learn more about Bane and his whereabouts. The plan goes wrong and Todo escapes. The episode immediately after this one is "Hostage Crisis."

Huh. That does make it more confusing.

I thought it went like this:

Whatever episode this one is

Hostage Crisis

Hunt for Ziro

Holocron Heist

Children of the Force

But hey! It means Todo can still be in episodes.

[Penitent Tangent]

Then again, they did do that with Mandolore, didn't they?

Mandalore existed before the EU, it just wasn't fleshed out. The fact George Lucas wanted to take it in a different direction than what the fans thought it should have been isn't his fault. Although, in my opinion, it definitely seems their building up to Mandalore reverting to a more war like civilization. Either by Satine turning evil or by Deathwatch taking control, but I expect to see some kind of story like this for the season finale.. But my point was that Vos (other than his basic appearance) was completely an EU creation. So saying "Hey look EU fans, it's Vos!" and then completely changing him wouldn't make much sense.

Anyway, I somewhat enjoyed the new episode. Wasn't particularly exciting and felt more like filler than anything else, but it had a very different tone from the past few episodes and I think it's good to change things up every now and again. It had some really cool set pieces. Bane didn't come off as incompetent, which I was worried would happen and the build up for the next episode was good. Pretty average in all, but at least better than those two Mandalore episodes.

[commanderneyo]

Huh. That does make it more confusing.

I thought it went like this:

Whatever episode this one is

Hostage Crisis

Hunt for Ziro

Holocron Heist

Children of the Force

But hey! It means Todo can still be in episodes.

Originally Lucas said that about the episodes which would mean Bane couldn't die this season but changed his mind last minute.

Here's how it goes.

1.Holocron Heist.

2.Cargo of doom.

3.Children of the Force.

4.Evil Plans.

5.Hostage Crisis.

6.Hunt For Ziro.

[Oky]

Yes, the episode was alright. I love Coruscant, I love droids, and I like Bane, so it was definitely enjoyable for me. And seeing Artoo get a luxury treatment while Threepio got tortured was hilarious. No surprises though, except for the thing about Ziro. Now it finally makes sense why this weirdo is so important, and why they're making these pre/sequels to Hostage Crisis. Hostage Crisis was just a cool way of introducing Bane and ending the season with a bang, whereas these episodes are about the whole deal with Ziro. I still think they should have shown them in order, but oh well.

I was disappointed though that Todo had such a small part in this. He was so much fun in Holocron Heist, but here he seemed to be just doing his job. Perhaps after being rebuilt, he doesn't have the personality he had before? Maybe it's just me...

Despite it revolving around Ziro, the next episode looks promising. Hopefully we'll get a nice actiony episode before we dive into the political ones again.

Oh, and CallMePie, why don't you leave the episode reviewing to me and def.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Oky Wan Kenobi

[DarthSion]

Meh, so damn boring this season, when are they getting to the saavage and night sisters, if there isn't a good lightsaber battle, or epic space battle I am going to scream.

Did I miss something, has Lucas put someone new in charge or is he loosing his mind, would explain why this and TFU2 suck so bad.

BTW, how do I put this, did it seem like they gave those cleaning droids robo breasts.

[CMP]

Oh, and CallMePie, why don't you leave the episode reviewing to me and def.

I don't wanna wait 6 months though.

Meh, so damn boring this season, when are they getting to the saavage and night sisters, if there isn't a good lightsaber battle, or epic space battle I am going to scream.

Did I miss something, has Lucas put someone new in charge or is he loosing his mind, would explain why this and TFU2 suck so bad.

BTW, how do I put this, did it seem like they gave those cleaning droids robo breasts.

Bah, you hate anything that's not The Force Unleashed 1.

[JimBee]

Well I'm all caught up now, so I can finally comment on this thread.

I really like the direction Season 3 is taking. So far, IMO, it has been the best, except maybe the most recent episode. Now why would Anikan be supervising a party when there's a war to be fought? I do like the return of Bane though.

And in recent episodes, I like the return of Ventress, Dooku, and Grievous (although those appearances were in prequel episodes, does this mean that they will not be returning?), as well as the plethora of new characters. Embo and the other bounty hunters are cool, and I had hoped that Aurra hadn't died. Personally, I would like see an episode with both Bane and Embo in it.

Looking forward to the next episode, and hopefully def and Oky Wan won't be too overwhelmed to review the season once it's over.

[Artanis I]

Is there a chronologically ordered list of episodes somewhere? When this is all over that's the order I'm going to be rewatching the series in...

Someone mentioned the Hutts using the words "Solo" & "Chewbacca"... wouldn't be the first time the Huttese spoken doesn't line up with context or subtitles.

[The Legonater]

And in recent episodes, I like the return of Ventress, Dooku, and Grievous (although those appearances were in prequel episodes, does this mean that they will not be returning?), as well as the plethora of new characters. Embo and the other bounty hunters are cool, and I had hoped that Aurra hadn't died. Personally, I would like see an episode with both Bane and Embo in it.

Well, unless they intened to go 50+ years into the future, Aurra gonna be staying alive

[Oky]

Now why would Anikan be supervising a party when there's a war to be fought?

Well, this episode was a prequel to Hostage Crisis, and didn't he say in that episode that he was on a "meditative retreat" in order to spend time with Padme?

And in recent episodes, I like the return of Ventress, Dooku, and Grievous (although those appearances were in prequel episodes, does this mean that they will not be returning?)

Of course they'll return! Why wouldn't they? After all, they're the most important people in their faction aside from Sidious.

Personally, I would like see an episode with both Bane and Embo in it.

Yeah, like Bane hiring Sugi & the crew for one of his jobs!

Looking forward to the next episode, and hopefully def and Oky Wan won't be too overwhelmed to review the season once it's over.

Don't worry, we'll manage. Somehow.

[Professor Flitwick]

Saw the most recent episode, which wasn't too over or under-whelming. Seeing 3PO haggle was rather funny, but the entire episode just felt so long winded, at the starting point feels like plot to 1980's Nintendo game. "Oh Noez, I'v runz out ofz fruitz, wil u goez pik sum up", and low and behold, the bad guy sprouts up, declaring the actual plot line, to which the hero will eventually return to his princess and say "look I got the fruit, glad to get a speaking line in the filler parts".

The only real interesting part was the Hutt concil, which has at least intrigued me enough to the next episodes squeal, which is a prequel, to the sequal of a WHHAAAAA

Of course they'll return! Why wouldn't they? After all, they're the most important people in their faction aside from Sidious.

I think I see what JB is getting at here, because it's one of my concerns too: When will we get back to Republic vs. Separatists, as opposed to the Jedi c vs. Bounty Hunters? Variety may be the spice of life, but too much Paprika and you've ruined a perfectly nice salad, and after all it's Star Wars: The Clone Wars!