Artanis I Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Really don't know what there wasn't to like about this episode.. Other than the whole questionable assassination attempt, which wasn't that much of a big deal. To me it seemed like she wanted to kill him herself, really get revenge for what happened. Not simply poison him in his sleep. but I didn't like that Ventress got them in a double choke-hold so easily Was waiting for Dooku to use force lightning BTW... Quote
Forresto Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 If you think the assassination didn't make sense, how is that fantastic writing? And why does everyone like Dooku's PJs so much? They didn't even look all that much different from his usual costume. There's no question about it that this episode seems great in comparison to what we've gotten so far in this season, but it's still not a very good episode. However, you're right that it was nice to see an episode from a villain's POV. I hope we see more of that, especially with Grievous! What do you mean? It made perfect sense, especially to Palpatine/Sideous's character. Ventress was an honest threat to him that he needed stopped. It's the whole Sith rule of two due to their backstabbing ways. Ventress is like Starkiller from TFU and he was also betrayed due to the Emperor ordering him dead. The sith always betray eachother especially palpatine and it was pretty clear that Dooku wasn't too thrilled about doing it. The thing is, Palpatine wants the war to continue going and he doesn't want either side to gain much ground. It was stupid tactically from the Seppie's perspective but not from Sideou's perspective. I always had the opinion that Dooku wasn't expecting the Separatists to win or that he didn't care as long as his master gave him power in the end. He knows Sideous is really Palpatine. Quote
Artanis I Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 What do you mean? It made perfect sense, especially to Palpatine/Sideous's character. Ventress was an honest threat to him that he needed stopped. It's the whole Sith rule of two due to their backstabbing ways. Ventress is like Starkiller from TFU and he was also betrayed due to the Emperor ordering him dead. The sith always betray eachother especially palpatine and it was pretty clear that Dooku wasn't too thrilled about doing it. The thing is, Palpatine wants the war to continue going and he doesn't want either side to gain much ground. It was stupid tactically from the Seppie's perspective but not from Sideou's perspective. I always had the opinion that Dooku wasn't expecting the Separatists to win or that he didn't care as long as his master gave him power in the end. He knows Sideous is really Palpatine. I think the question was about the method of Ventress et al attempted assassination of Dooku, not the reasoning behind Dooku's (incorrectly assumed as successful) elimination of Ventress. Quote
RileyC Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I thought the episode was actually pretty good. I didnt even know that Dookue was wearing Pjs. They looked pretty much the same. Though I didnt get why they didnt just use a sniper rifle and kill him there and then (well except that he has to live). Cause they could get him with a little dart thing and he didnt suspect it why not just shoot him.? It will be interesting in the next couple of episodes what happens to ventress. Whether she just fades away or they actually give her a complete send off. Or Savaage dies and she comes back, though that wouldnt progress the clone wars very far. They would just be back to square one. Though the commentary for it was interesting. Filoni talked about how they used the Nighsisters from the EU and he said something like, "and we changed them around to fit into George's world" (paraphrased abit, cant remember it all). Now that was something that really struck me. Its like George has his own universe which he can change and add what he wants. Then there's Star Wars and anyone can create for it. And its an interesting idea to look at it and I really do like the idea. Quote
Artanis I Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I thought the episode was actually pretty good. I didnt even know that Dookue was wearing Pjs. They looked pretty much the same. Though I didnt get why they didnt just use a sniper rifle and kill him there and then (well except that he has to live). Cause they could get him with a little dart thing and he didnt suspect it why not just shoot him.? ... Though the commentary for it was interesting. Filoni talked about how they used the Nighsisters from the EU and he said something like, "and we changed them around to fit into George's world" (paraphrased abit, cant remember it all). Now that was something that really struck me. Its like George has his own universe which he can change and add what he wants. Then there's Star Wars and anyone can create for it. And its an interesting idea to look at it and I really do like the idea. Not much satisfaction of revenge if she just snipes him down? I found it interesting to watch the bonus material on The Clone Wars Blu-Rays, Dave brings a similar thing up a few times, especially in regard to Mandalorians. George Lucas created 1 character (Boba), all these other people came up with heaps of (Mandalore) EU and Dave gets asked to somehow include it in the show but get it to fit George's idea of what it would be like. (Then the people familiar with EU kick up a stink because it's incompatible with how they saw it!) Quote
commdr_neyo Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Yeah, the Sapce Battle in the beginning was the best, and the lightsaber battle in the hanger was reall well choreographed too, but I didn't like that Ventress got them in a double choke-hold so easily. The part where she tore apart those scavengers was pretty sweet though. And I thought it was reall dumb how the space battle was reminisient of Episode 3, which speaking of, I don't get how Obi-wan became such a bad pilot, cause he seemed to do really good against Slave 1 in episode 2. And I don't know how his ship started working again magically. The assasination atempt was cool, but I thought the ending was rushed. Thats all really, kind of meh for me, but I can't wait to see Savage, and I agree it was a lot better then all the senate episodes. Haha, I just read your post, and I agree on everything here. I'd love too see some more villan episodes. Not too much, though. Also, I found the space battle great, but the crash was too similar to Ep.III for me. The battle in the hangar was great, though Edited January 11, 2011 by commdr_neyo Quote
commanderneyo Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) Haha, I just read your post, and I agree on everything here. I'd love too see some more villan episodes. Not too much, though. Also, I found the space battle great, but the crash was too similar to Ep.III for me. The battle in the hangar was great, though Monster (The Next Episode) is based on Villains as well.It starts off with Ventress testing out who is the best Male Zabrak Apprentice for Dooku which is Opress. Then Dooku is introduced to Savage by Talzin (A clip show a while ago). dooku starts Training Savage. Then he sends Savage to take out Republic Forces somewhere. A clip already shown the one where he Slices and Dices those ARF's. Edited January 11, 2011 by commanderneyo Quote
General Magma Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) New preview for episode 13 "Monster": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A15vGdEk7kw ~ General Magma Edited January 12, 2011 by General Magma Quote
JimBee Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I really liked "Nightsisters", for the most part. The background given to Ventress was good, at least for a kid's show, and I like how the second half of S3 is taking a darker turn (in atmosphere and storyline). I liked the lightsaber duel and the space battle a lot, althout I have to bicker about other things. A huge fail goes to both attempts to take out a character. First, Obi-Wan and Anakin had the perfect opportunity to slay Ventress. And if it's not the Jedi way, well too bad. You expect a Sith to come quietly? Where would they even put her, or contain her? She could always use the force to escape. Just kill her. Also, the assassins had the perfect opportunity to kill Dooku. But they waited for him to use lightning. Also, wouldn't Dooku sense them coming, before they used the toxin? Or even sense that Ventress was alive after the explosion? He's a Sith lord. He's powerful. He shouldn't be prone to these things. I agree on the comments about this episode not being as great because of the fact that we already knew Dooku would survive. But I guess it was more of a build-up to Savage. We don't really know what happens to Ventress or Savage yet (unless you looked at the spoilers). Also, I thought it was pretty funny that Dooku was wearing PJs. I've always imagined him as a cold, wise, and chivalrous Sith, so it was amusing to see him fight in his comfortable PJs. Quote
General Magma Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) I really liked "Nightsisters", for the most part. The background given to Ventress was good, at least for a kid's show, and I like how the second half of S3 is taking a darker turn (in atmosphere and storyline). I liked the lightsaber duel and the space battle a lot, althout I have to bicker about other things. The space battle was the best part of that episode IMO. However, the background story given to Ventress isn't new: it already appeared, featuring the same Jedi Master, in a comic book several years ago. They probably just want to add things to the Clone Wars - things that already appeared earlier, in the EU. A huge fail goes to both attempts to take out a character. First, Obi-Wan and Anakin had the perfect opportunity to slay Ventress. And if it's not the Jedi way, well too bad. You expect a Sith to come quietly? Where would they even put her, or contain her? She could always use the force to escape. Just kill her. Also, the assassins had the perfect opportunity to kill Dooku. But they waited for him to use lightning. Also, wouldn't Dooku sense them coming, before they used the toxin? Or even sense that Ventress was alive after the explosion? He's a Sith lord. He's powerful. He shouldn't be prone to these things. I agree about the last sentences about Dooku, but if they killed off Ventress now, then what would happen to the Savage ARC? It's all about Ventress wanting revenge on Dooku for betraying her - if they just kill her off before that, there's no point in revenge anymore. Also, they can't just kill off Dooku. He still has to be able to make an appearance in Episode III. Also, I thought it was pretty funny that Dooku was wearing PJs. I've always imagined him as a cold, wise, and chivalrous Sith, so it was amusing to see him fight in his comfortable PJs. Atleast it wasn't a teddybear (probably ewok in this case) pyjama. ~ General Magma Edited January 13, 2011 by General Magma Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 However, the background story given to Ventress isn't new: it already appeared, featuring the same Jedi Master, in a comic book several years ago. They probably just want to add things to the Clone Wars - things that already appeared earlier, in the EU. So are you saying that they actually kept something from the EU and put it into the Clone Wars? If that's the case then wow, way to go Filoni. Quote
General Magma Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) So are you saying that they actually kept something from the EU and put it into the Clone Wars? If that's the case then wow, way to go Filoni. Yep. I believe it was featured in this comic as a flashback, by "Dark Horse Comics": Star Wars: Republic 60: "Hate and Fear" I haven't read it, but looking at the images they have made available to view for the public on Wookieepedia, you can see the death of Asajj's master - Ky Narec, the same person from "Nightsisters" - and it also took place on the same battle/fight, on Rattatak. Also, I just found this. Well, apparently they do exist, although the bald guy (I called him a "nightbrother" since we didn't know his real title/allegiance ) with the purple markings from the trailer isn't one of them. ~ General Magma Edited January 13, 2011 by General Magma Quote
commanderneyo Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) So are you saying that they actually kept something from the EU and put it into the Clone Wars? If that's the case then wow, way to go Filoni. Well Yes and.. No. Where he fought and where he died on were kept But His Killer was changed. In the Flashback In This Episode he is killed by a Pirate but in the EU he is killed by This Guy. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Osika_Kirske Heres a New Preview of Tomorows Episode!! http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/01/13/star-wars-the-clone-wars-savage-opress/ Edited January 13, 2011 by commanderneyo Quote
JimBee Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I agree about the last sentences about Dooku, but if they killed off Ventress now, then what would happen to the Savage ARC? It's all about Ventress wanting revenge on Dooku for betraying her - if they just kill her off before that, there's no point in revenge anymore. Also, they can't just kill off Dooku. He still has to be able to make an appearance in Episode III. Whoops, I meant to add to my thought. I meant that the characters shouldn't be put in that unrealistic situation. If they have plenty of chances to kill or arrest Ventress, but decide not to, rewrite the script so that they're not even put into that situation. So are you saying that they actually kept something from the EU and put it into the Clone Wars? If that's the case then wow, way to go Filoni. Agreed. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Where he fought and where he died on were kept But His Killer was changed. In the Flashback In This Episode he is killed by a Pirate but in the EU he is killed by This Guy. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Osika_Kirske Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. By the way, commanderneyo, would you mind working on your wonky capitalization? I've held off mentioning this before, but it's really getting annoying to read time and time again. Thanks. Quote
General Magma Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Yet another preview for episode 13 "Monster": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw2dEHvIzOw It's airing today (not for me, though - I'll have to watch it online sometime afterwards. ), but this is just an extra preview I found. ~ General Magma Edited January 14, 2011 by General Magma Quote
Oky Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) This episode was actually quite good! Aside from the awesome part where Savage single handedly wins the Battle of Devaron, it had some very nicely choreographed hand-to-hand fights. The whole thing about Ventress doing the same thing to Savage as Dooku did to her was portrayed very well too. Nothing to complain about. But shouldn't Zabraks be able to see well in the darkness with those glowing eyes? Edited January 15, 2011 by Oky Wan Kenobi Quote
DarthSion Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 I think I preferred the senate stuff, so far this Savaage story has been boring, for one we know Ventress can't get revenge so having a new sith like this just seems pointless. The whole voice echoes sucks, not as much as having the men seem weak and pathetic and the women, well better not say that. K9. This episode is the one that broke the camels back, I have officially given up on season 3 even coming close to redemption. Enough of the disposable clones and Jedi, what happened to them wanting us to feel more for them. Give us Rex back. When exactly do we get this so called secrets revealed stuff?. Quote
The Legonater Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 When exactly do we get this so called secrets revealed stuff?. That's already been settled- it's the new name for the episode guide. Quote
Masked Builder Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 I think I preferred the senate stuff, so far this Savaage story has been boring, for one we know Ventress can't get revenge so having a new sith like this just seems pointless. The whole voice echoes sucks, not as much as having the men seem weak and pathetic and the women, well better not say that. K9. This episode is the one that broke the camels back, I have officially given up on season 3 even coming close to redemption. I haven't seen it yet but it was written by George Lucas daughter so it had better be good! Quote
The Lego Man! Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Well now we know what the Dathomir Speeder looks like! And its ugly! Edited January 15, 2011 by The Lego Man! Quote
General Magma Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) I actually thought this was a good episode. My favorite part would have to be the "Battle" of Devaron. You're probably just being way too picky at many times, Sion - don't look at everything from the bad side. The Savage arc has only just started. One episode is only 22 minutes long, so don't criticize the whole season because of this episode already. The rest could get better, who knows. We do know that Ventress can't have revenge: but what will happen to Savage, and then, what will happen to Ventress? What will happen to both? Y'know, people's expectations are way too high, mostly. It was atleast better than most episodes. ~ General Magma Edited January 15, 2011 by General Magma Quote
Oky Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 so far this Savaage story has been boring, for one we know Ventress can't get revenge so having a new sith like this just seems pointless. True, but then again, a lot of episodes in this series suffer from "immortal" characters, so if you can see past that, the episodes are pretty good. However, that's bugging me in this plot arc too. Whenever Assajj or her mother says that she will kill Dooku, I can't help but say "Uh, no she wont" in my head, which takes the dramatic right out of those scenes. But like General Magma said, at least we don't know what exactly will happen to Assajj and Savage. When exactly do we get this so called secrets revealed stuff?. Maybe you haven't noticed, but we have already been getting it. In the last two episodes, for example, we have gotten a bunch of backstory on Assajj and Maul. That's already been settled- it's the new name for the episode guide. Are you being sarcastic? It's not just the episode guide, it's the subtitle and theme of the whole season, just like Season 2 was called "Rise of the Bounty Hunters". Well now we know what the Dathomir Speeder looks like! And its ugly! It's pretty weird, yes, but I didn't think it was that bad. And I think the Lego set looks better than the real thing. Quote
DarthSion Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Which is my whole point, this whole I will get revenge stuff, no you won't we all know Anakin kills Dukoo in 3, so that just completely kills the what might happen angle. Savaage is clearly disposable, the fact this whole nightsisters has been only about Ventress revenge completely took off any empathy one would have for Savaage making when he does die just as pointless as Joe clone. Having Savaage completely castrated by Ventress at the start then trying to make him bad megablocks is just geniass level stupid. Look its Ray Ramano as John McClane. Quote
Batman1 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Which is my whole point, this whole I will get revenge stuff, no you won't we all know Anakin kills Dukoo in 3, so that just completely kills the what might happen angle. Savaage is clearly disposable, the fact this whole nightsisters has been only about Ventress revenge completely took off any empathy one would have for Savaage making when he does die just as pointless as Joe clone. Having Savaage completely castrated by Ventress at the start then trying to make him bad megablocks is just geniass level stupid. Look its Ray Ramano as John McClane. What, just like how you spelt the word genius? I really enjoyed how Ventress broke Savage as it showed how ruthless Ventress and the Nightsisters are and how inferior the men are on the planet. I have really enjoyed how much depth this has given us to these characters including how interesting Savage is a character, as he could easily break away from Dooku and the Nightsisters. (It will be interesting to see how he interacts with Obi and Ani in the next episode). The depth they gave to Savage and his background was great and makes me feel for him as it directly relates to the episode's motto/moral (something along the lines of) 'Evil is taught' which seems that could be the line summing up Savage's future as he will be surrounded by evil and more interestingly will he break away from that evil. I have been really impressed with Katie's talent as a writer (wonder where she gets it from) and I feel optimistic about her writing future TCW episodes Batman1± Quote
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