The Legonater Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Maybe you haven't noticed, but we have already been getting it. In the last two episodes, for example, we have gotten a bunch of backstory on Assajj and Maul. Are you being sarcastic? It's not just the episode guide, it's the subtitle and theme of the whole season, just like Season 2 was called "Rise of the Bounty Hunters". I was under the impression we were told that was all it was. I guess not. As for Asajj's backstory, from what I've heard it had all already been established. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Senate stuff over this? Uh, puhleease. I don't understand what people are complaining about this episode, I think it's actually great, one of the best in the current series IMO. The bare-hand fistfight battle scene is very well coordinated and truly enjoyable to watch. I also like the emotional element attached to this episode, giving the old skinny Savage with a compassionate heart in the beginning only to make him a ruthless assassin in the end. I like the how Savage's badass persona was well portrayed when he threw those ARFs like a bunch of teddy bears and easily defeating a duo of inferior jedi. And I agree it's nice to have such relatively 'deep' backstory on this characters, first Assajj and now Savage. If only they were only able to give this same treatment to other important characters in the series as well. Quote
DarthSion Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Well how about this, so far Savaage has shown zero force abilities, and yet we are supposed to believe he killed/defeated that Jedi, who must be incredibly rubbish if he got taken out that quickly. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Well how about this, so far Savaage has shown zero force abilities, and yet we are supposed to believe he killed/defeated that Jedi, who must be incredibly rubbish if he got taken out that quickly. Is it really that hard to believe that brute force alone can take out those ineffective jedi? (Bolla Ropal, Ord Eniscence anyone?) How the episode portrayed Savage during that battle scene is quite believable for me, even without him showing any Force abilities. If he had defeated more competent jedi like Anakin, Obi-Wan, or Mace that would've been unbelievable, but I think they used/sacrificed the right 'rubbish' jedi to portray the scene well. Quote
Penitent Tangent Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) I think I preferred the senate stuff, so far this Savaage story has been boring, for one we know Ventress can't get revenge so having a new sith like this just seems pointless. The whole voice echoes sucks, not as much as having the men seem weak and pathetic and the women, well better not say that. K9. This episode is the one that broke the camels back, I have officially given up on season 3 even coming close to redemption. Enough of the disposable clones and Jedi, what happened to them wanting us to feel more for them. Give us Rex back. When exactly do we get this so called secrets revealed stuff?. I'm sorry you haven't been enjoying it, but I can't say I follow your complaints at all. These past two episodes have been excellent in terms of writing, character development and action.. Exactly what we've been asking for after that big string of senate episodes and it's easily been the most interesting story of the series so far. Yes, we know Dooku's ultimate fate, but that doesn't mean the things that lead up to it are boring. For example, we've only just found out what Dooku's real motives are, we may know that it's Anakin that eventually kills him in Episode III. But what happens to Ventress and Opress? Does Oppress eventually turn on Ventress and the Nightsisters? Does Dooku do away with another apprentice? Does he actually know what Ventress is planning and is simply planning something? Will both Ventress and Opress be killed by Jedi? Each other? Dooku? Introducing Opress was a great idea, because it gives us a new villain with interesting motives.. and one who's fate is unknown, which I agree, has been a bit of a problem for the series and Ventress has suffered up until this arc because she's had no personality or story at all, Savage is immediately a more appealing character. I also think it's nice to have more strong characters who aren't necessarily Jedi. The scene with him utterly destroying everything was supposed to show what a force he is to be reckoned with. And it did that perfectly. (even if it would be nice to have some of these "lesser" Jedi fleshed out a bit and not just have them show up to be killed!") That aside, knowing what eventually happens isn't always important. We knew Anakin became Vader at the end of the prequels.. We knew Starkiller couldn't kill Vader in TFU. And to use a few upcoming examples.. We know that Hawke in Dragon Age 2 becomes the Champion of Kirkwall from the very beginning of the game, the point is HOW he does this. Same with the new Hobbit movie releasing this year, we already know what happens to Bilbo, even if you haven't read the books. Sometimes the journey is more important than the end result :) I also have to say I liked the twist of having the females as the stronger and dominant gender and the males considered lesser. Considering how women are normally regarded in fiction, particularly sci-fi it makes a great change and really made the Nightsisters seem really twisted. I don't see why every alien species would look at genders the same way as us. Personally, I think it makes sense to having the typically smarter and more in control females in charge of everything.. and the males as simple warriors/slaves who stay at home :P Edited January 16, 2011 by Penitent Tangent Quote
DarthSion Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Yes it is unbelievable a Jedi could fall so quickly without a fight. As for the nightsisters, yeah emasculating females, never seen that before. Funny you mention dragon age 2, when Leliana, Morrigan, Wynne, hardly weak women. Just too many disposable characters who are impossible to feel for. Quote
Penitent Tangent Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Yes it is unbelievable a Jedi could fall so quickly without a fight. Episode III? Another one of my problems with the general expanded universe is that they've turned the Jedi into super heroes. Jedi are not supposed to be invincible, unstoppable beings. I see no problem with a very powerful, skilled fighter being able to take them out. Again, it was supposed to show us how twisted and strong he's become and the scene illustrated that perfectly, in a similar fashion to when Grievous was first introduced in the original animated show. As for the nightsisters, yeah emasculating females, never seen that before.Funny you mention dragon age 2, when Leliana, Morrigan, Wynne, hardly weak women. Just too many disposable characters who are impossible to feel for. You're bringing up my Dragon Age point completely out of context. Also, all 3 of them fill extremely cliché female roles. Leliana is the rogue/cute girl next door. Morrigan is the somewhat twisters/mysterious girl - both of these exist almost purely for romance purposes and Wynne is the aged female teacher. What we saw with the Nightsisters was a complete role reversal of the culture, the females were the dominant gender, in control of the planet.. Where as the males are considered less skilled and simply stay at the villages, even giving the impression that they weren't interested in becoming fighters. This isn't something completely unheard of in fiction, but I still appreciated characters like Ventress being considered the more skilled, rather than the big, muscle bound men. I do agree that we need less disposable characters who show up simply to be killed, I'd very much like to see some of these characters fleshed out so that their inevitable deaths mean something later on. But again, the scene existed to show how powerful Savage is and it worked in this example.. As opposed to say, one of the earlier episodes this season with Master Di, where the episode relied on feeling sorry for the Jedi who we knew nothing about and saw for less than 15 minutes. Quote
The Lego Man! Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 That aside, knowing what eventually happens isn't always important. We knew Anakin became Vader at the end of the prequels.. We knew Starkiller couldn't kill Vader in TFU. And to use a few upcoming examples.. We know that Hawke in Dragon Age 2 becomes the Champion of Kirkwall from the very beginning of the game, the point is HOW he does this. Same with the new Hobbit movie releasing this year, we already know what happens to Bilbo, even if you haven't read the books. Sometimes the journey is more important than the end result :) Agreed completely ; This episode was great compared to some- but the "battle" should have been bigger! Quote
Forresto Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I loved the episode and am not about to get into this argument of if it was bad or not. All I can say issssssss............ REPUBLIC COMMANDOS NEXT WEEK! Quote
The Legonater Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Well how about this, so far Savaage has shown zero force abilities, and yet we are supposed to believe he killed/defeated that Jedi, who must be incredibly rubbish if he got taken out that quickly. One word- Gerivous. Sure he's lame in the show, but everywhere else he's a one cyborg army. Quote
Cad Bane Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I do agree that we need less disposable characters who show up simply to be killed, I'd very much like to see some of these characters fleshed out so that their inevitable deaths mean something later on. But again, the scene existed to show how powerful Savage is and it worked in this example.. As opposed to say, one of the earlier episodes this season with Master Di, where the episode relied on feeling sorry for the Jedi who we knew nothing about and saw for less than 15 minutes. Someone like Onaconda Farr?? He was in several episodes before he was killed. Of course it's weird because he still appears in episodes that take place before Senate Murders. On a different note, I think this season is really elaborating on the stories and motives behind the characters. We see Ahsoka grow up, Ventress explained, and we dive deeper into the mysteries of the Sith. All in all a very exciting season. I'm really excited for the remainder of the season (the preview was super cool). The possessed Ahoska looks creepy, though I'm unsure of the Vampire-like-dude that looks like he can block lightsabers with his arms (if that actually is the same person). Quote
Artanis I Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I didn't actually like this episode, it was just too evil for my liking - and really pushing the kid's show PG with all the neck snapping & strangulation... That said, I appreciate the character & story development that occurred. I do have a few objections: 1) the battle was way too short and low scale - 2 unknown jedi & 10 clones: wow what an epic, obviously this temple was really important to control... 2) what was the point of the "trials"? What did they prove? Nothing. She already picked out the 2 at the start, why didn't she just get them to duel? Also if their magic is so awesome it can turn a fairly tough guy into I-AM-A-ROBOT-I-HEAR-AND-OBEY with supersized horns & superhuman(oid) strength, why couldn't they just pick up Joe off the street? They didn't need the gladiator sacrificing. Like I said I didn't enjoy it, but I appreciate the contribution it makes to the over-all story. (ie the end almost justifies the means) Quote
Penitent Tangent Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I didn't actually like this episode, it was just too evil for my liking - and really pushing the kid's show PG with all the neck snapping & strangulation... That said, I appreciate the character & story development that occurred. I do have a few objections: 1) the battle was way too short and low scale - 2 unknown jedi & 10 clones: wow what an epic, obviously this temple was really important to control... 2) what was the point of the "trials"? What did they prove? Nothing. She already picked out the 2 at the start, why didn't she just get them to duel? Also if their magic is so awesome it can turn a fairly tough guy into I-AM-A-ROBOT-I-HEAR-AND-OBEY with supersized horns & superhuman(oid) strength, why couldn't they just pick up Joe off the street? They didn't need the gladiator sacrificing. Like I said I didn't enjoy it, but I appreciate the contribution it makes to the over-all story. (ie the end almost justifies the means) The trials forced them to behave in a way they wouldn't normally. The two obviously didn't want to fight each other and didn't even want to be warriors. Again, I liked this twist on the culture by having the females as the ones in control, where as these two guys who had been picked to become great warriors, clearly wanted nothing to do with it. Ventress set up the trials to put them in a situation beyond their control and out of their comfortable element. Savage showed that he was a very capable fighter when pushed, which is clearly what she was looking for. Picking any random person and transforming them, likely wouldn't have had the same effect. It's been said in other reviews, but I also loved the parallels of when Savage was being taken away from his home by Ventress to become a Sith to the scene in Episode I, with Anakin being taken away to become a Jedi. The whole thing was handled perfectly, even if for some reason you didn't like the story. Quote
Forresto Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 One word- Gerivous. Sure he's lame in the show, but everywhere else he's a one cyborg army. Darn straight! The force is'nt everything. I think DarthSion is just used to the way the force is in the Force Unleashed, which is'nt bad. But it is extremely overpowered to make the game funner*. *Yes Funner isn't an actual word . Quote
DarthSion Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 GG is trained to use lightsabers, and 4 of them, hardly the same as some noob with a stick. Quote
-JD- Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I have been catching up on the latest non-senate episodes recently, and I am quite pleased with the layout and general storyline. I was surprised when the Nightsisters 'upgraded' Savage (who knew he was French?) instead of Ventress training him so he was truly under her influence, and how quickly he changed his mind to kill his friend. Also, the battle scenes were a little 'meh' for the new guy's introduction. They could have added in a few more clones and some vehicles, perhaps an AT-TE Savage could have smashed up like Durge did in the old cartoon series (except he got rid of about a dozen huge-laser-walker-thingies and an entire army of clones too), just to spice it up that little bit more? IMO, if this series wasn't a darn PG and a 12 or 15 instead, like the movies, it would be much more enjoyable to watch. Then again even if it was, they'd probably still use the excuse that the fight scenes are too complicated to make for single episodes. Plus there is the time limit. Speaking of which, is it me, or have the episodes been getting shorter recently? I'm sure they were half-hour to forty minutes before! Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Plus there is the time limit. Speaking of which, is it me, or have the episodes been getting shorter recently? I'm sure they were half-hour to forty minutes before! It's just you. The episodes have always been the length of a 30 minute time slot, meaning about 22 minutes each. Quote
Artanis I Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Savage showed that he was a very capable fighter when pushed, which is clearly what she was looking for. Picking any random person and transforming them, likely wouldn't have had the same effect. Have you not seen cartoons before? Magic can do anything, haha. Actually this reminds me of Voltron: the entire first season (or more) consisted of witch Haggar turning someone into an enormous Ro-beast, and after nearly killing everyone and destroying the planet, Voltron would eventually slice it to pieces with his blazing sword. The unfortunate soul was either a strong evil warrior or someone harmless & unwilling. Obviously the nightsisters never watched Voltron. Quote
The Legonater Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 They could have added in a few more clones and some vehicles, perhaps an AT-TE Savage could have smashed up like Durge did in the old cartoon series (except he got rid of about a dozen huge-laser-walker-thingies and an entire army of clones too), just to spice it up that little bit more? IMO, that's always been one of my least favorite sceanes of the original. It's just way too unrealistic for me. Plus there is the time limit. Personally, I think these should be extended to an hour slot- or 44 minutes without the ads. A lot of these episodes seem rushed to me. Quote
Cad Bane Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I agree, the time is way too short. It really bugs me. Especially with these recent ones because it's like: okay now Ventress has an evil giant magic-manipulated ally working for Count Dooku...what's next. He just killed some people and we have to wait a week to see the Jedi's reaction! Also this cuts into battle scenes as others mentioned. Landing at Point Rain, though, is proof that a decent battle (or portion of) can be expertly portrayed in a 22 min format. I'm hoping for more like that. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I wouldn't change the amount of time. If it was an hour-slot episode, you'd wind up with a ton of episodes that seem boring and too drawn out. Most of the episodes across all three seasons so far have felt just fine; dramatic, good battles, etc. Don't get ahead of yourself thinking that just because the Savaage arc has a lot of new information and exciting scenes that all following episodes will as well. Even past exciting episodes (meaning not the Senate ones) felt full in the 30-minute time slot format. Quote
Cad Bane Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 True, an hour long episode might drag out, so I guess we should be satisfied. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view), the 22min format makes the existence of multi-episode-story-arcs more important, and the single episodes seem less developed. On another note, seeing the previews for the 2nd half of this season, I'm really excited for the one where Ashoka is possesed or something and attacks Anakin. It looks really interesting. I also can't wait to see Saesee Tinn (spelling??) in action. And possibly more Embo!! He was really cool IMO. Quote
Oky Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Yeah, imagine all those Senate episodes would have been an hour long! Edited January 18, 2011 by Oky Wan Kenobi Quote
Aethersprite Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 I, for one, thought that was a brilliant episode. I never thought I'd see the Force used in CW like it was in The Force Unleashed. The Temple of Devaron battle really cracked me up, in a good way, the way Savage totally owned that poor Jedi was so epic it was hilarious. I had doubts about Savage at first, but now I really like him. Darth Maul was a really cool character, I'm glad CW sort of 'revived' him. He has potential, and I'm confident future episodes won't disappoint. Also, really looking forward to the Dathomir Speeder set. Quote
Batman1 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 There is some new information on the arc that will follow the Nightsisters arc The next three episodes after the Nightsisters arc will be another three part arc: "Overlords" "Altar of Mortis" "Ghosts of Mortis" These will be based on the mysterious planet of Mortis, where a family of three powerful force users will live, the farther, the son and the daughter. The Farther wishes to stop his daughter and son as they are in conflict. The jedi are trying to escape Mortis but Ahsoka is taken captive to lure Anikan. The Farther continues to try and stop the confrontation between his children as it threatens to unbalance the force completely. These episodes will delve into Anikan's future and the mystery of whether he can bring balance to the force as Anikan must choose between the light side and dark sides of the force... I think the son and daughter are the two dark and light looking people that we saw in the TCW 3.5 trailer and I also think that they are the big dragon/bird/flying alien creatures that we saw Anikan controlling in a large open area/arena. I believe the Farther to be the old man with a long beard that we saw in the trailer (as Obi approaches him). I think Mortis will be a planet that revolves around the force (like when we see Obi and Ahsoka on the planet which 'changes seasons' as they walk). Thanks for reading, Batman1± Quote
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