Cad Bane Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 What? Why would Mother Talzin do anything for Maul? He's supposedly one of the nightbrothers. Maybe she has ties... It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. In the meantime, I am very excited for the Mortis Episodes! On another note, a moment of silence for King Katuunko. I thought his character was decent (kinda like Onocanda Farr, funny how they both end up dead) and he got expanded a bit recently. I wonder who'll take his place. Will they be sympathetic with the Republic or Separatists. We'll have to find out. Quote
General Magma Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I liked this episode, although Ventress should've been killed off. Now there's no real outcome, and both Savage Opress and Ventress escaped. The action was great, nonetheless. And again, they failed to show a preview afterwards. I only found one video preview for the next episode on YouTube, but it was filmed horribly, so I figured I'd better not post it here. ~ General Magma Quote
Stegoceras Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Episode 14 "witches of the mist"... No,... just no, this isn't what a good episode would look like. In my personal opinion it was a dreadful episode relying solely on the action scenes. I'd honestly rather watch a senate episode then this, there are so many holes in it. Savage Opress is turned into a ridiculously overpowered character who can literally outclass any Jedi or Sith in force usage though he had only little bit of training under Dooku. Not to mention anyone can now literally fly towards an enemy spacecraft and board it with a whole 3 battle droids coming to investigate and apparently Toydarians with guns seem to think fighting in close range is the way to go. There is just a dozen of these little things that aren't thought out very well. I certainly hope that in the future they won't actually bring Darth Maul back, cause that would be the cream of the ridiculous crops. As well as that I hope Savage won't play too big a role in future episodes or gets thoroughly re-made. Edited January 22, 2011 by Stegoceras Quote
commdr_neyo Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I think it's save to say the RC's will reappear, in action! The reason why, is that their DC-17m's didn't appear at all, while they do show it in the concept art: We'll see Quote
The Legonater Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Wow. They've done a great job on the DC-17. I wonder if they will have any of the attatchments with it. Quote
Penitent Tangent Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 Nope. In TCW he's played by Terrence Carson. Samuel Jackson did voice him in TCW movie, though. I wonder why he quite after the movie. Maybe they couldn't afford him? He'd be very expensive to get as a regular voice actor and he's a really busy person, I don't think it would be easy to get a hold of him every few weeks for just a few lines. The new episode was somewhat disappointing, it had some great action (and was really quite violent) but I didn't expect Savage to turn on Dooku so quickly, I thought they'd have kept it going at least until the end of the series and the way it ended wasn't very satisfying, everyone managed to escape. Killing off Ventress would have made it much more interesting.. but at the same time, they've only just turned her into an interesting person, getting rid of her now would have been rather disappointing too. I did like seeing Dooku training Savage, very similar to when Yoda was teaching Luke, only much more twisted :) and we really got to see how much they've improved Obi-wan and Anakin's character models, they look much better and move much more fluidly and of course seeing Delta Squad was great, even if it was a small cameo. The end did promise some interesting developments for later at least and I definitely look forward to seeing Qui-gon again. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Savage Opress is turned into a ridiculously overpowered character who can literally outclass any Jedi or Sith in force usage though he had only little bit of training under Dooku. I hate to admit this but it seems they really have gone overboard with Savage's power. In the previous episode, I though it was quite acceptable for him to take out those two unknown inferior jedi, but pwning Anakin and Obi-wan, two of the greatest jedi ever, not once, not twice, but countless times in this episode is just plain unrealistic for me. Honestly, I was not impressed nor I was disappointed with the episode (the lightsaber duels particularly the free-for-all sith duel was kinda cool), but overall it was just a meh 50-50 for me. Quote
commdr_neyo Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I hate to admit this but it seems they really have gone overboard with Savage's power. In the previous episode, I though it was quite acceptable for him to take out those two unknown inferior jedi, but pwning Anakin and Obi-wan, two of the greatest jedi ever, not once, not twice, but countless times in this episode is just plain unrealistic for me. Honestly, I was not impressed nor I was disappointed with the episode (the lightsaber duels particularly the free-for-all sith duel was kinda cool), but overall it was just a meh 50-50 for me. I agree, Savage couldn't be so powerful, remember Episode I, where they said Anakin's midichlorian count was ridiculously high, and now he gets suddenly powned by some whitch-made monster Quote
The Nightwing Reborn Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 How do Anakin and Obi-Wan ever get defeated? Answer: Dark Side. While they are both limited to being "servants of the force," Savage can manipulate the force to his will utilizing his hatred. So of course Anakin has the most force potential, but at this point he is still a jedi and has to serve by their code of conduct. On Maul returning, I hope this could be similar to the old story of Maul's survival and hunting of Obi-Wan. Quote
SpiderSpaceman Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 The question is, who the heck on Naboo rescued the man's torso and didn't tell Palpatine? Chewie and Lando, flying the falcon right under the palace? Nuvo Vindi in his swamp lab? Jar Jar? Random good samaritan? Outer rim.. the Hutts? I don't think they can keep that kinda secret. A slave trader? Wouldn't be on Naboo and wouldn't think "oh, a living torso! $$". His spy droids couldn't pull that off, too puny. Did he pull himself back together with the force? Did he make a force magic trick to look like he was sliced when he was really just giving up? Did he have some high tech immediate response paramedics on his invisible ship? They better have a flashback. Quote
CMP Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) The question is, who the heck on Naboo rescued the man's torso and didn't tell Palpatine? Chewie and Lando, flying the falcon right under the palace? Nuvo Vindi in his swamp lab? Jar Jar? Random good samaritan? Outer rim.. the Hutts? I don't think they can keep that kinda secret. A slave trader? Wouldn't be on Naboo and wouldn't think "oh, a living torso! $$". His spy droids couldn't pull that off, too puny. Did he pull himself back together with the force? Did he make a force magic trick to look like he was sliced when he was really just giving up? Did he have some high tech immediate response paramedics on his invisible ship? They better have a flashback. I'm fairly sure they've confirmed he's not coming back. Or at least, heavily hinted at it. Why does everyone bash the 'there's no way Maul lived' thing? Anakin got his legs and one arm sliced off, fried in lava, and he just turned half-droid. Maul just got cut in half, seems like a papercut compared to that. Edited January 23, 2011 by CallMePie Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Anakin got his legs and one arm sliced off, fried in lava, and he just turned half-droid. Maul just got cut in half, seems like a papercut compared to that. I believe what he is trying to say is that there was nobody that cared about Maul, so who helped him "get back together?" For Anakin, there was immediate help both times; the first time because there were a ton of Clones and Jedi around to get him immediate treatment, and the second time because the Emperor came in and rescued him quite quickly. Although people have a valid point that Savaage seemed too strong, him being that strong against the Jedi is ok in my mind. Yes, it's somewhat stupid, but even in the films you get the feeling that the Jedi always expect their opponents to fight in a civilized way and not with brute force. It doesn't seem all that "unrealistic" that they could be caught by surprise by people who fight in a vicious, manic style. What I though was the most lame about the episode was the way Savaage couldn't stand a chance against Dooku. Every time he got up, Dooku just zapped him again. Why didn't he have the brains to block it with his lightsaber? That was really pathetic. Anakin and Obi-Wan getting crushed by that huge pedestal and then getting right back up was also ridiculous, but it's the sort of lame thing that I'm not very surprised by in the show. I don't really expect their writing and ideas to ever get any better, since the kiddies probably aren't too bothered anyhow. Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 The Qui-Gon vision alters the SW universe, because at the end of ROTS Yoda tells Obi that qui-Gon has learned immortality through the force Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 The Qui-Gon vision alters the SW universe, because at the end of ROTS Yoda tells Obi that qui-Gon has learned immortality through the force Maybe they can erase Obi-Wan's memory of it, just like that little "fix" that they did for C-3PO at the end of Episode III. Quote
Oky Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 How do Anakin and Obi-Wan ever get defeated? Answer: Dark Side. While they are both limited to being "servants of the force," Savage can manipulate the force to his will utilizing his hatred. So of course Anakin has the most force potential, but at this point he is still a jedi and has to serve by their code of conduct. Although people have a valid point that Savaage seemed too strong, him being that strong against the Jedi is ok in my mind. Yes, it's somewhat stupid, but even in the films you get the feeling that the Jedi always expect their opponents to fight in a civilized way and not with brute force. It doesn't seem all that "unrealistic" that they could be caught by surprise by people who fight in a vicious, manic style. Yes, I agree. Like a tall scary dude once said: "Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side." His hatred is probably what makes up for his lack of training. And him fighting Anakin and Obi is like a big wrestler with a club fighting against two fencers. No matter how well-trained Obi and Anie are, Savage's brute force is too much for them and something they haven't really encountered before. Next time, they'll probably be more prepared. Why does everyone bash the 'there's no way Maul lived' thing? Anakin got his legs and one arm sliced off, fried in lava, and he just turned half-droid. Maul just got cut in half, seems like a papercut compared to that. I think it's less a matter of impossibility and rather one of it being very, very gimmicky. What I though was the most lame about the episode was the way Savaage couldn't stand a chance against Dooku. Every time he got up, Dooku just zapped him again. Why didn't he have the brains to block it with his lightsaber? That was really pathetic. Yes, that was indeed quite pathetic. But I guess it strengthens the view of Savage as a "mindless animal". The Qui-Gon vision alters the SW universe, because at the end of ROTS Yoda tells Obi that qui-Gon has learned immortality through the force Visions and force-ghosts aren't the same thing, so I think it's OK. I think Jedi have visions of their old masters all the time. Quote
Artanis I Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Yes, I agree. Like a tall scary dude once said: "Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side." His hatred is probably what makes up for his lack of training. And him fighting Anakin and Obi is like a big wrestler with a club fighting against two fencers. No matter how well-trained Obi and Anie are, Savage's brute force is too much for them and something they haven't really encountered before. Next time, they'll probably be more prepared. I believe Savaage hasn't completed his training yet, & his defence is far from solid, therefore Dooku could easily throw lightning at him even in his sleep. It showed how powerful and learned in the dark side of the force Dooku is compared to his apprentices. I enjoyed this episode. Plenty of action, revealing more of a few characters, but not enough Saesee Tinn though. He didn't even get a line (just like the movies!). Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Plenty of action, revealing more of a few characters, but not enough Saesee Tinn though. Yeah, Tiin was basically the "new ship" of this past episode. Since they didn't actually throw in any feasible new ships to be made into toys, they put in new characters for a second so that they can move some action figures. Same goes for the Commandos as well. They served absolutely no purpose in the episode other than to be made into CW merchandise and make a few fans happy to see them. Quote
Cad Bane Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I know for a fact that Saesee Tinn has another appearance as a larger character with lines (it was in the season three 2nd half preview) so he'll be back. The commandos I'm not so sure of. It seems that Filoni likes them, but I have no idea if they'll be back. Hope so though, they're pretty cool. Quote
Forresto Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yeah, Tiin was basically the "new ship" of this past episode. Since they didn't actually throw in any feasible new ships to be made into toys, they put in new characters for a second so that they can move some action figures. Same goes for the Commandos as well. They served absolutely no purpose in the episode other than to be made into CW merchandise and make a few fans happy to see them. The commandos were both fanservice, and also that Filoni really wanted to get them in the series. In his commentary he said that they had some extra time and that the Commandos were only just acting as a teaser. I think we'll get more episodes based around Delta squad based on how much Filoni likes them. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I know for a fact that Saesee Tinn has another appearance as a larger character with lines (it was in the season three 2nd half preview) so he'll be back. Yup Saesee will be back, in some spaceship fight as evidenced by this pic. But it was a bit disappointing that he didn't even uttered a single word, unlike the two unkown jedi in the previous episode who had at least minor speaking parts. Quote
Churchill Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I need to rewatch the episode, but did Obi-Wan and Anakin's faces look a little bit... different? Maybe it was just my imagination. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Obi-Wan's beard was certainly a bit different, but I don't know about Anakin. Both of their hair is a little less "plasticy" in their redesigns as well, although now Anakin just sort of looks like he is wearing pudding on his head. Quote
Oky Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yeah, the hair and clothes were different, but I don't think the faces changed. Speaking of different looks, I just found this artwork on Wookieepedia which shows what a live-action Ahsoka could look like. Quote
Artanis I Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yeah, the hair and clothes were different, but I don't think the faces changed. Speaking of different looks, I just found this artwork on Wookieepedia which shows what a live-action Ahsoka could look like. Who wouldn't want to be a supersoka? Quote
The Legonater Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I manged to watch the commentary on the episode and I have to say, that shot of the platform opening was pretty sweet. With all the rain dripping off it and the visors glowing brightly in the semi-darkness... Quote
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