Star Wars: The Clone Wars: season 3 discussion

[Stegoceras]

It causes bumps, but it's not completely impossible. Obi-wan was surprised to hear that Qui-gon had found a way to come back but he doesn't say that's impossible or anything to imply he hasn't heard from him since.. All he learned in this episode was that this cave was powerful enough to allow him to see Qui-gon. The fact that in episode III he can do this anywhere is still reason to be surprised.

I do think I would have preferred if it was merely a vision/flashback but that wouldn't have had the same impact. But remember, there are still two episodes in this story arc to go. Could end up still being another explanation.

I agree on the whole explanation, it sounds very decent, but it was more of the fact that the whole scene seems so useless, the whole conversation isn't actually needed for the story, we can work out ourselves that all three force wielders are seeking out Anakin without Qui-Gon telling us. Nothing to even remotely risk a possible crash with movie canon for. Then again of course he could just be having vision induced by one of the force wielders like Anakin and Ahsoka seem to have and that will be explained in one of the later episodes.

[Clone OPatra]

Then again of course he could just be having vision induced by one of the force wielders like Anakin and Ahsoka seem to have and that will be explained in one of the later episodes.

I agree with that. The only silly thing was the discontinuity between Obi-Wan's vision and the visions of the other two in the last episode. While Ahsoke and Anakin see visions of people that seem pretty much there, Qui-Gon looks all ghosty and is surrounded by a lot of mist. Still, it seems to make sense that these visions were sort of 'dreams,' and being actually able to communicate with Qui-Gon as we suspect Obi-Wan will be able to do after Episode III is a new revelation.

[Forresto]

I agree on the whole explanation, it sounds very decent, but it was more of the fact that the whole scene seems so useless, the whole conversation isn't actually needed for the story, we can work out ourselves that all three force wielders are seeking out Anakin without Qui-Gon telling us. Nothing to even remotely risk a possible crash with movie canon for. Then again of course he could just be having vision induced by one of the force wielders like Anakin and Ahsoka seem to have and that will be explained in one of the later episodes.

I don't get what's so canon smashing about it. In ROTS it's implied that Obi Wan will learn to contact Qui Gon. Besides with the way this is going it's possible that they may lose their memories in the end.

[Mraz Skintas]

In ROTS, I believe it was stated that Yoda was to teach Obi-Wan how to contact Qui Gonn in the afterlife, and in this episode, Qui Gonn comes to him as a Force Ghost on his own, which was probably a doing of that grey guy.

-'Skintas

[DarthSion]

Seemed to me as if it was just a dream vision, not the real thing, like with Ahsoka seeing her future self.

Or it was the kids trying to trick them.

[DarthSion]

An interview with Starkiller on his character, and I believe a new clip.

http://au.tv.ign.com/articles/114/1147641p1.html

[CMP]

It was a meh kind of episode. I didn't understand the 'blade' at all. The next episode looks god awful. The awesomeness of episode III is going to be ruined by the CW.

[Churchill]

Boy I just don't get it. Anakin's turning to the dark side in the PT made sense to me. The prophecy of the Chosen One makes a little bit of sense to me, though I always wanted to understand it, and how the Jedi misinterpreted it, more.

This explanation we're getting seems a bit odd and unnecessary. It's almost as if the whole issue of the force is being reworked. I'm sorry, but this story arc seems to be a completely unnecessary "retcon" and I don't use the word lightly.

It's almost as if the original explanations and theories from the PT and OT weren't good enough, and GL decided to just reinvent the whole issue, using a way that just doesn't fit within the broader SW mythos.

I hope the final episode in this "arc" tightens it up a bit, because I personally don't like where this is going.

[commanderneyo]

Preview of the final Episode in this Awesome arc "Ghosts Of Mortis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6gGIR6Eb8

[commdr_neyo]

Preview of the final Episode in this Awesome arc "Ghosts Of Mortis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6gGIR6Eb8

Thanks, looks like a great episode!

[BrickArtist]

Arrrgh, now i'm ok with the little alterations to the canon. But this? This is to much, I wish lucas/Filoni would respect those who seeked to know everthing about the PT possible before the show.

[Sisco]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm ready for Star Wars: The Acid Trip to end. This is really screwing with cannon, and I'm sick of it.

[Oky]

Thanks, looks like a great episode!

Are you kidding me? It just looks like they're re-telling what happened in ROTS. I'm not very fond of this arc either. It's just too weird and is really messing with the movies. I also don't see the point of introducing even more different kinds of force-users.

[Professor Flitwick]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm ready for Star Wars: The Acid Trip to end. This is really screwing with cannon, and I'm sick of it.

I'm not very fond of this arc either. It's just too weird and is really messing with the movies.

I quite agree. I'm hardly the master of Star Wars canon, but even these two episodes have messed up my entire view of the Saga. Firstly, they travel to another part of their space/time continuum, then they meet the Force, the Sith, and their... father, and then it's revealed Anikan has to bring balance to the force, not by killing the last Sith, but by becoming the new 'Father'. It's starting to sound a hell of a lot like the last 1.6th season of Lost, especially since Sister/Jedi/Jacob got stabbed by a knife.

Lets just hope the episodes after this trilogy picks up. Anyone know when the Even Piel (?) episodes will be up?

[Churchill]

Maybe they're going to try to tie this brother to Palpatine somehow.

[commanderneyo]

Here are the names of the two Episodes after the Mortis arc and they have something to do with the Clones and ARC's we saw in the Second Half Trailer so Even Piell might be involved.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Citadel

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Counter_Attack

Why do some of you hate the Mortis arc?? Its not like they are really destroying canon they or Lucas I should say is changing it for his own benefit. Why can't you lot be happy with the "Action-Packed" Episodes we are getting now especially as they or at least the Savage arc is more action packed than most episodes except for maybe Landing At Point Rain and some of you are being really ungrateful for the action. After all who would want to see Padme just sitting in her Bedroom drinking Tea or something for a whole Episode instead of fast-paced Action? I even remember one of you said something like "I would rather watch Pursuit of Peace again over the Savage arc" That is so stupid. Who would want to watch that over brilliant action like the Savage arc.

[commdr_neyo]

Are you kidding me? It just looks like they're re-telling what happened in ROTS. I'm not very fond of this arc either. It's just too weird and is really messing with the movies. I also don't see the point of introducing even more different kinds of force-users.

From what I've seen in the preview, Anakin will just have some vision about his future.

I don't understand why that's such a bad thing, they probably won't do it more extensive then in the preview, anyways.

Those force-users don't bother me too much, it kind of makes sence. I think that when you don't take TCW too seriously, it's a nice show

[Oky]

Why do some of you hate the Mortis arc??

Because they have nothing to do with the clone wars and instead introduce confusing elements into the SW universe. There are still so many stories left to tell about the war, but instead they are wasting their (and our) time with this weird story about some strange family of neutral force wielders. No one complained about the action, or at least I didn't. I thought the Nightsister trilogy was pretty neat despite its flaws as it was indeed taking a step into the right direction. Maybe that's partly the reason why I'm so disappointed in the Mortis trilogy.

From what I've seen in the preview, Anakin will just have some vision about his future.

Yeah, "just"... except these are direct reenactments of scenes from ROTS. If Anakin sees himself killing younglings, betraying his master, and choking his wife, wouldn't he do anything to stay on the light side of the force and prevent those events? If these were just vague signs of the future like in the original CW series, that would have been fine, but this is too detailed.

Oh well, I'll try not to judge the episode before I've seen it, although I'm pretty sure I wont like it.

The titles of the following episodes sound good, and the trailer was promising, so let's hope we'll finally get some good episodes about the clone wars again.

[commdr_neyo]

Yeah, "just"... except these are direct reenactments of scenes from ROTS. If Anakin sees himself killing younglings, betraying his master, and choking his wife, wouldn't he do anything to stay on the light side of the force and prevent those events? If these were just vague signs of the future like in the original CW series, that would have been fine, but this is too detailed.

It's just that Anakin sees his wife dying, and Obi-Wan screams ''You were like a brother to me, Anakin!!'' That doesn't mean Anakin will see him betraying the Jedi.

Edited February 6, 2011 by commdr_neyo

[General Magma]

As for both the most recent and the upcoming episode: I'm disappointed.

They're messing with the existing canon way too much now - I was expecting Ahsoka to die. I give them one more chance for that - which is next episode. If it doesn't happen then either, I expect that they would just come up with a lame excuse to let her live or something.

I'm not liking where this is going: Anakin shouldn't have known that he was destined to become Darth Vader already.

Other than that, Altar of Mortis was fairly boring. Hopefully the rest of the episodes will make up for this.

~ General Magma

[commanderneyo]

I was expecting Ahsoka to die. I give them one more chance for that - which is next episode. If it doesn't happen then either, I expect that they would just come up with a lame excuse to let her live or something.

Ahsoka will survive the next Episode as in shots in the trailer we see 1. Her on Felucia (Nothing to do with the Mortis arc.) and 2. Fighting Crab Droids with Even Piell (Nothing to do with Mortis arc).

[Penitent Tangent]

Here are the names of the two Episodes after the Mortis arc and they have something to do with the Clones and ARC's we saw in the Second Half Trailer so Even Piell might be involved.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Citadel

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Counter_Attack

Why do some of you hate the Mortis arc?? Its not like they are really destroying canon they or Lucas I should say is changing it for his own benefit. Why can't you lot be happy with the "Action-Packed" Episodes we are getting now especially as they or at least the Savage arc is more action packed than most episodes except for maybe Landing At Point Rain and some of you are being really ungrateful for the action. After all who would want to see Padme just sitting in her Bedroom drinking Tea or something for a whole Episode instead of fast-paced Action? I even remember one of you said something like "I would rather watch Pursuit of Peace again over the Savage arc" That is so stupid. Who would want to watch that over brilliant action like the Savage arc.

Frankly, I have no idea why these episodes are getting such a negative reaction. For some, it seems they're never happy with the show and are just looking for excuses to hate on it more.. and others, well, I think the more subtle story telling devices and symbolic nature and references are going a bit over some peoples heads, so they aren't really understanding what the episode is trying to say. Personally, I love this kind of story telling and it's been fun finding the hidden meanings behind much of what we've seen.

I will say that it seems odd that parts of these episodes are almost contradicting the movies but I'm going to wait until the next episode before judging that, because we really don't know what's going to happen or how certain things will be explained. Jumping in with "it doesn't make sense!" before we've seen the whole story arc is a little unfair.

As for Ahsoka, even if she dies eventually, we're only half way through season 3, there's not even a slim possibility they're going to get rid of her now. The previous episode also gave her an escape route for that fate.. Leave Anakin and train on her own, which I think they're more likely to follow up on. It leaves her alive for future appearances (the live action TV show), it explains why she isn't in RoTS and it means they don't have to kill her off, potentially alienating younger fans who tune in mainly for her.

[Churchill]

In all of the clone wars vs OT/PT discussions, I've defended CW, and implored people to give it a chance. And I am first and foremost a OT fan.

So in fact, our criticisms of these episodes are not just looking for an excuse to "hate on it more." Defensive, anyone?

And, frankly, the implication that some of the symbolism in these "cartoons" is going over our heads is.... well....a bit insulting.

As much flack as the OT side has taken recently, maybe some of the CW fans need to look in the mirror.

Quit being so defensive, and acknowledge that even your beloved CW can have flaws. Even the diehard OT fans will admit that the OT has flaws.

I just think it's ironic that OT fans have been portrayed as "closed minded."

Edited February 6, 2011 by Churchill

[BrickArtist]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm ready for Star Wars: The Acid Trip to end. This is really screwing with cannon, and I'm sick of it.

Yes

Are you kidding me? It just looks like they're re-telling what happened in ROTS. I'm not very fond of this arc either. It's just too weird and is really messing with the movies. I also don't see the point of introducing even more different kinds of force-users.

Yeah, they're like saying here's what's gonna happen, I conjured it up from my force filled, magic wand, gladius that came from the green mist alter! Now i'll control this bird-joker-sith thing and bring balance to the force!

I quite agree. I'm hardly the master of Star Wars canon, but even these two episodes have messed up my entire view of the Saga. Firstly, they travel to another part of their space/time continuum, then they meet the Force, the Sith, and their... father, and then it's revealed Anikan has to bring balance to the force, not by killing the last Sith, but by becoming the new 'Father'. It's starting to sound a hell of a lot like the last 1.6th season of Lost, especially since Sister/Jedi/Jacob got stabbed by a knife.

Lets just hope the episodes after this trilogy picks up. Anyone know when the Even Piel (?) episodes will be up?

Yeah, this essentially says that anikan had no control over the galaxy plummeting into darkness whatsoever. That's wrong! He chose to join the sith, to save padme's life.

This. Is. Not. CAAANNOONNNN!

Yeah, "just"... except these are direct reenactments of scenes from ROTS. If Anakin sees himself killing younglings, betraying his master, and choking his wife, wouldn't he do anything to stay on the light side of the force and prevent those events? If these were just vague signs of the future like in the original CW series, that would have been fine, but this is too detailed.

Oh well, I'll try not to judge the episode before I've seen it, although I'm pretty sure I wont like it.

The titles of the following episodes sound good, and the trailer was promising, so let's hope we'll finally get some good episodes about the clone wars again.

The only way I won't be furious is if it were all palpies dream.

[The Legonater]

This is the main reason I hate TCW- all the messing up with the canon. It seems the further they go, the more Filoni feels like wrecking stuff. As having read a lot of EU, I'd like to see these episodes to see what exactly they've done, but for some stupid reason I can't wacth the full episodes via SW.com in Canada.