Star Wars: The Clone Wars: season 3 discussion

[Brickadeer]

But didnt the son try to kill the father but killed his sister?

Yes, he did. But that was before the final scene; so what precisely is your question aiming at?

Good point. Maybe the son was unaware of where his power came from.

Yes, I think so; otherwise it would have made no sense.

Edited February 12, 2011 by Brickadeer

[Penitent Tangent]

Well there's another giant gash in EU. He was a governor in that time- Leia even referanced that in Ep.4. Making him a captain is pathetic.

I'm not sure why you continue to bring up the EU. Whether you like the stories or not, it's quite clear George Lucas does not consider them canon and has no issues with scrubbing it aside in order to make the series more interesting.. Which I'm definitely in favour of. The majority of the EU is garbage that was written by hacks. You can't expect them to keep some of it canon and ignore the stuff nobody likes. I have no problems with people being negative about the show and discussing the flaws.. But I'm sick of constantly hearing about the EU.

Many of the later Star Trek movies also overruled fan fiction, novels and games. I'm not sure why Star Wars fans hold their EU in such reverance. I'm not saying you can't enjoy those stories.. Just don't expect later movies, games and TV shows to abide by them. The Clone Wars is not EU.

That aside, I don't understand how this interferes with anything. I don't recall Leia's exact quote, but even if saying he was a Governor in the Clone Wars doesn't rule out the possibillity he was made a governor during that time. Personally though, I agree with Oky Wan Kenobi on this one, enough fan service. It's going to get slightly ridiculous if we keep having all of these characters meet up with one another and I'm especially against the idea of a young Han Solo appearing (even though this is bound to happen, as he was originally planned to be in Episode III).

[RileyC]

Does anyone use www.milleniumfalcon.com to view the show if you are outside of the US? I came across it but Im having trouble just viewing it on Megavideo because there is no sound coming out. Does this happen to anyone else? The picture is a lot better than Mastertoons I can tell you that!

[djmangunz]

So...five more episodes to save this train-wreck of a season.

[The Legonater]

I'm not sure why you continue to bring up the EU. Whether you like the stories or not, it's quite clear George Lucas does not consider them canon and has no issues with scrubbing it aside in order to make the series more interesting.. Which I'm definitely in favour of. The majority of the EU is garbage that was written by hacks. You can't expect them to keep some of it canon and ignore the stuff nobody likes. I have no problems with people being negative about the show and discussing the flaws.. But I'm sick of constantly hearing about the EU.

And I'm sick of people ranting against EU. It is canon- Wookiepedia makes that very clear. Stop saying it's not! And it's not making them interesting- was the Mortis and Mandalore trilogies more interesting than regular CW episodes?

[Oky]

I'd simply say that this is the reason why the son didn't kill the father, and why he was so devastated that the father took his life. At this point Anakin steps in and kills the son - who apparently has returned to the light side since he showed so much compassion for his father and who became vulnerable to ordinary weapons because of the sacrifice the father made.

Son (dying): "So you betrayed me?"

This line implies that the son suspects that the father wanted Anakin to kill the son. However, it remains unclear if the Anakin really had to kill the son. The next line of the father implies that this was not the case, so that the father believes that Anakin made the wrong choice, and that it was this choice, not the previous visions, that reveals to the father Anakin's future role:

Father: And now, I die. My heart (is) broken, knowing the role you're gonna play."

The son never killed his Father before because without him, he had no power. As his father died he was still selfish and devastated because as his Father's life faded, so did his power. That's why he told his Father "Please, don't die".

Maybe the son was unaware of where his power came from until his Father stated:

Hm, no, I don't think this is right.

1. The son exclaimed cries of devastation well before the father stated their connection, so I think that statement was just intended to let the audience know about their connection and the son did know about it.
   
2. The son seriously tried to kill the father twice before this, and even believed him to be dead at one point, but didn't care. He never had any affection for him as, like he stated, his sister was the only one he ever loved. So why was he so devastated to see him die? Maybe it was the Dark Side that made him hate his father and when his powers were cut off, he snapped out of it? If so, why didn't it affect his love for the sister?
   
3. Brickadeer, I think you misunderstood the interaction between Anakin and the father. The father says: And now, I die, my heart broken, but knowing the role you will play". So the broken heart part referred to the son. And in the scene before Anakin stabs the son, the father gives him a look that seems to say "Do it now", so I believe this was indeed the father's plan.
   

Thanks for trying to help me understand though. I'm curious to see the commentary for this episode. I wonder why it hasn't shown up yet?

Does anyone use www.milleniumfalcon.com to view the show if you are outside of the US? I came across it but Im having trouble just viewing it on Megavideo because there is no sound coming out. Does this happen to anyone else? The picture is a lot better than Mastertoons I can tell you that!

Wow, thanks for the link, Roncanator! I've been looking for a site where I can download the episodes in a higher quality for the Rewatching the Clone Wars thread without having to join any torrent sites! I don't have any trouble viewing and hearing it. Maybe you're using the wrong software to play it? I used Nero.

And I'm sick of people ranting against EU. It is canon- Wookiepedia makes that very clear. Stop saying it's not! And it's not making them interesting- was the Mortis and Mandalore trilogies more interesting than regular CW episodes?

Calm down and read the post again, nobody is "ranting against EU". No offense, but it's just a little annoying when people like you keep saying "BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE!". Like someone already said, as far as canon goes, EU has lower priority than the stuff Lucas is involved in, so what George says goes. And sadly, I think Penitent Tangent is right in saying that George doesn't care much for EU. The only time they really honored EU in this show, it was his daughter writing the episode.

[RileyC]

Wow, thanks for the link, Roncanator! I've been looking for a site where I can download the episodes in a higher quality for the Rewatching the Clone Wars thread without having to join any torrent sites! I don't have any trouble viewing and hearing it. Maybe you're using the wrong software to play it? I used Nero.

yeah I got it now. I downloaded the file and it works perfectly. It was just the in-browser option with MegaVideo that wasnt working. On that site people seem to comprise screenshots for the episode so I reckon that could be a quick way of getting a great screen shot! Seems like some good discussion also.

So screw Mastertoons, Millennium Falcon is here to stay!

[Brickadeer]

Brickadeer, I think you misunderstood the interaction between Anakin and the father. The father says: And now, I die, my heart broken, but knowing the role you will play". So the broken heart part referred to the son. And in the scene before Anakin stabs the son, the father gives him a look that seems to say "Do it now", so I believe this was indeed the father's plan.

Ups, I really didn't get the "but". I can't see how this knowledge about the future fits to his final words about Anakin's fate as the Chosen One, but it opens much room for speculation :)

[CMP]

Just saw it.

Er...

Let's just talk about the next episode.

[simonjedi]

So apparently Darth Revan (from KotOR) was going to appear. They got pretty far into it before cutting him.

http://superpunch.blogspot.com/2011/02/darth-revan-in-clone-wars.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SuperPunch+%28Super+Punch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

I'd love to see a KotOR series (and the relevant sets as well, Ebon Hawk, HK-47!!)

[commdr_neyo]

So apparently Darth Revan (from KotOR) was going to appear. They got pretty far into it before cutting him.

http://superpunch.blogspot.com/2011/02/darth-revan-in-clone-wars.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SuperPunch+%28Super+Punch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

I'd love to see a KotOR series (and the relevant sets as well, Ebon Hawk, HK-47!!)

I just saw so, and I'm happy they removed them. It would be awesome to see them again, but not in the CW.

It would also mess up EU this time (instead of the OT and PT), and it would just more appropriate to leave them out.

I'm not sure if the new trailer for The Citadel was already seen, but carbonite in the CW? I thought the carbonite was tried out on Han.. (now that I think of it, we already discussed that, didn't we?) Also a new ARC trooper

[Batman1]

I just saw so, and I'm happy they removed them. It would be awesome to see them again, but not in the CW.

It would also mess up EU this time (instead of the OT and PT), and it would just more appropriate to leave them out.

I'm not sure if the new trailer for The Citadel was already seen, but carbonite in the CW? I thought the carbonite was tried out on Han.. (now that I think of it, we already discussed that, didn't we?) Also a new ARC trooper

The ARC troopers are actually not new, but are Echo and Fives I think they are a huge plus of the show as we have seen them grow and develop and it will be really cool to see them as ARC troopers!

Batman1±

[Stegoceras]

I must say, 'Ghost of Mortis' just salvaged the arc, while the second episode still was the odd child of the family this one did seem to make up for a lot of it's flaws and made the arc enjoyable. It finally also felt nicely tied in the SW universe and episode 3. Also the end was nicely done. Hope they are going to continue the decent writing of this episode in future episodes.

The majority of the EU is garbage that was written by hacks. You can't expect them to keep some of it canon and ignore the stuff nobody likes. I have no problems with people being negative about the show and discussing the flaws.. But I'm sick of constantly hearing about the EU.

I don't mind you stating that your opinion, but a bit more subtle way of saying it might be nice. Calling the EU garbage written by hacks that no-one likes goes a little out of line in my book. I do agree we see a little too much "the EU said this or that and the TCW just ignored it" conversations here though.

To give my final note about this topic(I won't try and bring up the EU any further in this topic, not that I think I have done that much in the past besides being in defense of it), I just think it's strange that EU books/comics/game can reasonably coincide with each-other while The Clone Wars seems to 'disregard' (in failure of my occasional crummy English in finding a better word) what has been done in the past. I guess retcons aren't that bad but it takes a bit of time to adjust the picture of what you knew about the SW universe and what the 'new' facts are and how they'd fit together as much as possible.

Besides how can you call EU garbage after reading books like the Thrawn Trilogy or the Republic Commando series, comics like the Republic series, and games like Knights of the Old Republic. In my opinion some of the best works outside the movies are definitely in the EU.

[BrickArtist]

A ton of stuff on wookiepedia is EU, a good chunk of wookiepedia may have been just made up by an editor. Wookiepedia is a Wiki, don't forget that. The point is that if everyone wrote a comic book about star wars, and said that another persons comic is wrong because it doesn't follow their own, things go bad fast. We have Canon resources, that absolutely cannot be altered(Visual dictionary, cross-sections ect.). So if we counted every book, every comic, every little thing that isn't from the movies/series/Lucas, star wars would contradict itself infinitely.

The quote legonater linked did indeed say he was a governor during the CW, but it didn't say what time period. Who says he couldn't be a military figure, and later a politician? That statement has no closure, thus nothing contradicting anything.

[djmangunz]

I don't mind you stating that your opinion, but a bit more subtle way of saying it might be nice. Calling the EU garbage written by hacks that no-one likes goes a little out of line in my book. I do agree we see a little too much "the EU said this or that and the TCW just ignored it" conversations here though.

To give my final note about this topic(I won't try and bring up the EU any further in this topic, not that I think I have done that much in the past besides being in defense of it), I just think it's strange that EU books/comics/game can reasonably coincide with each-other while The Clone Wars seems to 'disregard' (in failure of my occasional crummy English in finding a better word) what has been done in the past. I guess retcons aren't that bad but it takes a bit of time to adjust the picture of what you knew about the SW universe and what the 'new' facts are and how they'd fit together as much as possible.

Besides how can you call EU garbage after reading books like the Thrawn Trilogy or the Republic Commando series, comics like the Republic series, and games like Knights of the Old Republic. In my opinion some of the best works outside the movies are definitely in the EU.

I agree with you on most of your points Stegoceras. I do find it interesting how so few fans of the Clone Wars realize how heavily the EU influences the show. Many of the story lines have been lifted directly from EU comics or books. For example the Battle of Geonosis was taken from one of the original Clone Wars comics. And the idea of a clone deserting from the GAR came from Karen Traviss and her Republic Commando novels. Without the many great EU stories and ideas, the Clone Wars show might not be so rich and detailed as it is today. Now if only they had less political episodes...

[Brickadeer]

A ton of stuff on wookiepedia is EU, a good chunk of wookiepedia may have been just made up by an editor. Wookiepedia is a Wiki, don't forget that. The point is that if everyone wrote a comic book about star wars, and said that another persons comic is wrong because it doesn't follow their own, things go bad fast. We have Canon resources, that absolutely cannot be altered(Visual dictionary, cross-sections ect.). So if we counted every book, every comic, every little thing that isn't from the movies/series/Lucas, star wars would contradict itself infinitely.

The quote legonater linked did indeed say he was a governor during the CW, but it didn't say what time period. Who says he couldn't be a military figure, and later a politician? That statement has no closure, thus nothing contradicting anything.

Well, to me the point of the Star Wars Universe is to provide a background for good stories. Contradictions only are a problem if one assumes that there has to be one "true and unique" Star Wars Universe. I think it's just in the nature of the human mind to get rid of contradictions constituted by a plurality of stories to form one single story. Although contradictions might raise some emotions, I think one should be aware of the fact that if storytelling would be ruled by this doctrine, most of an author's energy that would be better spent for the development of the story were absorbed by avoiding contradictions, thus ultimately defeating the aim of a Star Wars Universe: providing a background for good stories.

Edited February 17, 2011 by Brickadeer

[commanderneyo]

Chewbacca is gonna be in TCW!!!

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/remaking-wookiee-chewbacca-becomes-a-character-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars/

[Corvus]

Chewbacca is gonna be in TCW!!!

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/remaking-wookiee-chewbacca-becomes-a-character-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars/

Well, I suppose it was only a matter of time.

He's designed sort of funny, though. Do his arms look too skinny to anyone else?

[Penitent Tangent]

Chewbacca is gonna be in TCW!!!

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/remaking-wookiee-chewbacca-becomes-a-character-on-star-wars-the-clone-wars/

ugh.. at least it isn't Han Solo, but this is becoming the season of pointless cameo's.

[General Magma]

Normally I don't like it when they add characters from the OT to the Clone Wars, where they would be playing a major role,

but this time, I'm actually okay with it. It's Chewie - 200 years old somewhere around the GCW, and he already made an appearance in the PT. As long as he doesn't team up with another smuggler, it's A-OK.

One note though: Ahsoka's death isn't going to happen anymore in this season, most likely.

But they have to realize that they do have to get rid of her, sooner or later. Whichever way to make the Clone Wars blend in well better with Ep3...

~ General Magma

[commanderneyo]

ugh.. at least it isn't Han Solo, but this is becoming the season of pointless cameo's.

It won't be a Chewbacca cameo though. That article says he will be in 2 Episodes so it will be more than just a cameo for him.

At least now I have an excuse to buy a action figure of him if Hasbro make a CW Figure of him

[Clone OPatra]

So, what I got out of that video was that there is going to be a young Jedi of the same species as Ki-Adi Mundi. Cool!

Chewie's arms do look a little skinny, but I don't think overly so. As long as they don't try too much for comedy with him, it should be fine. I just don't want to see Chewie becoming a comic sidekick.

[XimenaPaulina]

Chewbacca is gonna be in TCW!!!

http://artsbeat.blog...the-clone-wars/

Very interesting. It's always nice to see the movie characters making appearances on the CW series, IMO. Judging from the picture I'd say they did a decent job on Chewie's CGI version. I'm certainly looking forward seeing this episode.

Chewie's arms do look a little skinny, but I don't think overly so.

Yeah, that has been the trademark of the CW animation, they tend to make the body build of the characters slightly skinnier compared to what they are in real-life. Nothing really surprising anymore considering we've seen almost three seasons worth of this type of animation.

[The Legonater]

IMO they've done a great job with him. Getting the original actor to play was a great idea, no one else could pull that off. And including him makes perfect sence- it's already been well established the Wookies and Trandos don't exactly see eye-to-eye. Good move, Filoni.

Edited February 18, 2011 by The Legonater

[BrickArtist]

I think that they couldn't have made a better move including chewie. In ROTS yoda implies having some prior relationship to the wookies, chewbacca and tarful specifically. It's also possible that this could mark a reappearance of the commandos in battle. If you read this wookiepedia article, you'll see that were on Kashyyk. It is from the game, but also a part of the canon as the dictionary mentions it.

Edited February 18, 2011 by brickartist