Star Wars: The Clone Wars: season 3 discussion

[commdr_neyo]

EDIT: Those Trandoshan speeders would make one sweet Lego set!!!

Agreed, that'd be awesome

Also, did Wolffe get an update? Or was that another high ranked soldier?

[ADHO15]

I thought that was a pretty nice episode, even if it was about Ahsoka! (I don't hate her, I'd just prefer watching someone else)

The story was quite dark and different, which was rather good. Having seen the preview for the finale episodes, I knew which of the youngling survivers were present when they found Chewie, so Kalifa's death was expected.

Again, a battle on Felucia opens an episode, without occupying a whole 20 minute's story. This is good and bad in different ways for me.

Also, did Wolffe get an update? Or was that another high ranked soldier?

I couldn't really tell which clones were which here, except for Comet. I couldn't see three distinct Wolffe, Boost and Sinker characters, though I didn't have too good a look.

It's a shame the episode guides not out till 1st April. That might hold some answers.

I still can't figure out if they're grey, sand blue, blue or dark blue. The range of references make it difficult to rely on one, but they look like one of the first two options in this episode.

Edited March 19, 2011 by ADHO15

[DarthR2-D2]

Heres parts 1 and 2 of Padawan Lost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSZ3hmIA7c&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpejH_LbQ1I&feature=channel_video_title

Nice. Cant wait to see Wookiee Hunt.

[Oky]

Heres parts 1 and 2 of Padawan Lost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSZ3hmIA7c&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpejH_LbQ1I&feature=channel_video_title

Bah! That's terrible quality. Who needs youtube when you have millenniumfalcon!

[Fallenangel]

Who needs youtube when you have millenniumfalcon!

Wow, so many screencaps! But isn't there an easier way to view them than as twenty thousand links? There are a couple of really nice reference shots in there, but I don't have time to click through three pages of one-liners to find them. I can see someone is a very big Led Zeppelin fan as well...

After having watched my first episode of THE Clone Wars in years, I must say I saw several of the things that turned me away from the show in the first place. But first, a couple good things - those AT-TEs acting as artillery in the beginning looked great (though SPHA-Ts would have been even better) and the way Ahsoka held her lightsabers looked oddly familiar (wasn't there a KOTOR character or something that held his/her lightsabers like that?). I don't know if anyone else noticed Plo Koon's Super Jump near the beginning of the episode - takes you right back to the '03 Clone Wars. Nice to see one of those annoying droid commanders get chopped in half too, and the miniature Ki-Adi Mundi kid just cracked me up. Lots of good points and no obvious retcons that I'm aware of (in relation to the films and the '03 series). It was a little odd to see a C-9979 without any MTTs in it, but I guess those are too expensive or something. The garrison of dwarf spider droids waddling to their death was quite funny as well.

Ha! A Trandoshan described Ahsoka as a "youngling".

Nice to see some of the whiny disrespectful Anakin we all know from Clones. "Whatever you're trying to say Master Plo just say it." He may have been annoying in the movie but I think I actually prefer this Anakin to the "caring" Anakin in the show.

Now for some things I didn't like:

- Consistent cheesy dialogue from several characters, including several failed attempts at dramatic one-liners. "Here, lizard lizard..." ugh. But I guess that's what you can expect from a kids' show.

- Speaking of The Clone Wars as a kids' show, there was an awful lot of shooting in this episode. The unnamed captive that was mercilessly picked off with a turret was a little surprising. But whatever - children's television has always been about violence...

- The Trandoshans' gargling English got really annoying after a while. They could have at least had them speak a language of their own (something more akin to Bossk's single line in Empire...)

- The Trandoshans apparently hunt in hovering jeeps, which was weird (especially considering they look like flying cable cars); I would have preferred they use swoops, simply because they feel closer to the Star Wars universe.

- Wow, apparently an ex-Padawan can choke someone with the Force! What?

[simonjedi]

(wasn't there a KOTOR character or something that held his/her lightsabers like that?)

You're thinking of The apprentice from the Force Unleashed series AKA Anakin liked it so much he did it twice

Now for some things I didn't like:

- Consistent cheesy dialogue from several characters, including several failed attempts at dramatic one-liners. "Here, lizard lizard..." ugh. But I guess that's what you can expect from a kids' show.

Consistent cheesy dialogue from several characters, including several failed attempts at dramatic one-liners. "From my point of view the jedi are evil!" ugh. But I guess that's what you can expect from a movie.

- Speaking of The Clone Wars as a kids' show, there was an awful lot of shooting in this episode. The unnamed captive that was mercilessly picked off with a turret was a little surprising. But whatever - children's television has always been about violence...

The clone wars series is violent as hell. There is a WAR going on after all. Recommend you watch 'Landing at point rain', 'Rookies' and 'Brain invaders' for more violence.

[Fallenangel]

You're thinking of The apprentice from the Force Unleashed series AKA Anakin liked it so much he did it twice.

Well, The Force Unleashed isn't G-canon, so not according to George!

The clone wars series is violent as hell. There is a WAR going on after all. Recommend you watch 'Landing at point rain', 'Rookies' and 'Brain invaders' for more violence.

Having seen parts of those episodes, there does seem to be a fair amount of violence. But while I see a lot of clone and stranger deaths, I don't see a whole lot of civilian or even Jedi deaths. This Kalifa person pretty much dies before we learn anything about her (not unlike Nahdar Vebb...). And Trandoshan hunting hardly has anything to do with a war between the Republic and the Separatists, so I'd say most of the violence in this episode was... pointless.

And I guess this is more of a Prequels thing, but one of the disappointing things about Lucas' Clone Wars was that the primary factions of the Clone Wars were clones (led by Jedi?) and toys battle droids. The Clone Wars were supposed be wars that nobody wanted to remember, but these clones are grown in tubes by the thousands, lacking any sort of family or societal role or really anything that makes them people. They're like free-spawning AI units in some video game. I sure don't care about these clones, nor do I feel anything for the battle droids (obviously). The terrors of these Clone Wars escape me. And don't get me wrong, this applies to the '03 series as well. It's just that they did slightly better by putting more familiar Jedi in danger (Obi-wan, Anakin, Shaak Ti) instead of introducing random characters to kill off. (Not that we can really care much about those Jedi either since we learn next to nothing about them from the films.)

[sok117]

Lots of good points and no obvious retcons that I'm aware of

I think I found one, but I'll have to wait for the guide to be sure. But I'm pretty sure that the snivvian that Ashoka talks to on the Trandoshan ship was Snaggletooth a.k.a Zutton who was seen in Mos Eisly in ANH. Other then that, it was a pretty good episode, the hover cars were pretty cool, and I especially liked the climax when Kalifa dies, and the Lizard was screaming and firing his gun, pretty decent drama for a kids show. Also, way to reuse Hans line Anakin "don't get cocky", tsk tsk Filoni.

[The Legonater]

And I guess this is more of a Prequels thing, but one of the disappointing things about Lucas' Clone Wars was that the primary factions of the Clone Wars were clones (led by Jedi?) and toys battle droids. The Clone Wars were supposed be wars that nobody wanted to remember, but these clones are grown in tubes by the thousands, lacking any sort of family or societal role or really anything that makes them people. They're like free-spawning AI units in some video game. I sure don't care about these clones, nor do I feel anything for the battle droids (obviously). The terrors of these Clone Wars escape me. And don't get me wrong, this applies to the '03 series as well. It's just that they did slightly better by putting more familiar Jedi in danger (Obi-wan, Anakin, Shaak Ti) instead of introducing random characters to kill off. (Not that we can really care much about those Jedi either since we learn next to nothing about them from the films.)

Personally, I care more about the clones than the Jedi, but that probably has a lot to do with me being a fan of the RC books.

[Clone OPatra]

The Clone Wars were supposed be wars that nobody wanted to remember, but these clones are grown in tubes by the thousands, lacking any sort of family or societal role or really anything that makes them people. They're like free-spawning AI units in some video game.

Well, the very first mention of the Clone Wars in ANH had the word Clone in it, so what were you expecting? A war that didn't involve Clones? If you don't take any EU sources into account, there's nothing to say that Stormtroopers aren't Clones too.

Although neither show makes the Clone Wars out to be the dark time that Obi-Wan mentions in ANH, I think it's supposed to be a dark time just because a war is ravaging the galaxy. Not because the actual fighters involved feel anything, but because the non-fighters are paying the price. That's what some of those boring senate episodes are about; too much money being spent on the war effort and not anything else. Additionally, the episodes involving Aayla (Jedi Crash) are good examples of a harmless people being devastated because they are caught in the middle of the war. So, if you think more broadly about it you can kind of see what Obi-Wan was talking about.

As for the episode, it wasn't bad. Ahsoka is actually not whiny and annoying any more, which is a huge step in the right direction (and she's put on some more clothes). Some of the dialog was stupid as always, but overall it was a strong episode.

I could distinguish Wolffe; he was the one with the skirt on and the really colorful jetpack. You also glimpse him a bit later with his helmet off when Plo is telling Anakin that it is time to go, although he is sort of in the background.

What I don't understand (and this shows up continuously) is why they call Plo Koon "Master Plo." They call all of the other Jedi by their last names, so why not him? Does he have an Asian-style name with his first name second and his last name first?

[simonjedi]

Well, The Force Unleashed isn't G-canon, so not according to George!

Other than the obvious OTT video game stuff. It pretty much is.

It's just that they did slightly better by putting more familiar Jedi in danger (Obi-wan, Anakin, Shaak Ti) instead of introducing random characters to kill off.

Why? It's pretty pointless showing named characters from the films in constant threat because we all know they survive to be in the Sith. Introducing new characters and building up their characters up for a few episodes is good story telling.

Well, the very first mention of the Clone Wars in ANH had the word Clone in it, so what were you expecting? A war that didn't involve Clones? If you don't take any EU sources into account, there's nothing to say that Stormtroopers aren't Clones too.

He doesn't mean that. He means its hard to care about what is essentially two groups of faceless mass produced grunts shooting each other. He's agreeing with what the RLM Sith review said, which is the Clones should be Uruk-hai like creatures from another galaxy, and the people defending the galaxy should be ordinary conscripted men.

[ADHO15]

I could distinguish Wolffe; he was the one with the skirt on and the really colorful jetpack. You also glimpse him a bit later with his helmet off when Plo is telling Anakin that it is time to go, although he is sort of in the background.

Oh, yes. I could tell which was Wolffe, just not what pattern his armour had. I've taken a closer look and it was interesting to find that his helmet is the complete reverse of what it was like in 'R2 Come Home' and his LEGO fig: the white is now grey/sand blue and vice versa. I wonder why they did that.

It also sort of explains why the LEGO figs have jetpacks, though their relation to the rest of the set is still unusual.

Boost and Sinker didn't have unique armour, and Comet is the same as he was in 'R2 Come Home'.

It may not be interesting to others, but it clearly is to me.

Edited March 20, 2011 by ADHO15

[DarthR2-D2]

What I don't understand (and this shows up continuously) is why they call Plo Koon "Master Plo." They call all of the other Jedi by their last names, so why not him? Does he have an Asian-style name with his first name second and his last name first?

Thats because Master Koon would be racist. (Black ppl already don't like Star Wars.)

[Fallenangel]

Well, the very first mention of the Clone Wars in ANH had the word Clone in it, so what were you expecting? A war that didn't involve Clones? If you don't take any EU sources into account, there's nothing to say that Stormtroopers aren't Clones too.

Nothing suggests that stormtroopers were clones either. It’s not that I expected a war without clones; it’s just that I didn’t expect the war to be fought by clones that nobody can really care about. Who’s going to cry over the death of CT-1284? Taun We?

Although neither show makes the Clone Wars out to be the dark time that Obi-Wan mentions in ANH, I think it's supposed to be a dark time just because a war is ravaging the galaxy. Not because the actual fighters involved feel anything, but because the non-fighters are paying the price. That's what some of those boring senate episodes are about; too much money being spent on the war effort and not anything else. Additionally, the episodes involving Aayla (Jedi Crash) are good examples of a harmless people being devastated because they are caught in the middle of the war. So, if you think more broadly about it you can kind of see what Obi-Wan was talking about.

To disagree with that, I will ask you to explain why the Coruscant we see in Sith was so shiny and clean when there is a war going on (especially seeing as Coruscant was the site of a major battle only a few days before). Okay, so the Lemur things in “Jedi Crash” were an exception.

Why? It's pretty pointless showing named characters from the films in constant threat because we all know they survive to be in the Sith. Introducing new characters and building up their characters up for a few episodes is good story telling.

I suppose so, but not when they’re around for such a short time (Again, Nahdar Vebb...)

He doesn't mean that. He means its hard to care about what is essentially two groups of faceless mass produced grunts shooting each other. He's agreeing with what the RLM Sith review said, which is the Clones should be Uruk-hai like creatures from another galaxy, and the people defending the galaxy should be ordinary conscripted men.

While I do agree with the former statement, the latter would essentially be the Yuuzhan Vong war...

[Clone OPatra]

To disagree with that, I will ask you to explain why the Coruscant we see in Sith was so shiny and clean when there is a war going on (especially seeing as Coruscant was the site of a major battle only a few days before).

Because nobody really thinks about these things too much, and there are tons of continuity errors anyhow

And, if you take the films alone, there's nothing to say that there really was a major battle there. All you can tell from the films is that there's a massive space battle going on, and they somehow captured the Chancellor, although that couldn't have been too difficult because he wanted to get captured. So…

Yeah, no point discussing these things too much. There's no way you can make sense out of it all, as we know.

[Artanis I]

Also, way to reuse Hans line Anakin "don't get cocky", tsk tsk Filoni.

It sounded like he said "don't get khaki" - great fashion advice from Anakin Skywalker.

I thought the scenery on this episode was fantastic, the colours and detail were awesome. There was also this "Disney moment" when the little bug things huddled together. I got drawn in to this episode, and I wasn't expecting a "to be continued..."

[simonjedi]

(Again, Nahdar Vebb...)

Nahdar Vebb's death was The WORST kept secret ever. People knew pretty much before the first episode aired. If he had a few episodes, then it wouldn't be bad. The Rookies from 'Rookies' and Rex are good, developed characters.

And, if you take the films alone, there's nothing to say that there really was a major battle there. All you can tell from the films is that there's a massive space battle going on,

So the separatists just landed like 5 dudes and kidnapped Palpatine? If it was that easy, why need to attack the planet? In the actual battle you see loads of ships falling. Even half of the invisible hand destroyed a building. Hell even the traffic was at normal levels Would have been nice to get some battle damage or buildings with scaffolding or being rebuilt.

and they somehow captured the Chancellor, although that couldn't have been too difficult because he wanted to get captured. So…Not really

,

There's a difference between getting captured in battle (by his own request) and Dear Captain Evil, I'll be at the old senete pretty daisy hut until 3pm alone, Please don't capture me *Wink Wink * P.S Bring an invasion fleet so it doesn't look too suspicious

[BrickArtist]

There's a difference between getting captured in battle (by his own request) and Dear Captain Evil, I'll be at the old senete pretty daisy hut until 3pm alone, Please don't capture me *Wink Wink * P.S Bring an invasion fleet so it doesn't look too suspicious

Let's say your attacking the pentagon, your in you've got you guy...but oh "look at those jets!". It's like that. Besides, the chancellor being kidnapped meant just about every republic ship in the galaxy coming home.

To disagree with that, I will ask you to explain why the Coruscant we see in Sith was so shiny and clean when there is a war going on (especially seeing as Coruscant was the site of a major battle only a few days before). Okay, so the Lemur things in “Jedi Crash” were an exception.

The effected area was the senate building, which was repaired over the course of the movie.

[Corvus]

The effected area was the senate building, which was repaired over the course of the movie.

Mm-hmm. So someone stages an assault on Washington, D.C., and tries to capture the president. Only the White House is damaged, and the city is otherwise unaffected.

You can't damage just the senate building. Even if it were only a space battle, there are massive pieces of debris raining down on the capital. Remember, the capital is going to be well-defended. There is going to be a sizable ground force on Coruscant, so a small invasion force isn't going to cut it. The Seperatists also have millions of droids. They can afford to toss thousands of droids on the ground to create a distraction.

[legofan24]

you can find padawan lost on mastertoons

[CMP]

you can find padawan lost on mastertoons

As...usual.... We've always known recent episodes are aired on it.

[legofan24]

As...usual.... We've always known recent episodes are aired on it.

i know that just incase cause on starwars.com it says its airing on the 1st of april

[Fallenangel]

Mm-hmm. So someone stages an assault on Washington, D.C., and tries to capture the president. Only the White House is damaged, and the city is otherwise unaffected.

You can't damage just the senate building. Even if it were only a space battle, there are massive pieces of debris raining down on the capital. Remember, the capital is going to be well-defended. There is going to be a sizable ground force on Coruscant, so a small invasion force isn't going to cut it. The Seperatists also have millions of droids. They can afford to toss thousands of droids on the ground to create a distraction.

Agreed. And the ground force was quite sizable indeed.

[DarthSion]

None downloaders should look away now.

Not a bad episode, odd sort of predators rip off, shocked the killed a child though.

A bit about Peter Mayhew in his reprisal of chewie in the season final.

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=4607

Edited March 22, 2011 by DarthSion

[Penitent Tangent]

I'm not sure why some are trying to use the term "kids show" like it's an insult. I hope you realize that the entire of Star Wars.. including the original movies were made for kids and you're posting on a LEGO forum. The hypocrisy there almost hurts. Just because something is designed to appeal to children doesn't mean it can't also appeal to a wider audience, and the Clone Wars has definitely shown many moments were it's reaching for a much bigger audience than just kids. There's constantly topics over on the official Star Wars sites from parents who feel the show has become too adult.

I'm not sure how you could see the show as just being a silly "kids show" but be fine with the movies and most of the EU.

..As for this new episode, I wasn't very impressed either to be honest. I thought it was a decent enough episode, there's some good action and seeing more Ahsoka growth is always a good thing but it felt very much like a filler episode. Considering that this is the finale act, it was pretty disappointing. Maybe the final one will make up for this but the story already just doesn't seem epic enough.

I also have to take issue with them killing off another character after 10 minutes.. We didn't really know who she was, we didn't really know anything about her and within the first 30 seconds of her appearing, it was painfully obvious what was going to happen. Far, far too predictable. The episodes that resolve around Ahsoka and her friendships are typically among the best episodes but you can't just introduce a character, quickly kill her off and expect us to feel bad. This is probably the biggest failing of the show so far and it's even more disappointing after they handled Piell's death quite well.