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They are exclusives not UCS.

Personally, I count UCS and S@H exclusive sets as the same thing. They both have the 10*** number, so they're both the same to me. :grin:

I bet it will come with a hyperdrive ring, and be in the same category as the Falcon and Shuttle: Big with figs.

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hmmm a UCS Jedi star fighter i've seen one before.....

Hehe, yeah, when I heard about this, I immediately thought of your MOC too. :grin: If it's UCS, I imagine the design/size will be quite similar.

I don't recall ever seeing Mace Windu or Aayla Secura flying a starfighter ?

Never in AOTC or ROTS, CW is a`huge question mark because we are not even half way though the series yet.

Actually, we've seen Mace fly both a Delta 7 and an Eta-2 in the Clone Wars, however the former is quite boring:

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I don't see the set being UCS either, but I'm looking forward to it regardless.

I'm guessing we'll see a UCS JSF around 600-800 parts size.

But that's just me hoping for a UCS version of Obi-Wan's JSF since we've already had more than enough of the system versions :laugh:

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I'm guessing we'll see a UCS JSF around 600-800 parts size.

But that's just me hoping for a UCS version of Obi-Wan's JSF since we've already had more than enough of the system versions :laugh:

I'm the same, but I have a little reasoning :tongue:

Seriously, Lego must understand, people only want or need so many JSF's, Let alone availible at once. My guess is It will be UCS and EP.II. Surely thats the only option, As lego is seriously starting to shove JSF's down our throats! I know some people like them. But I personlly love UCS sets, and we aren't getting enough of them (10212 being an obvious exeption :wub: ) So I would love to see a UCS Obi-wan's starfighter around the $70-100 mark :cry_happy:

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Personally, I count UCS and S@H exclusive sets as the same thing. They both have the 10*** number, so they're both the same to me. :grin:

The 5-digit number denotes an exclusive, not necessarily a 10***. (Since Architecture sets are 2****) All UCS sets are 'exclusives' presumably due to the 'Collector's' portion of the title, but not all Exclusives are UCS. For example, the Medieval Market Village is 10193, and most certainly not UCS.

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Personally, I count UCS and S@H exclusive sets as the same thing. They both have the 10*** number, so they're both the same to me. :grin:

I bet it will come with a hyperdrive ring, and be in the same category as the Falcon and Shuttle: Big with figs.

You just said it yourself, the Shuttle is 'USC', so what makes you think it'll be USC?

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I did say I may have missed something :laugh:

Yep! Although you'd be forgiven...

Sweden answered this one pretty conclusively in this thread back on page 352...

Regarding what's UCS or not

The first UCS models that TLC made were 7181 TIE Interceptor and 7191 X-Wing Fighter that were released in 2000. These two UCS sets were widely distributed to toy shops and as far as I know they didn't sell good enough to be widely distrbuted (or at least not here in Sweden were they sat on shelves until they cleared them out for a 50 % discount). My half qualified guess is that it was the case all over the world as they were made for and aimed at the more adult builders and collector that's supposed to be 10 % of all LEGO sales.

My half qualified guess is supported by the fact that 10018 Darth Maul Bust and 10019 Rebel Blockade Runner Tantive IV and (almost) every other UCS model from there on has been exclusives only available through LEGO Shop at Home and LEGO's own stores. This was probably done because UCS models sold good enough if they were sold directly from LEGO without any middle hands as toy shops.

As LEGO exclusives only available through LEGO Shop at Home and LEGO's own stores have a 5 digit item number the UCS models from here on got a 5 digit number as "all" else exclusives did and have.

Then we have the "mini figure sets" 10123 Cloud City, 10131 TIE Collection, 10144 Sandcrawler, 10178 Motorized Walking AT-AT, 10188 Death Star, 10198 Tantive IV and 10195 Republic Dropship with AT-OT Walker that probably also became exclusives because they were too obscure and expensive to be widely distributed through toy shops. So the reason for these sets having a 5 digit item number is just because they are exclusives only available through LEGO Shop at Home and LEGO's own stores and "not" because they're UCS models. They're just exclusive mini figure sets and nothing else.

When looking at the LEGO Shop at Home webpage over the years one have found that the above "exclusive mini figure sets" have been listed under the cathegory "Ultimate Collector Series" which has added to the confusion of what's UCS or not. But from what I've observed about these cathegories they weren't really "pure" as a Clone Wars set could've been listed under Star Wars Classic and vice versa and so on so I've never ever taken these cathegories too seriously.

I don't even think that TLC has taken these cathegories too seriously themselves so therefore UCS models and exclusive mini figure sets have been listed under the same cathegory.

The fact that the last widely distributed UCS model, or rather sculpture, to toy shops in 2002 were 7194 Yoda was probably becuase LEGO thought the sculpture was "cute enough" to sell good enough to be widely distributed but here in Sweden at least I saw it collecting dust until I think it was last year at one toy shop.

Sure, a whole lot of UCS models have been found on clearance at toy shops but that's because LEGO's clearing out their stocks and werehouses.

And if memory serves me right...

TLC said somewhere that the UCS model of the Millennium Falcon was the "first" UCS model to be scaled to their mini figures and as far as I know TLC never ever said for example that Cloud City was a UCS model except for some member here or there that claimed that some at LEGO Shop at Home customer service said that Cloud City was a UCS model. As far as I'm concerned the people at Shop at Home doesn't know too much about the product line.

I still remember when I got 10018 Darth Maul Bust in september of 2001 and probably was one of the first in the world to receive it early and made a post about that over at From Bricks to Bothans where one hell of a flame war against me started amongst members and then webpage owner Tim Soap. According to Tim Soap and the president of TLC in America (or whoever it was) this was impossible becuase of this or that megablocks they said. Well... A few weeks later it turned out that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing as TLC in America appearently didn't know what TLC in Europe did or didn't. And did I get an excuse for that? Hell no. Anyways... So until TLC makes a official announcement don't read to much into what's UCS or not.

So for me at least as a adult builder and collector the UCS models are UCS models and the exclusive mini figure sets are exclusive mini figure sets. I strongly feel that TLC should separate these two cathegories of UCS models and exclusive mini figure sets and keep them as separate brands if that's the correct word. UCS models for the more adult collector and exclusive mini figure sets not suitable for wide distribution for all of us builders and collectors.

I believe that this discussion about what's UCS or not started when the fan boys started to read too much in to set number and cathegories over at LEGO Shop at Home. Maybe because they wanted a mini figure set like for example Cloud City to be ultimate when they unfortunately couldn't afford a true UCS model.

So let's nip this one in the bud and get back to the speculation about Obi's Starfighter possibly being UCS. There is no reason why we couldn't get another this year. In 2000 we got 2, same in 2006 as mentioned earlier and just to up the ante there were 3 released in 2002 (although this was because the chrome pieces slated for the Naboo Fighter had issues hence pushing the release date out of 2001)...

I look forward to the big reveal!!! :thumbup:

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Interesting link (at least for the pictures) it's must be part one of the review.

The wing mechanism is very clever except for the fact you must operate two seperate wheels to swing the wings from landing to full flight position - if there is room a bit of PF'ing might help eh ?

No numbers on the bags and four books......oh what fun ! :laugh:

I'm a conformist! ! :sweet:

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the review is complete just use a translator,

a few bad points the top wing is very wobbly but can be fixed easily, the 1x6 arches used for the sides are fragile aswell.

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Now that's a big set.....mmm, lots of technic there eh ?

Gee, the designer must like SNOT, there's quite a bit there.

Hey, wheres the wheels to turn the wings ? Unless you use the large expossed gears as thumb-wheels ?

I'm a conformist! ! :sweet:

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The UCS Lambda shuttle is quite unlike LEGO's style.

I wish that all the fancy techniques used in UCS sets could be incorporated into some larger System sets as well, prices or whatnot. More complicated builds would at least justify the outrageous prices we've been paying for these things lately. :tongue:

Unlike some others, I'm actually hoping that LEGO decided on a UCS version of the Delta-7 Aethersprite. In Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith(as well as much of the older Clone Wars media) the Delta-7 and Eta-2 were two starships that really stood out, very sleek and elegant and reminiscent of legitimate Jedi Knights. Their designs look better than some of the ridiculous Prequel vehicle designs we've seen (homing spider droid anyone?) and definitely better than the atrocious designs we've seen in some recent Clone Wars episodes.

Not to mention the fact the current single UCS set from the prequels isn't really all that great. (I was counting on either the Radiant VII, a Venator, or even an AT-TE as a Prequel UCS but two got turned into 'exclusives' and the third appears quite successful as a System set.)

To the less observant: there are many, many differences between Obi-wan Kenobi's Delta-7 Aethersprite and the Delta-7Bs used in the newer Clone Wars, the placement of the astromech droid being the most noticeable at first glance. I will not go into detail right now, however; maybe later.

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I'm guessing dmac got one free becuase they basically used his design...

And I'm guessing a heck of a lot more than that too.

Fair enough though. I personally think he almost needs a personal mention on the box or something...

I can't wait for pics of the Fighter. I'm really hoping it's UCS EpII Delta. And the more I think about it, I'm quite sure it will be. I doubt they'd make such a big deal of hiding it if were 'just another' Lego starfighter :cry_happy:

Yay for UCS models

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Thanks for the heads up CG.

Dmac's review puts a strong argument forward as to why 10212 lacks all the playability or features many members had hoped for. Strength and durability stand as a sensible selling point for this model. Its stand out feature remains the sheer beauty of the design and the final scale of its presence.

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The UCS Lambda shuttle is quite unlike LEGO's style.

I wish that all the fancy techniques used in UCS sets could be incorporated into some larger System sets as well, prices or whatnot. More complicated builds would at least justify the outrageous prices we've been paying for these things lately. :tongue:

It's probably because the System sets are marketed towards kids.

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