-Tilius- Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I believe it was you who jumped into a discussion which you had not previously been involved in, so please don't try to act like I'm the 'aggressor' when you began commenting on me/my degree of education for no reason at all. Quote
Siegfried Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 OK, let's get back to the OT instead of arguing our brains out. Tillus, if you're looking for a fight, I'm not going to give you one. I believe it was you who jumped into a discussion which you had not previously been involved in, so please don't try to act like I'm the 'aggressor' when you began commenting on me/my degree of education for no reason at all. You've both made your points, and I think it's time to move on. If you want to continue silly this debate I can give you both a special topic in the chamber to do so. Quote
GI blockage Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not feeling the love in this thread and I blame this JSF. To me, it's neither here nor there. Not quite grand enough to be gazed upon with awe, and not quite small enough to have play value. According to KielDaMan's comparison pics (reposted below), the UCS JSF looks out of proportion. I think the ship should be considerably longer and the wings should be wider by at least 4 studs. Either that or the cockpit (and droid) smaller. (Do we get a new printed droid body piece on the underside of the wing where its giant body is sticking through?) If only this set were properly proportioned I might find it more attractive. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) According to KielDaMan's comparison pics (reposted below), the UCS JSF looks out of proportion. I think the ship should be considerably longer and the wings should be wider by at least 4 studs. Either that or the cockpit (and droid) smaller. (Do we get a new printed droid body piece on the underside of the wing where its giant body is sticking through?) If only this set were properly proportioned I might find it more attractive. I kinda agree with you. The cockpit of the UCS JSF does seem to be large relative to the body because the cockpit of the real JSF is more covered in front (white cover), making it appear small relative to its body. On the other hand, the front part of the cockpit in the UCS JSF is not covered which makes it look large and hence not proportioned to its body. Providing such white front cover in the cockpit of the UCS JSF is very difficult to achieve in brickbuild, probably a white sticker to cover the front part of the cockpit piece would have done it. With regards to the astromech droid head, it is indeed large, making it a 3x3 dome would have been acceptable. And there is no printed body (no body at all, just the 'rotating' head) of the astromech. Edited July 22, 2010 by KielDaMan Quote
cavegod Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) I kinda agree with you. The cockpit of the UCS JSF does seem to be large relative to the body because the cockpit of the real JSF is more covered in front (white cover), making it appear small relative to its body. On the other hand, the front part of the cockpit in the UCS JSF is not covered which makes it look large and hence not proportioned to its body. Providing such white front cover in the cockpit of the UCS JSF is very difficult to achieve in brickbuild, probably a white sticker to cover the front part of the cockpit piece would have done it. With regards to the astromech droid head, it is indeed large, making it a 3x3 dome would have been acceptable. And there is no printed body (no body at all, just the 'rotating' head) of the astromech. the astromech in a delta 7 is a permanent part of the ship R4 unit is it? either way i have a ucs delta 7 so TLC ain't getting £94.99 out of me. Edited July 22, 2010 by cavegod Quote
Navy Trooper Fenson Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Instead of describing how awful the JSF is, I would like to ask, why do we even get a JSF as UCS? It seems they would think we got fed up enough with regular JSFs with the seemingly yearly Delta-7B Re-Pack with different coloursceme. Additionally this year was TESBs birthday. What better releasedate for an UCS AT-AT with 5000 bricks than now? At least the JSF shows that LEGO didn´t mutate the UCS name to a senseless under-category for releasing two additional 150bucks+ sets that could have been also released within the system line. Quote
Aeroeza Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) According to KielDaMan's comparison pics (reposted below), the UCS JSF looks out of proportion. I think the ship should be considerably longer and the wings should be wider by at least 4 studs. Either that or the cockpit (and droid) smaller. (Do we get a new printed droid body piece on the underside of the wing where its giant body is sticking through?) If only this set were properly proportioned I might find it more attractive. Bear in mind that these are not great comparison images. Its easy to forget the effect a particular lens will have on a photo such as a wide angled one combined with its focal length. If you want to get your dimensions right then you need orthographic images which completely lack the effect of distortion caused by perspective and depth. Anything else is guesswork and prone to significant error. Remember also that sculpting with the brick limits us to particular 'clean' angles. What you get from a UCS model is the best dimensions possible within the confines of the pieces available to us. Perfect proportion is unlikely and in some ways part of the appeal of Lego. 'Near enough' is a big accomplishment when your building blocs set the parameters so rigidly. The droid head when compared to the Lucasfilm studio model (as opposed to the 3D rendered one using wiz-bang camera settings for dramatic effect) is not nearly so oversized as some members feel. Once again a desire for accuracy has to measured against what's near enough to the resources available to a Lego builder. Not to mention that this droid head is also a fantastic MOC inspiring Lego element for the Star Wars theme! Forgive me if its already been mentioned but the lack of an Astromech body is due to this model being a Delta 7 as opposed to a Delta 7B. The droid head is hardwired into the fighter and lacks a body altogether. On a side note, complaints about price are reasonable but 100USD is not so different to the UCS Tie Interceptor and that was released 10 years ago. In short it isn't enough of a problem to deter a collector who has enjoyed the range over the years. It's apples vs. oranges stuff.... Edited July 22, 2010 by Aeroeza Quote
Brickdoctor Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) Box image: (via FBTB) More here. Never embedded video before, but here goes, Official TLG video: Edited July 22, 2010 by Brickdoctor Quote
cavegod Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Box image: (via FBTB) More here. Never embedded video before, but here goes, Official TLG video: lol http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=44391 Quote
The Legonater Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 the astromech in a delta 7 is a permanent part of the ship R4 unit is it? either way i have a ucs delta 7 so TLC ain't getting £94.99 out of me. They're not permantly in for the ride, they are in fact seperate. Beside, you cans ee Obi's loyal droid in Ep.3 wioth him at the beggining. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) They're not permantly in for the ride, they are in fact seperate. Beside, you cans ee Obi's loyal droid in Ep.3 wioth him at the beggining. The very first models of Aethersprite would not allow for a full-size astromech droid navigator, as next-generation starfighters, such as the T-65 X-wing, would commonly use (most likely due to the fact that, because of the Aethersprite's design and hull's thinness, a full-size astromech socket wouldn't fit). Instead, the astromech droids were integrated directly into the starfighter, with only the truncated droid's head visible. At least two models of these droids were used, the R3-D series, which was used primarily for targeting (needed because the starfighter was so fast that most pilots would not be able to fire correctly and/or accurately), and the R4-P series, which was used more for navigation than targeting. Later though, a newer model of Aethersprite, the Delta-7B, would allow for a factory-model astromech-droid navigator. The Delta-7B is the fighter used in the TV show. During the Clone Wars, the Jedi began to transition away from the Delta-7. R4 was given a full astromech body, white, with red trim, to make her compatible with the new Delta-7B Aethersprite-class interceptor and Eta-2 Actis-class interceptor used by General Kenobi. lol http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=44391 Oops. I can't believe I just did that. Usually I'm good at recognizing stuff that's already been posted. Ah, well, at least now you won't have to go to another thread to see the video. Edited July 22, 2010 by Brickdoctor Quote
-JD- Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Early views of 10215: Very nice and accurate. Love the printed dish! But on closer inspection... Needs more greebles, seems too long, and the price tag in gigantimous! Quote
The Legonater Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 That's wierd. Lucas himself said that the R4 would come out, but they just wouldn't show that in the second one. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 That's wierd. Lucas himself said that the R4 would come out, but they just wouldn't show that in the second one. When did he say that? Quote
Derek Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) When did he say that? More importantly, why would he say that? Edited July 23, 2010 by darthperson Quote
Brickdoctor Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 More importantly, why would he say that? Maybe because the original production design of the Aethersprite had no Astro-droid socket, so everything concerning the droid was last-minute changes? Quote
The Legonater Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 When did he say that? When they were designing models for Ep.2. It's on the DVD special features. Quote
RileyC Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 I saw this picture on starwars.com and I just wanted to share it. Its for a competition at Comicon and I envy who ever wins one of those three! Quote
Skalldyr Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) I saw this picture on starwars.com and I just wanted to share it. Its for a competition at Comicon and I envy who ever wins one of those three! DANG!!! one of two!!! Edited July 23, 2010 by Skalldyr Quote
Brickdoctor Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) DANG!!! one of two!!! My thoughts exactly. Though I wonder, 1 of 2 gold and 1 of 3 silver, what happened to the other bronze Fett?' EDIT: If this is the ComicCon ultimate prize, what are they giving away for Celebration V? Gold, Silver, and Bronze? Edited July 23, 2010 by Brickdoctor Quote
Brickus Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 (edited) Wow, those Boba's are awesome. and the UCS Starfighter is awesome. Edited July 24, 2010 by Brickus Quote
BrickClick Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Those Bobas are sooooo cool! Unfortunately I own none of them and probably never will Quote
cavegod Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Anybody else find that the 10212 and 10215 are no longer on lego's website? Quote
OneSnowTrooper Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Yep the Shuttle is gone from the Lego shop in The Netherlands.. Quote
XimenaPaulina Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Great Bobas! Damn the lucky winner, one lucky dude. Those 2 are the 'real' collector's items. Quote
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