[MOC] UCS Boba Fett's Slave 1

[Walter Kovacs]

I remebered that you did a very nice version, but I thought Andi over on FBTB has also done several versions, improving it every time. I could be wrong though. Someone over there had done 9 versions, I do remember that. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't cavegod or Anio.

BTW, cavegod's version is also very well done. I think I've said that before.

[Fallenangel]

I remebered that you did a very nice version, but I thought Andi over on FBTB has also done several versions, improving it every time. I could be wrong though. Someone over there had done 9 versions, I do remember that. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't cavegod or Anio.

BTW, cavegod's version is also very well done. I think I've said that before.

Ah yes, Junsier of FBTB and his 9 versions of the Slave I. But at least they get a little better each time.

I maintain that amun-Ra's model is the best I've seen.

[Walter Kovacs]

Junsier, that was his name. I'll have to check out Amun-Ra's version. Thanks FallenAngel.

[cavegod]

This one?

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=204257

[Anio]

Thank you everyone for your kind words.

I'm pleased to see you like my Slave. :)

Is it just me or did you add more greebles to the back?

Yes, I did. I added a lot.

what you building next??

I've been working on 2 projects. But currently, both are very very far from being complete.

So, I prefer not saying anything about them (oh, and don't waste your time browsing SeTechnic ; you won't find anything about my next projects there too ;) ).

Perhaps the only thing that could be improved is the scratched-up look on the sides. I kind of miss it, although your attempts at it are quite nice. I know this is hard to realise, especially with your SNOT concept.

That's not easy. I've put some light bluish gray and dark brown slopes and wings, but Ithink it is the best I can do.

It looks fairly sturdy, is it?

Yes it is ! :)

Do you you think its minifigure scale, or a little smaler?

It is smaller. Actually, with the size of my model, the minifig should be something like 3.3cm tall (whereas it is 4.1cm tall)

Where did you get the sticker made? Is that something you also designed yourself?

The sticker is home made photoshop made. Not by me, but by Oxycrest (as always, I would say :) ).

He is good, isn't he ?

Is there a storage compartment for the new Carbonite Han, by any chance?

No, unfortunately, there is neither compartment, nor Han in carbonite. :(

I had originally planed to put the new Han in carbonite (set 8097). But in the end, I had no room inside the MOC, mainly because of the black stand that goes inside the MOC. Moreover, I noticed few weeks ago than Han in carbonite is much bigger than I expected (4 studs wide O_o).

I remember someone on FBTB was Slave I obsessed, having done 9 versions of the ship last time I checked, but I didn't see any current threads about it.

Unsier maybe ?

i would love a picture of them both together, is there any chance that you 'Anio' will be going to AFOLcon next april/may?

Impossible. Does it surprise you ?

First things first, I believe some work needs to be done on the stabilizer fins. As can be seen in this picture of the studio model, the fins should have large portions that appear cut out so that they can rotate without interfering with the beams to which they are attached. I think amun-Ra's model does a decent job of this detail.

I know that.

I've tried with 2x3 and 2x4 wings and it doesn't look good since the part that was cut didn't match with the tan arm.

Maybe I should try with plate 3x3 cut corner...

There's also an issue regarding the pair of beams that angle upward toward the hull (between the fins and the main body); they are actually attached to rectangular structures more inside the ship. When I saw that on the WIP pictures I had hoped that you would catch the mistake and fix it in a later rendition but you didn't so I'm telling you now. amun-Ra's model also illustrates this well. (I'm sorry I didn't tell you this before when the fins were still grey `= ) I didn't have decent reference pictures of this ship at the time.)

Yes, I know that too. But if I put some bricks there, they finally will be outside of the green arches, and also perpendicular to them.

So, it won't look good, sure.

And I can not put them more "inside" since there is a dark bluish gray axle joiner I can't remove.

However, you've lost the angle where they meet the brown skirtlike area. Perhaps this could be fixed if you removed the smaller dark green curved pieces you've got right up against the brown bricks with something else?

I don't see what's wrong between the green arches and the brown "skirt".

It looks like you've put an inverted 1x2 45 slope brick in place of the SNOT near Slave I's main hatch. In any case, the angles there are a bit different so I would suggest changing that piece. Perhaps a 1x2x2 slope brick would do.

Among the changes I did, that is one that I really appreciate. I think that this little slope give a much more agressive look to the Slave 1.

It also enables me to have a very good "join" with the SNOTed light bluish gray wings 2x4.

The field of grey on the sides looks a bit bland; I think we had already established the fact on FBTB that there should be more green there. This also shows in the image I deeplinked earlier in this thread. There's no tan there on the studio model either, so I would suggest removing the random tan tile you've got there; it looks really out of place and stands out too much.

I like the current color scheme. I don't want to put to much green (especially dark green) for the MOC not to look too shiny.

I also like the tan parts, even if this color is not on the studio model. It contributes to make the model "battle-fatigued".

And if you look at my photos, you will notice that I put the dark green parts symetrically to bring some sharpness and clarity to the MOC. Indeed, the dark green is the color that catches the eye the most and that do not contribute to give a "battle-fatigued" look.

I think the end of the nose (or tail, or whatever) could look betterif you could somehow achieve the slight humps around the cannons. This can easily be done either with plates or with inverted radar dish pieces.

No, I won't for 2 reasons :

- to put a dish 2x2 (an other dish would be too big), I have to put a plate 1x1 round between the four studs. But this plate 1x1 wouldn't be well attached. Indeed, it is not equivalent to put such a part on 4 bricks 1x1 and on 1 brick 2x2.

- moreover, if I put this plate round with a dish, the 2 cannons would be even wide. Actually, they are already a bit too wide.

About the back...

Honnestly, I think I can't do much better... :-S

My back is only 1 brick thick. I know the back of my Slave looks quite different from the studio model. Nevertheless, I think it doesnt' look that bad... :)

Just one thing Fallenangel : believe me, I really appreciate every of your suggestion (I do, really). It enables me to explain many things.

But do not forget a very basic thing : a MOCer is NOT a model-maker. ;)

He ALWAYS has to do compromises.

PS : sorry for the mistakes I may have done, and especially, sorry for writting such an unreadable long message. @_@

Edited December 7, 2010 by Anio

[cavegod]

2 projects?

i on;y have the one at the moment that i am stuck on at the momentoh and i also need to finish the Landing craft aswell, i only need to add 6 parts but just never seem to get round to doing it.

[CommanderFox]

Wow, thats incredible Anio!

Looks perfect! Not much more I can add.

CF

[Fallenangel]

I know that.

I've tried with 2x3 and 2x4 wings and it doesn't look good since the part that was cut didn't match with the tan arm.

Maybe I should try with plate 3x3 cut corner...

Yes, I know that too. But if I put some bricks there, they finally will be outside of the green arches, and also perpendicular to them.

So, it won't look good, sure.

And I can not put them more "inside" since there is a dark bluish gray axle joiner I can't remove.

I don't see what's wrong between the green arches and the brown "skirt".

Among the changes I did, that is one that I really appreciate. I think that this little slope give a much more agressive look to the Slave 1.

It also enables me to have a very good "join" with the SNOTed light bluish gray wings 2x4.

I like the current color scheme. I don't want to put to much green (especially dark green) for the MOC not to look too shiny.

I also like the tan parts, even if this color is not on the studio model. It contributes to make the model "battle-fatigued".

And if you look at my photos, you will notice that I put the dark green parts symetrically to bring some sharpness and clarity to the MOC. Indeed, the dark green is the color that catches the eye the most and that do not contribute to give a "battle-fatigued" look.

No, I won't for 2 reasons :

- to put a dish 2x2 (an other dish would be too big), I have to put a plate 1x1 round between the four studs. But this plate 1x1 wouldn't be well attached. Indeed, it is not equivalent to put such a part on 4 bricks 1x1 and on 1 brick 2x2.

- moreover, if I put this plate round with a dish, the 2 cannons would be even wide. Actually, they are already a bit too wide.

Honnestly, I think I can't do much better... :-S

My back is only 1 brick thick. I know the back of my Slave looks quite different from the studio model. Nevertheless, I think it doesnt' look that bad... :)

Just one thing Fallenangel : believe me, I really appreciate every of your suggestion (I do, really). It enables me to explain many things.

But do not forget a very basic thing : a MOCer is NOT a model-maker. ;)

He ALWAYS has to do compromises.

PS : sorry for the mistakes I may have done, and especially, sorry for writting such an unreadable long message. @_@

First of all, with the arches, it's just a really minor thing; notice here that at the place where the arches meet the brown skirt there's an angle of around 45 degrees. You had captured this fairly well with the 3x3 plates without corners in your previous rendition, but with the new pieces it looks like you may have overlooked that detail.

The rest of what you said seems pretty reasonable... I guess next time I should try and take more of the internal structure and such into account before making more suggestions.

And of course builders make compromises Anio... that's why, for the most part, I try to calibrate my suggestions to the limitations of the brick. Everything I said above was based on the achievement of details I had already observed in other models or what looked like a quick fix (color issues and such). I tend to be a little harder on UCS and other larger models (since there is more you can do with LEGO) but I still take into account the fact that it is LEGO. That's why I didn't bother to notify you of the large grey section of the skirt that needs to be larger, because I can tell from the way you've built that section that there really isn't any easy way to do it that way. And I'm perfectly fine with it. And if any of my suggestions seem unreasonable to you I'm glad you've informed me.

I do think you really need to do something with those beams, but based on the way you've built this there doesn't appear to be a particularly convenient way to do it, so I'll just let it go.

And you realize I was talking about sand green...

Oh yes, cavegod and his UCS project that I think he said was a TIE Bomber at some point but I don't remember. It's a little odd since he specifically said he was doing a model that wasn't grey or black.

What's wrong with amun-Ra's version? Sure, it's blocky but it really has the shape and proportions of the ship down pat in my opinion.

[Anio]

I do think you really need to do something with those beams, but based on the way you've built this there doesn't appear to be a particularly convenient way to do it, so I'll just let it go.

And you realize I was talking about sand green...

The beams ?

The tan parts with U-joints you mean ?

I will see what I can do. :)

[drdavewatford]

Another fantastic UCS MOC, Anio - great work !

Let me know when the instructions and inventory are available - having built clones of your UCS TIE and superb Podracer (both are still built and on display), perhaps Slave 1 should be next....

[Anio]

Another fantastic UCS MOC, Anio - great work !

Thanks. :)

Let me know when the instructions and inventory are available - having built clones of your UCS TIE and superb Podracer (both are still built and on display), perhaps Slave 1 should be next....

Instructions are not planed... :s

But if you are ok to build some elements yourself, I can provide a new LDD file. In this file there is the main "body" of the ship.

The wings, all the greebs, the cockpit and the laser cannon are NOT in this file... (and some parts do not have the right color). So, you can do them as you want, or looking at the pics I did and try to reproduce them.

The LDD file is not complete because I do not use LDD to do all the finishes.

Otherwise, I worked a bit on the Slave to see what I could do to take into account some of the suggestions above. :)

As for the wings :

(do not pay attention to the color I use ; I currently do not have the right colors)

As you can see, it doesn't match with the tan arm. :/ (with plate 3x3 cut corner it is even worse).

To attach the wing 3x2, I also have to put plate/tile above and below the wing 3x2. Thus, the wing became 3 plates thick, which doesn't look very good...

So, I think that my previous wings look much better. Don't you agree ?

I also changed that :

I put Technic parts : a driving ring extension and a driving ring (I get this idea maybe because I'm also a Lego Technic fan ! ^^).

These 2 parts are old gray (no choice, they do not exist in LBG and DBG).

I think the model look better with these Technic parts. What is your opinion ?

Edited December 8, 2010 by Anio

[cavegod]

Thanks. :)

Instructions are not planed... :s

But if you are ok to build some elements yourself, I can provide a new LDD file. In this file there is the main "body" of the ship.

The wings, all the greebs, the cockpit and the laser cannon are NOT in this file... (and some parts do not have the right color). So, you can do them as you want, or looking at the pics I did and try to reproduce them.

The LDD file is not complete because I do not use LDD to do all the finishes.

Otherwise, I worked a bit on the Slave to see what I could do to take into account some of the suggestions above. :)

As for the wings :

(do not pay attention to the color I use ; I currently do not have the right colors)

As you can see, it doesn't match with the tan arm. :/ (with plate 3x3 cut corner it is even worse).

To attach the wing 3x2, I also have to put plate/tile above and below the wing 3x2. Thus, the wing became 3 plates thick, which doesn't look very good...

So, I think that my previous wings look much better. Don't you agree ?

I put Technic parts : a driving ring extension and a driving ring (I get this idea maybe because I'm also a Lego Technic fan ! ^^).

These 2 parts are old gray (no choice, they do not exist in LBG and DBG).

I think the model look better with these Technic parts. What is your opinion ?

if you change the part where the stabiliser bar attaches to the wing

by moving the pivot point nearer the body it will steepen the angle enough to match the 2x4 wedge plate??

Edited December 8, 2010 by cavegod

[Anio]

Impossible.

If I want my wings to rotate well, I'm compelled to attach the tan arm with a U-joint, in exactly the same direction than the axis where the wing is attached (dunno if my sentence is understandable O_o).

Edited December 8, 2010 by Anio

[andibandit]

The model looks really great, very nice work :)

[Fallenangel]

Impossible.

If I want my wings to rotate well, I'm compelled to attach the tan arm with a U-joint, in exactly the same direction than the axis where the wing is attached (dunno if my sentence is understandable O_o).

The "hole" in the fins should extend all the way to the grey "claws" (which makes sense, since it should line up with the tan arm). In addition, it should be farther from the edge of the wing. cavegod's got the hole more or less in the right place, although it doesn't extend far enough either. Of course, it doesn't look like you'll be able to use for the fins anymore. You are correct in that this would require you to build the fin thicker, but the fin should already be quite thick in that section so I think you can use that to your advantage. As for cavegod, it looks like his arms are attached too far inward so I would advise against that (nice to see you're following along though; now I'm helping two MOCers at once)

The driving ring looks great, but the angle on the U-joint isn't large enough - the thicker portion should be nearly parallel with the tan arm. Put another way, the driving ring itself should be angled downward. I think fixing this would also help the arm line up with the gap a little bit better. It looks like cavegod did this a little better on his model. But as you said, there are parts in that location that you can't tinker with, so I guess one should just compromise and leave that place as it is?

[Anio]

The driving ring looks great, but the angle on the U-joint isn't large enough - the thicker portion should be nearly parallel with the tan arm. Put another way, the driving ring itself should be angled downward. I think fixing this would also help the arm line up with the gap a little bit better. It looks like cavegod did this a little better on his model. But as you said, there are parts in that location that you can't tinker with, so I guess one should just compromise and leave that place as it is?

Yes. In fact, I have "many" technical constraints. Do not forget that my wings, the tan arms and the cockpit rotate all together when you rotate one of them. ;)

The "hole" in the fins should extend all the way to the grey "claws" (which makes sense, since it should line up with the tan arm). In addition, it should be farther from the edge of the wing. cavegod's got the hole more or less in the right place, although it doesn't extend far enough either. Of course, it doesn't look like you'll be able to use for the fins anymore. You are correct in that this would require you to build the fin thicker, but the fin should already be quite thick in that section so I think you can use that to your advantage. As for cavegod, it looks like his arms are attached too far inward so I would advise against that (nice to see you're following along though; now I'm helping two MOCers at once)

Actually the main problem is that there is no Lego wing with the right angle. That's all.

[Fallenangel]

Yes. In fact, I have "many" technical constraints. Do not forget that my wings, the tan arms and the cockpit rotate all together when you rotate one of them. ;)

Huh? Oh wait, the pilot's chair is really high up, now that I look at it...

I almost don't want to say this, but the stabilizer fins and the cockpit should pivot independently of each other. If you connect them, it's impossible to get the cockpit to pivot correctly considering the location of the axle connecting the fins. Looks like this would take a while to correct...

[Anio]

I almost don't want to say this, but the stabilizer fins and the cockpit should pivot independently of each other. If you connect them, it's impossible to get the cockpit to pivot correctly considering the location of the axle connecting the fins. Looks like this would take a while to correct...

Sorry, but it looks quite good to me.

[cavegod]

My stabiliser wings rotate together and also on there own i weighted them so that they would stay in the correct position which ever way you had the Slave-1 facing.

[Anio]

My stabiliser wings rotate together and also on there own i weighted them so that they would stay in the correct position which ever way you had the Slave-1 facing.

You have to make a short video !!!

Pleeeease !

[Brickdoctor]

You have to make a short video !!!

Pleeeease !

I second the motion.

Maybe it's just 'cause I'm terrible at it, but I always love a little bit of Technic wizardry.

[simonjedi]

This one?

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=204257

The rest of the MOC looks fine but I really don't like the back. I don't know if it's the bareness of it or the feeling of 'screw it, that'll do' that he/she might have done.

Also fallenangel327 No offence, but stop being so damn spergy about everything.

[Fallenangel]

The rest of the MOC looks fine but I really don't like the back. I don't know if it's the bareness of it or the feeling of 'screw it, that'll do' that he/she might have done.

Also fallenangel327 No offence, but stop being so damn spergy about everything.

While I don't appreciate the derogatory use of the word, I suppose I am a bit lacking in empathy, seeing the number of people who have labeled me as insensitive and rude lately. But I'm trying to change...

I think when Amun-Ra posted the MOC he said that he didn't have certain parts in the right color, so I think that would account for the back.

[simonjedi]

While I don't appreciate the derogatory use of the word, I suppose I am a bit lacking in empathy, seeing the number of people who have labeled me as insensitive and rude lately. But I'm trying to change...

I wouldn't say that because you are actually offering constructive criticism. My main/only problem is the fact you're thinking like a model maker instead of a MOCer. I.E complaining about details that are physically impossible to achieve in L ego in this scale. You might end up being a pedantic 'Oh this MOC is wrong because on the Red 3 X-wing filming model, the space between the laser cannon housing were 0.03 mm where as your MOC it's clearly futher apart apart' nerd.

[Brickdoctor]

I wouldn't say that because you are actually offering constructive criticism. My main/only problem is the fact you're thinking like a model maker instead of a MOCer. I.E complaining about details that are physically impossible to achieve in L ego in this scale. You might end up being a pedantic 'Oh this MOC is wrong because on the Red 3 X-wing filming model, the space between the laser cannon housing were 0.03 mm where as your MOC it's clearly futher apart apart' nerd.

I would have to agree with that statement. An MOCer has to fit prefab blocks that may or may not be exactly the right size together to resemble something else, but he also has to achieve a certain amount of elegance. That means SNOT wings on an X-wing, if necessary. Or less greebling than is accurate. Or more.