Emperor Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Conversion to UK £ has the Frigate at £100. Yes, but sets like the Echo Base cost about 20 $ in the US, converted to € this would be about 15 €; yet the price in Germany is 27 €. So if the price is 170 $(without the high tax it will probably be around 140$), it will be a set as big as the Venator; with a ship as beautiful as a Republic Frigate TLG would have to be really stupid to make a playset out of it. Quote
Supersonic Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Not necessarily. Nothing has been finalised as far as prices go. 170$ is steep, although Lego prices have been stupidly high this season. What dollar are you talking about? Conversion to UK £ has the Frigate at £100. If that is correct, the Frigate will either be a smallish play set based on minifigs - a bit like the Home One set. And since the only room shown on the frigate was the medical bay... the play set idea seems a bit weak. The other option would be a full model in midi scale. At 10 pence a piece (like the good old days) you'd have a 1000 piece model, give or take. But at current prices which are more like 13 pence a piece, it could only have approx 769 pieces. What kind of Frigate design would have less than a 1000 pieces? It would be poor as minifig scale imo. This calculation isn't specific enough imo. First of all, it cost about 140 €/$, and normally it's 10 cent/piece in these currencies. Sure, there are exceptions, but mostly with small sets. Tantive IV and Venator both cost 150$ and have 1400 pieces. A playset of an unknown ship like the Frigate would be stupid, plus the Venator is going out of production next spring, making room for a new playset model. There is NO way this isn't minifig scale. BTW, Midi scale makes a ISD so small that a Frigate (much, much smaller) would never have 700+ pieces. @Mr Man: The Tantive was 2009, the AT-AT is Special Edition. So far, There has never been a wave with more than one big sets as afaik, only if you take into account special/limited edition releases. Quote
StoutFiles Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) A new Falcon, a new Slave 1, a new Han Solo carbonite mold... If only there was a place where all three of these things meet! Come on TLG, don't let me down... Edited November 23, 2010 by StoutFiles Quote
Emperor Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 There has never been a wave with more than one big sets as afaik, only if you take into account special/limited edition releases. Maybe this means the podracers will be much cheaper than 100€? :) 100 € would be ridiculous, podracers are great, but the 1000 pieces a 100 € set should contain are far too much for just 2 racers. Quote
TheBrickHitHouse Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Sith infilitrator again? Boring Infact most of these sets are fairly uninspired, C'mon it's star wars - every set should be great Quote
legolandia Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 I am quite excited about the new Sith Infiltrator and pod racers because I am hoping that finally we may get a decent Darth Maul with a rubber head and a decent sebulba too. Fingers crossed. Boring............ C'mon it's star wars - every set should be great Contradicting yourself a bit there Quote
Walter Kovacs Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Ugh, my wallet hurts already, and it's still 2010. While a new Millenium Falcon, Sith Infiltrator and Podracers sound great in theory, they will be the first sets I pass over. I already have a MF, both Podracer sets and an Infiltrator, and the other sets sound good enough to take my money, which is quite limited (and will be, even in August 2011). Quote
Lord Embo Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 To be honest I've had trouble keeping up with what Summer sets we are getting but have looked back and got a list of them all and my opinions next to them.(it's a long list for Lego Star Wars sets IMO): Millenium Falcon(hopefully a Return of the Jedi one) Ewok Attack(might be good, depends on minifigs and originality of the design) Sith Infiltrator(not another one! could bring out a horned Darth Maul head and proper flesh Qui-Gon head with no scams like with the Republic Cruiser) Geonosian Starfighter(all depends on the Geonosians. might be too similar to Dooku's Solar Sailer though) Red Y-Wing and AAT(hopefully the Y-Wing has a bomb dropping mechanism) Dathomir Speeder(possibly a new Ventress at last or maybe Savage Opress) Republic Frigate(not a well known ship. it'll probably be similar to the Home One though ) Anakin and Sebulba's Podracers(probably included together to explain the high price, might include a new Padme at long last! ) Battle of Geonosis(name will probably change. TLG don't release two sets with similar names in one year) Stun Tank(hopefully includes some Dugs or Commander Ponds if based off the ones seen on Malastare) I might have missed some, but these are the ones I found. Hopefully these prove to be just as good as the January wave! Lord Embo Quote
afosl Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Yes, but sets like the Echo Base cost about 20 $ in the US, converted to € this would be about 15 €; yet the price in Germany is 27 €. So if the price is 170 $(without the high tax it will probably be around 140$), it will be a set as big as the Venator; with a ship as beautiful as a Republic Frigate TLG would have to be really stupid to make a playset out of it. But Lego will not be converting US dollars to Euros or UK Sterling. They'll be converting Euros to any other currency and then adjusting accordingly. So prices will not match up when you do your own converting. According to brickset, if correct, Echo Base had the same denomination on both sides of the pond - 24.99. And I have found that that figures haven't varied too wildly between the UK and US on a lot of sets, even though the actual value of the kit is often better in the States when looked at through UK tinted glasses. The Euro was only ever invented to muddy the waters, and is a terrible idea. As a result of it's poor performance, everything in the UK is expensive when converted to Sterling. Kits might seem expensive to Americans, but if you live in the UK, you'd kill to get Lego at such low prices. Echo base at $24.99 sounds like £15.99 to a Brit. But we still got it at £24.99 because of the way Lego works out their prices and how the Euro works against the Pound. If this is the case, one or both prices for the Frigate is wrong. If the Frigate makes it to £100 in the UK, you can bet it will have a very similar figure in the States. And for the piece count and exchange rate, which never seems strictly adhered to by Lego, The US will get the better deal. If it turns out to be $140 in the States, it won't be £100 in the UK. It'll probably be more. The Venator might seem like a good deal, but it does have a lot of small parts (Technic pins) which come in under the 10 pence a piece band if bought separately. And if the Frigate turns out like the Venator, I still can't see it being minifig based. Consider that the medical bay was in the pylon connecting the front and rear of the ship. In a set that will contain circa 1000 pieces (going by price speculation), that pylon/medical bay would have to take up most of the parts. Which would mean playset, which like you said, would be a stupid thing to do. I still say it'll be the largest midi kit seen so far, but anything goes at this stage, and I've been wrong before:grin: Quote
Brickdoctor Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Maybe this means the podracers will be much cheaper than 100€? :) 100 € would be ridiculous, podracers are great, but the 1000 pieces a 100 € set should contain are far too much for just 2 racers. Yeah. The original set had three pods for 800 pieces. Quote
Supersonic Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 But Lego will not be converting US dollars to Euros or UK Sterling. They'll be converting Euros to any other currency and then adjusting accordingly. So prices will not match up when you do your own converting. According to brickset, if correct, Echo Base had the same denomination on both sides of the pond - 24.99. And I have found that that figures haven't varied too wildly between the UK and US on a lot of sets, even though the actual value of the kit is often better in the States when looked at through UK tinted glasses. The Euro was only ever invented to muddy the waters, and is a terrible idea. As a result of it's poor performance, everything in the UK is expensive when converted to Sterling. Kits might seem expensive to Americans, but if you live in the UK, you'd kill to get Lego at such low prices. Echo base at $24.99 sounds like £15.99 to a Brit. But we still got it at £24.99 because of the way Lego works out their prices and how the Euro works against the Pound. If this is the case, one or both prices for the Frigate is wrong. If the Frigate makes it to £100 in the UK, you can bet it will have a very similar figure in the States. And for the piece count and exchange rate, which never seems strictly adhered to by Lego, The US will get the better deal. If it turns out to be $140 in the States, it won't be £100 in the UK. It'll probably be more. The Venator might seem like a good deal, but it does have a lot of small parts (Technic pins) which come in under the 10 pence a piece band if bought separately. And if the Frigate turns out like the Venator, I still can't see it being minifig based. Consider that the medical bay was in the pylon connecting the front and rear of the ship. In a set that will contain circa 1000 pieces (going by price speculation), that pylon/medical bay would have to take up most of the parts. Which would mean playset, which like you said, would be a stupid thing to do. I still say it'll be the largest midi kit seen so far, but anything goes at this stage, and I've been wrong before I believe you actually want it to be a midi set, but for the last time - 140$ is the price of the Venator, of the Tantive IV, and it was also the ISD's price. There has never been a midi set this big and I very much doubt it ever will, as the midi sets seem to be selling pretty bad. I never said the Venator was a good deal (it it, though), it's just an example why the Frigate will be minifig scale. You're focusing too much on price convertion into pound, while the only important price is the dollar one. If a set costs 150 dollars, it might cost 150 pounds as well (yes, unfair, but true), but the decisions are made by TLG based on the dollar prices. You're arguing exactly the wrong way here ("If the Frigate makes it to £100 in the UK, you can bet it will have a very similar figure in the States.") SO yeah, you have to convert the prices yourself based on experience. BTW, you're talking about a medical bay here - I keep telling everybody that the vehicle with the official name "Republic Frigate" is this ship. The Pelta class frigate would be called "Medical Frigate" and would also be a very poor set as it is boring in design and in functionality, the latter of which still is an important point for children. Who wants to play hospital in a warship? Another reason why this is no midi set: the midis so far were iconic, well-known ships from the original trilogy. Everybody who knows Star Wars knows the Falcon and the general looks of the ISD. The frigate is a TCW invention. So the customers who would buy a midi frigate are a)TCW fans who are b)interested in design instead of playability. a) is mostly kids, b) is mostly AFOLs. It would be one stupid set. Quote
Lord Embo Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) BTW, you're talking about a medical bay here - I keep telling everybody that the vehicle with the official name "Republic Frigate" is this ship. The Pelta class frigate would be called "Medical Frigate" and would also be a That's just a recolour of the Republic Cruiser effectively! Unless an exclusive figure is included, this set is a pass for me. Besides, my wallet isn't a bottomless pit so I can't afford to buy sets that are just recolours of old ones; I could probably make them using existing pieces from other sets. End of Republic Frigate related rant. Lord Embo Edited November 23, 2010 by Lord Embo Quote
Supersonic Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 That's just a recolour of the Republic Cruiser effectively! Unless an exclusive figure is included, this set is a pass for me. Besides, my wallet isn't a bottomless pit so I can't afford to buy sets that are just recolours of old ones; I could probably make them using existing pieces from other sets. End of Republic Frigate related rant. Lord Embo I personally missed the Republic Cruiser because it was an exclusive. I didn't have internet access back in 2007 and since I discovered its existence I've come to regret it. It's a great ship and it only gets better as a military version. Of course I see why people would complain about another remake. But of all the sets they could remake this is probably the best. (Plus, it looks way better in military colors, and there might be some interesting new figs.) Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Thank you very much for this news, whung and nrg! Finally at least two OT sets in 2011! Ewok Attack: Supposably it'll be more or less a re-design of the original set: -two different Ewoks -one Stormtrooper -one Scouttrooper -one speederbike but even some new contents (since The Battle of Endor was firstly released last year - so they can not include all the same stuff): maybe -a tree -Endor Luke I very supposably will get this set since I want to elaborate my Endor diorama. Millenium Falcon: Supposably it'll be more or less a re-design of the last version - but hopefully this time in episode 6 "style" with General Lando, Nien Numb and a Rebel Technican. And I really hope that it this time will include a more authentic interior. If it includes no new minifigs, I for sure won't buy it. If it includes new minifigs, I might buy it (depending on what else it'll include and the quality of its exterior but mainly interior design). @ commanderneyo: Can you please ask Jordan if he is that nice to give us some information (or even better a picture) of the Ewok Attack set and the MF? That would be nice. Thanks. A new Falcon, a new Slave 1, a new Han Solo carbonite mold... If only there was a place where all three of these things meet! Come on TLG, don't let me down... I completely agree with you, StoutFiles! I'd say that every OT fan here does want to get a new, better, bigger, more decent and with more and new minifigs included Cloud City! And TLG knows that. But since there'll be that huge CW set out next year (which I bet will be released in spring (like the AT-OT & Dropship), either we'll get the Cloud City firstly in 2012 or we will at least have to wait til summer. The thing which is for me now clear is that (because of we'll get a second big OT set - the MF - and a huge exclusive System scale CW set) if there's a Cloud City in 2011, it'll be far away from the size of 10188. So I'm very sceptical whether it so really would be getting the set we all wish or only a JFOL oriented small playset which is nearly only a rerelease of the previous Cloud City. Klaus-Dieter Quote
commanderneyo Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 (edited) Woops I thought you were asking for information and pictures of all the sets, didn't read the post right. What Greg Hyland said about a UCS Lobot got me thinking now, what if the new MF is UCS and includes Lobot Edited November 23, 2010 by commanderneyo Quote
Brickdoctor Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Woops I thought you were asking for information and pictures of all the sets, didn't read the post right. What Greg Hyland said about a UCS Lobot got me thinking now, what if the new MF is UCS and includes Lobot UCS MF- now why does that sound familair? Quote
afosl Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 I believe you actually want it to be a midi set, but for the last time - 140$ is the price of the Venator, of the Tantive IV, and it was also the ISD's price. There has never been a midi set this big and I very much doubt it ever will, as the midi sets seem to be selling pretty bad. I never said the Venator was a good deal (it it, though), it's just an example why the Frigate will be minifig scale. You're focusing too much on price convertion into pound, while the only important price is the dollar one. If a set costs 150 dollars, it might cost 150 pounds as well (yes, unfair, but true), but the decisions are made by TLG based on the dollar prices. You're arguing exactly the wrong way here ("If the Frigate makes it to £100 in the UK, you can bet it will have a very similar figure in the States.") SO yeah, you have to convert the prices yourself based on experience. BTW, you're talking about a medical bay here - I keep telling everybody that the vehicle with the official name "Republic Frigate" is this ship. The Pelta class frigate would be called "Medical Frigate" and would also be a very poor set as it is boring in design and in functionality, the latter of which still is an important point for children. Who wants to play hospital in a warship? Another reason why this is no midi set: the midis so far were iconic, well-known ships from the original trilogy. Everybody who knows Star Wars knows the Falcon and the general looks of the ISD. The frigate is a TCW invention. So the customers who would buy a midi frigate are a)TCW fans who are b)interested in design instead of playability. a) is mostly kids, b) is mostly AFOLs. It would be one stupid set. I think we have our lines crossed. I'm not talking about the ships you mentioned from TCW. I'm thinking along the lines of the Nebulon B Escort Frigate from the OT:wub:. And at the speculative price point, I don't see that making a good minifig scale set. Nor do I see it's med bay as a good play set, as I keep saying. Three minifigures in a small room? No thanks. It's an odd ship. As a large Midi scale set I can see it working. Plenty of external detail and greebling opportunity. The ship you linked to has already been done as the Republic Cruiser from Episode 1, and yes, it worked very well. If that is the ship Lego are thinking of making, it will be a rehash of the Cruiser, albeit with a different colour scheme. Of course I'm thinking about the pound. I'm British. And as rule, Lego in America, no matter how bad it might be for Americans, seems a lot cheaper to us. If we could buy through Lego from the US website, we would and save ourselves a fortune! Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 What Greg Hyland said about a UCS Lobot got me thinking now, what if the new MF is UCS and includes Lobot Well, there's always the possibility to throw in for the according scene or vehicle unfitting minifigs only for that people get to buy the set - and TLG already did so in the past. So it's even not excluded that TLG will include a fleesh Lobot minifigure in the MF. And again about Cloud City: Like already mentioned, if we get one in 2011, I bet it'll be "only" 150-250 Euros. I really wouldn't have something against this price - this would already be expensive enough. But I fear and bet that in this price range we couldn't get a new Cloud City that would satisfy our not that undemanding wishes (for more and seperated rooms and some new minifigs). Klaus-Dieter Quote
BearHeart Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the Ewok set. Quote
prateek Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Cool. I'm guessing the MF will be bigger than the old ones, but smaller than the UCS. Quote
Ai841 Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Does nobody read my posts? It's a Y-wing, not an X-wing and Anakin didn't fly the red one at the Battle of Malastare; it was the two named figs we're getting: Goji and Rod. As for the yellow clone being Jet, didn't you confirm, commanderneyo, that it was an original clone commander? How much of a Star Wars fan is Jordan? Shouldn't he be able to give you accurate details? I meant Y wing, obviously, because since when has there been an X wing with Anakin. I did read your post, I was just not sure who was right, you or the other poster. Besides, it's more the second Y wing I object to than the pilot. Quote
StoutFiles Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Well, there's always the possibility to throw in for the according scene or vehicle unfitting minifigs only for that people get to buy the set - and TLG already did so in the past. So it's even not excluded that TLG will include a fleesh Lobot minifigure in the MF. And again about Cloud City: Like already mentioned, if we get one in 2011, I bet it'll be "only" 150-250 Euros. I really wouldn't have something against this price - this would already be expensive enough. But I fear and bet that in this price range we couldn't get a new Cloud City that would satisfy our not that undemanding wishes (for more and seperated rooms and some new minifigs). Klaus-Dieter I can finally reenact that famous scene from Return of the Jedi where Lobot pilots the Falcon into the Death Star! Hooray! If Cloud City was a remake of the previous set and in the 150-200 range, it will ultimately be a failure. They need to shoot for UCS Death Star pricing so that we can have all the rooms, dividers between them, and around 20 minifigs. A huge bonus if it is designed like the Death Star and contains the overall shape of the city. If they're going to do it, they need to do it right...I don't want to have to wait another 8 years for them to try again. You mentioned earlier that Cloud City isn't likely because of a large CW set this year. As long as the UCS set for 2011 is up in the air, well, I say Cloud City remains on the table! Quote
The Legonater Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 Now that we have some confirmation on these sets, I'm willing to start getting excited. Though I'd rather pics than names- pics seem so much clear, unless it's April 1st. Quote
Fallenangel Posted November 23, 2010 Posted November 23, 2010 7956 Ewok Attack - $25 7957 Dathomir Speeder - $25 7959 Geonosian Starfighter - $30 7961 Sith Infiltrator - $65 7962 Anakin's and Sebulba's Podracers - $80 7964 Republic Frigate - $120 7965 Millennium Falcon - $250 Whoever called these sets uninspired are right. This really does look like an assortment of random vehicles and starships... Dathomir speeder... as much as I would like it if LEGO made a set based on The Courtship of Princess Leia (and as much as some AFOLS would love rancor molds) it sounds like another Neo-Clone Wars set. Bummer. I'm just hoping that the Ewok Attack isn't a Neo-Clone Wars set as well... and I'm afraid that the "Millennium Falcon" will turn out to be some Neo-Clone Wars version of the Stellar Envoy involving some random episode with Anakin and Ahsoka and some aliens... However, I think the podracer sets were a good idea (they're like Star Wars-style race cars) so I'm glad to see LEGO is getting into that again. I wonder if this means we'll get the rest of the Boonta Eve racers? (Mars Guo perhaps?) The Republic Frigate also sounds promising. Another Consular cruiser sounds good to me - I just hope they make it longer to make it look more like the studio model. Quote
brickbuilder Posted November 24, 2010 Posted November 24, 2010 I want Ben Quadrinaro's podracer! For some reason, I doubt that the millenium falcon is $250. It's probably $150. (which is $200 in Canada ) Quote
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