Delta 38 Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Seems to be 266 pieces> Previous advent calendars have contained 8-10 minifigures. I would love 10 new minifigs but I doubt that. I wonder if this will be OT, PT, CW or a mix? My gut feel is it will be a mix, because that is cheaper. If so, one clone and one droid are a given, probably 1 stormie too, leaving room for 5-7 name characters. Any guesses? Named characters? Hmm, I haven't thought of that. Now that there is an advent calendar, I have a feeling that there would be standard minifigs (droids, Clones, Stormtroopers etc.) and a small number of distinct characters, perhaps in exclusive versions. I think that it might be Clone Wars-themed, which I'm okay with. Quote
StoutFiles Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Named characters? Hmm, I haven't thought of that. Now that there is an advent calendar, I have a feeling that there would be standard minifigs (droids, Clones, Stormtroopers etc.) and a small number of distinct characters, perhaps in exclusive versions. I think that it might be Clone Wars-themed, which I'm okay with. I assume there will be a lot of ships in micro scale. About 8 minifigs and at least one new minifig to get everyone to purchase it. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I assume there will be a lot of ships in micro scale. About 8 minifigs and at least one new minifig to get everyone to purchase it. I agree. The City Advent Calendar from 2010 had a lot of minis. I suppose the new character would be CW, too. Maybe a higher-ranked clone. Castle 2010's exclusive fig was similarily high-ranked. (the Kingdoms Prince) Quote
legofan24 Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Are we gonna see the new sets at the toy fair? Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Are we gonna see the new sets at the toy fair? Yes. Hopefully that will also include the ones we haven't seen anything of (Hoth and Naboo Fighter), but there's no way to be sure. Almost certain we won't see the advent calendar, though. Quote
legofan24 Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Yes. Hopefully that will also include the ones we haven't seen anything of (Hoth and Naboo Fighter), but there's no way to be sure. Almost certain we won't see the advent calendar, though. thanks Quote
legolandia Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Named characters? Hmm, I haven't thought of that. Now that there is an advent calendar, I have a feeling that there would be standard minifigs (droids, Clones, Stormtroopers etc.) and a small number of distinct characters, perhaps in exclusive versions. I think that it might be Clone Wars-themed, which I'm okay with. Well hopefully we might get a surprise not-previously-released minifigure in the last window of the advent calendar. Quote
commdr_neyo Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Well hopefully we might get a surprise not-previously-released minifigure in the last window of the advent calendar. That's a great idea! I hope they go through with that.. Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Again about the Hoth Echo Base: So do you think that Han, Leia and Vader won't be included? About the SW Advent Calendar: Like it was already mentioned, I, too, bet that it'll mainly include mini-models of ships and around eight minifigs. I bet that all episodes and the CW will be included - for the simple reason: TLG in this way can get the most Lego SW fans for buying it (and not only OT, PT or CW fans). I imagine that - concerning the included minifigs - we'll mainly get unnamed characters (e. g. a Clonetrooper, a Stormtrooper, a Scouttrooper, a Battle Droid) and some new characters (for sure - otherwise many people won't get the advent calendar since unnamed minifigs are included in smaller sets anyway (BPs)). Btw: I fear that we won't see the Naboo Fighter and the Hoth Echo Base at the toy fairs. They are very supposably exclusive summer releases (like last year's AT-AT and that other set) - so we supposably and regrettably will firstly see pics of them in late spring. Do you think that - although we now know three OT sets for this year (MF, Ewok Attack and Hoth Echo Base) - there nevertheless will be an exclusive Cloud City set (for about 250 Euros/Dollars)? Klaus-Dieter Quote
Emperor Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Do you think that - although we now know three OT sets for this year (MF, Ewok Attack and Hoth Echo Base) - there nevertheless will be an exclusive Cloud City set (for about 250 Euros/Dollars)? Well, I hope it will be more expensive than 250 €/$, as the last exlusive set in that price range contained just 1700 pieces; to create a proper Cloud City which can match the Death Star you need at least 3000 pieces. I think it is very probable that we get this set, last years second UCS was quite disappointing, to me it looks like TLG wasn't able to finish the UCS Cloud City set in time so they had to come up with a replacement as soon as possilbe, therefore the Starfighter wasn't as good as UCS sets used to be(Imp Shuttle and DS were amazing, after all). The fact that the DS won't be produced so much longer makes it quite probable that TLG wants to replace the set with somethin equally awesome Quote
Delta 38 Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I assume there will be a lot of ships in micro scale. About 8 minifigs and at least one new minifig to get everyone to purchase it. Yeah, sounds about right. I'm not a collector of minis, though. It would be nice to have small segments of scenes like in most other advent calendars. Maybe a control panel of some sort, a speeder, an escape pod...? I don't know how advent calendars work, but it seems that every square makes a full minifig or small set. Maybe minis would be too hard to represent using this limit. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Again about the Hoth Echo Base: So do you think that Han, Leia and Vader won't be included? I think they will. They're too important to that scene not to be. Vader maybe can be dropped in favor of a pre-battle Echo Base, but not Han and Leia. Quote
commanderneyo Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Do you think that - although we now know three OT sets for this year (MF, Ewok Attack and Hoth Echo Base) - there nevertheless will be an exclusive Cloud City set (for about 250 Euros/Dollars)? I hope so. I feel that the OT Fans have got a bad deal so far this year (This is coming from a CW Fan) and I feel that too replace a Potential CW Set with a OT Set that would make all OT Fans Attracted to it (Cloud City would fit that bill) would make sure that OT Fans get a great set to look forward to. (I can't see The Millenium Falcon being a big Sold Out set as it just comes with the Regular OT Figs and most OT Fans I suspect already have a Millenium Falcon and those Figures so Cloud City would turn 2011 Into a Great Year for OT Fans) Quote
StoutFiles Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 I hope so. I feel that the OT Fans have got a bad deal so far this year (This is coming from a CW Fan) and I feel that too replace a Potential CW Set with a OT Set that would make all OT Fans Attracted to it (Cloud City would fit that bill) would make sure that OT Fans get a great set to look forward to. (I can't see The Millenium Falcon being a big Sold Out set as it just comes with the Regular OT Figs and most OT Fans I suspect already have a Millenium Falcon and those Figures so Cloud City would turn 2011 Into a Great Year for OT Fans) While even a rehash of the '03 Cloud City would be great, if they do this they need to go all out. They need a Cloud City model similar to the Death Star playset. Given all the signs (recently new Slave 1 and carbonite mold, new MF, and the Death Star looking like it'll disappear soon, this is the perfect time to make it happen. Quote
Mr. Elijah Timms Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Hard not to think TLG has thrown in the towel a bit regarding the OT fans. So many of the iconic sets have been made two or three times already, and all that's left is to fill in the blanks with what hasn't been done before rather than keep rehashing X-wing designs over and over again. On the other hand, the PT and CW stuff is fresh and continues to evolve with a market that is willing to gobble it all up-- when it's spelled out like that it's easy to see why TLG concentrates on all of the new, never-before-seen concepts of the Clone Wars. I expect OT sets to either totally revamp themselves into a full-fledged rehash lineup, or that they'll eventually settle in as a top dollar Exclusive line that plays up all of the enormous environments we've yet to see, like Mos Eisley, Cloud City, Ewok Village, Jabba's palace, etc. Quote
Klaus-Dieter Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Well, I completely agree with you that there are signs for that a CC will come out soon. And it's one of the big sets we're looking forward to for years now. But: 1. We already thought that there'll be a new CC last year - and then there wasn't one released. So this could be the same case this year. 2. If done decently, it would be in a price range about the System scale DS - so around 400 Euros. But counting all OT sets this year together, this turns already out into 25-30 (EA) + 150 (MF) + 100-150 (HEB) = 275-330 Euros/Dollars. Since TLG wants (to offer the opportunity that) all OT fans (can afford to) buy all OT sets in one year, I highly doubt that there'll be another OT set that will be more expensive than 260 Euros/Dollars. Consequently a new CC would this year be in the price range around 250 Euros. 3. In 2013, there's the anniversary for RotJ. So in 2013 a new Jabba's Palace, a Tusken Raider set with Bantha and an Ewok Village as a "middle-huge" Exclusive (150-260 Euros) are imo very likely (perhaps even a new Sail Barge). In 2012, it's very supposable that we'll get two Endor BPs. But what should be released in this year as Exclusive?! Imo a new CC in the size of the System scale DS would there be a great opportunity to connect the years 2011 and 2013. But of course I even might be wrong. The only thing I do know is that I really do not want again a that small, undecent and with that small number of (new) minifigures included new Cloud City like the previous version. Klaus-Dieter Edited January 19, 2011 by Klaus-Dieter Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Hard not to think TLG has thrown in the towel a bit regarding the OT fans. So many of the iconic sets have been made two or three times already, and all that's left is to fill in the blanks with what hasn't been done before rather than keep rehashing X-wing designs over and over again. On the other hand, the PT and CW stuff is fresh and continues to evolve with a market that is willing to gobble it all up-- when it's spelled out like that it's easy to see why TLG concentrates on all of the new, never-before-seen concepts of the Clone Wars. That's a valid point, the problem is that there are so many inaccuracies in the existing models. X-wing design has gone downhill since 1999. TLG apparently settled for the ugly, disproportionate model we see now and has reused it 3 times now. (and the first model wasn't all that great either) AT-AT design has also sunk below what it was in 2004, and iconic ships like the TIE/ln and Y-wing are in serious need of a remake. Anyways, back on topic. I definitely agree with all of Klaus-Dieter's points. I just hope TLG executes all those sets properly. Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Hard not to think TLG has thrown in the towel a bit regarding the OT fans. So many of the iconic sets have been made two or three times already, and all that's left is to fill in the blanks with what hasn't been done before rather than keep rehashing X-wing designs over and over again. On the other hand, the PT and CW stuff is fresh and continues to evolve with a market that is willing to gobble it all up-- when it's spelled out like that it's easy to see why TLG concentrates on all of the new, never-before-seen concepts of the Clone Wars. I expect OT sets to either totally revamp themselves into a full-fledged rehash lineup, or that they'll eventually settle in as a top dollar Exclusive line that plays up all of the enormous environments we've yet to see, like Mos Eisley, Cloud City, Ewok Village, Jabba's palace, etc. But if LEGO puts decent effort into redesigning their sets, they will essentially create new products of the Original Trilogy which will encourage fans of the Original Trilogy to keep buying LEGO sets. Put another way, rehashing should be encouraged. I know there are some people who don't see much sense in LEGO putting in effort to rethink and improve something they've already done but I think it does make a difference. I mean, look at how successful the 4502/6212 X-wing has been; it's probably not a coincidence that it bears little to no resemblance to its predecessors. The same could be said for the T-47 based on 4500 which LEGO feels no need to improve because it's selling so well. And 8017 and 7657 were two sets so radically different from their predecessors that I actually went and bought them (before realizing that they, like the X-wing and T-47 described above, actually felt worse than their predecessors). And these Neo-Clone Wars sets aren't even that great - for the most part they have poor parts-to-price ratios which can be attributed to excessively detailed minifigures and are themselves based on designs that typically lack aesthetic appeal. What's more, the Neo-Clone Wars hasn't been around long enough for people to really get a feel for the designs so LEGO in theory could just release something that very vaguely resembles a Nu-class shuttle and people would buy it and think it was fantastic because they themselves don't remember very well what the actual thing looked or felt like. (I know I don't.) If the Neo-Clone Wars had happened five years ago and LEGO released the same sets they've been releasing people would probably see significant flaws and poor design such as what's become evident in the '04 Original Trilogy sets (that everybody thought were amazing when they first saw them) and thus less people would buy them (though collectors would probably dish out $60+ for the minifigures anyway, but that's secondhand.) If done decently, it would be in a price range about the System scale DS - so around 400 Euros. But counting all OT sets this year together, this turns already out into 25-30 (EA) + 150 (MF) + 100-150 (HEB) = 275-330 Euros/Dollars. Since TLG wants (to offer the opportunity that) all OT fans (can afford to) buy all OT sets in one year, I highly doubt that there'll be another OT set that will be more expensive than 260 Euros/Dollars. Consequently a new CC would this year be in the price range around 250 Euros. Where are you getting this? And why doubt expensive sets? If it's iconic enough, wouldn't it justify the price? I feel that that's what's been happening with any LEGO Star Wars set in the $100+ range. I'm not complaining about the $400 price tag for 10188 - the Death Star is (or was at some point) a global icon, and the set itself brings nostalgic memories of old playsets... That's a valid point, the problem is that there are so many inaccuracies in the existing models. X-wing design has gone downhill since 1999. TLG apparently settled for the ugly, disproportionate model we see now and has reused it 3 times now. (and the first model wasn't all that great either) AT-AT design has also sunk below what it was in 2004, and iconic ships like the TIE/ln and Y-wing are in serious need of a remake. Anyways, back on topic. I definitely agree with all of Klaus-Dieter's points. I just hope TLG executes all those sets properly. And I think what Brickdoctor says reinforces my point above. (Not to mention the fact that the most distinctive in-film TIE variant, the TIE bomber, hasn't been re-released yet. It's not any less iconic than the TIE/In. The same could be said for Jabba's palace - and we all know Jabba's palace was at least in part an excuse to sell more Star Wars action figures.) Quote
Cad Bane Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I don't mean to be rude, fallenagel327, but not everyone shares your belief that the Clone Wars is stupid/worthless. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others wont. In fact there is probably a huge market for the Clone Wars right now, the kids (Lego's main buyers) watch the TV show weekly and are familiar with ships that appear often and love to build a model of them in Lego (presuming that these are the kid you like Lego and Star Wars of which there are plenty). The Clone Wars provides us and Lego with a seemingly endless stream of new ships with interesting and innovative designs. The new Clone Wars ships aren't worse then the current OT/PT sets that are currently coming out. Just because they're new ships, doesn't mean that they're bad because they haven't been redone into oblivion. They're made with the same advances in design that all current sets have. I know there are many OT fans who are annoyed that those sets are taking a back seat and I understand that, but the Clone Wars provides new material and opportunities for new designs, pieces, and minifigures (even if you hate the eyes, you've got to admit that the design and printing are getting better all the time). Sorry for the rant-like-thing, but this stuff annoys me. On another note, I am not familiar with the Advent Calendars (I don't celebrate Christmas), but I thought that every day you made only one item or figure. (correct me if I'm wrong) Also, if you know the average minifig and/or piece counts of previous calendars, we may be able to reasonably predict things for this one. For instance, is it smaller or lager in piece count? Or maybe it's average...I'm guessing there will be some exclusive figure. I wonder who/what it is. Lastly, as for these assumptions of new huge exclusives I think a Cloud City, Jabba's Sail Barge or Palace would be awesome. Though isn't there a possibility that it's either the Naboo fighter or the Hoth Echo base? For the Jabba's Sail Barge or Palace (as it's high time they remade one of these) I think one of the major faults of the previous Sail Barge was A. lack of space, and B. the hatch to below-decks lead to nowhere (didn't go through). It was also a bit small and Jabba was...well...kind of boringly blank. He needs a remodel or at least a reprint. Plus then we'd have an adequate father for awesome little Rotta the Hutt! Edited January 20, 2011 by Cad Bane Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 I don't mean to be rude, fallenagel327, but not everyone shares your belief that the Clone Wars is stupid/worthless. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others wont. In fact there is probably a huge market for the Clone Wars right now, the kids (Lego's main buyers) watch the TV show weekly and are familiar with ships that appear often and love to build a model of them in Lego (presuming that these are the kid you like Lego and Star Wars of which there are plenty). The Clone Wars provides us and Lego with a seemingly endless stream of new ships with interesting and innovative designs. The new Clone Wars ships aren't worse then the current OT/PT sets that are currently coming out. Just because they're new ships, doesn't mean that they're bad because they haven't been redone into oblivion. They're made with the same advances in design that all current sets have. I know there are many OT fans who are annoyed that those sets are taking a back seat and I understand that, but the Clone Wars provides new material and opportunities for new designs, pieces, and minifigures (even if you hate the eyes, you've got to admit that the design and printing are getting better all the time). Even as an OT fan, I have to partially side with Cad Bane here. CW is definitely the most popular SW theme right now, and there is no reason why TLG shouldn't cash in on that. And LEGO is targeted for kids, most of whom like CW. There's also the fact that TLG has to make what Lucas Licensing wants them to, and LL is not going to tell TLG not to make stuff from the series they're most heavily promoting. The strategy for both companies is evidently to make a ton of CW stuff so that the CW fans will buy it all up and toss in a couple OT sets to keep the OT fans happy. However, a few points: Firstly, CW sets are not making 'advances' in areas outside minifig design. Flick-fire missiles are a perfect example of a kid-targeted play feature that doesn't work all that well, has tainted classic ships, and can be considered a step backwards. Secondly, minifigures are not the only reason for sets. I'd be perfectly happy with a couple new classically-styled minifigs and better designed ships than a ton of minifigs that look like actin figures, will only be bought by fans of a theme that can still be considered pretty new and small in terms of the SW timeline compared to the saga, and are packaged with ships of declining quality. Yes, we don't want LEGO sets to be perfect, otherwise MOCing wouldn't exist, but there is a difference between just bad enough to encourage building and so bad that AFOLs pass right by them. If CW were better executed on Lucas Animation's and TLG's part, there would be a lot more AFOL CW fans. Not a ton, but more. Thirdly, we don't need every this or that ship to fly out of CW. We should be getting iconic ships, like the RGS, not something that's ugly and relatively unknown like the Dathomir speeder. And the cut down on supporting CW craft would increase the amount of past sets that TLG can refine and the amount of OT sets that can be made. And you know what? I don't think that many kids are going to watch CW and then clamor for a set like the Dathomir Speeder. I think they'd be happy with their heroes and their better-know ships. I really don't think that many people would be upset if TLG didn't make sets like the Dathomir Speeder. Just because it appears in CW doesn't immediately make it popular with the viewers and doesn't instantly create a huge demand for it. How much demand is there for, say, a Yavin IV base military speeder? It's ridden by heroes, and it's big enough to be a set. But how many requests do us OT fans have for a set of it? We'd much rather have the iconic ships in better forms. Anyways, rant off, let's get back on topic. Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Ok guys, There has been alot of chit-chat about OT Vs. CW. I'll make a topic for it in culture, and media. A well needed topic Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Ok guys, There has been alot of chit-chat about OT Vs. CW. I'll make a topic for it in culture, and media. A well needed topic It's about sets. I think that the Future Star Wars Sets is good enough. Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I don't mean to be rude, fallenagel327, but not everyone shares your belief that the Clone Wars is stupid/worthless. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others wont. In fact there is probably a huge market for the Clone Wars right now, the kids (Lego's main buyers) watch the TV show weekly and are familiar with ships that appear often and love to build a model of them in Lego (presuming that these are the kid you like Lego and Star Wars of which there are plenty). The Clone Wars provides us and Lego with a seemingly endless stream of new ships with interesting and innovative designs. The new Clone Wars ships aren't worse then the current OT/PT sets that are currently coming out. Just because they're new ships, doesn't mean that they're bad because they haven't been redone into oblivion. They're made with the same advances in design that all current sets have. I know there are many OT fans who are annoyed that those sets are taking a back seat and I understand that, but the Clone Wars provides new material and opportunities for new designs, pieces, and minifigures (even if you hate the eyes, you've got to admit that the design and printing are getting better all the time). First of all, I did not use the words “stupid” or “worthless” at all in my previous post. Second, I do not believe that the Clone Wars is worthless. Although the point can be made that the Clone Wars portrayed in the Republic comics and the ’03 animated series does little to portray the horrors implied in pre-Prequel lore, it is nonetheless a key part of the Star Wars canon and I am trying my best not to bash it. (Thanks to you all, I am becoming more and more accepting of the Prequels every day.) As I have stated many times, it is the Neo-Clone Wars with its excessive inconsistencies with the established canon and numerous instances of aesthetically displeasing starship designs (at least in my opinion) which I disapprove of. And I don’t feel that my disapproval of certain Neo-Clone Wars starships have anything to do with the Neo-Clone Wars itself (it’s really more the other way around); it’s purely personal preference. I honestly don’t like the MC80 Star Cruisers used in Jedi too much either simply because they have a smoother organic look which doesn’t really fit with the sharper designs of the Avenger, the Executor, or the Redemption. Don’t get me wrong, they’re great space opera designs; they just don’t seem to belong in the Star Wars galaxy in my opinion. Nowhere did I say that the lack of redesigns for Neo-Clone Wars sets made them inferior in quality to Original Trilogy sets. I wasn’t referring to people simply being familiar with the ships. Of course people are familiar with them! Would a kid growing up in the ‘90s not recognize a Megazord when he/she saw one? It's not just the eyes; these figures are getting ridiculously detailed. The printing on the new ARF minifigure makes the pilot from 7259 look like a 6-year-old's work. And all the bounty hunters from 7930 have leg printing. Why do such relatively insignificant characters have minifigure renditions with leg printing? Could it have something to do with the set having only 389 pieces? EDIT: However, a few points: Firstly, CW sets are not making 'advances' in areas outside minifig design. Flick-fire missiles are a perfect example of a kid-targeted play feature that doesn't work all that well, has tainted classic ships, and can be considered a step backwards. Secondly, minifigures are not the only reason for sets. I'd be perfectly happy with a couple new classically-styled minifigs and better designed ships than a ton of minifigs that look like actin figures, will only be bought by fans of a theme that can still be considered pretty new and small in terms of the SW timeline compared to the saga, and are packaged with ships of declining quality. Yes, we don't want LEGO sets to be perfect, otherwise MOCing wouldn't exist, but there is a difference between just bad enough to encourage building and so bad that AFOLs pass right by them. Agreed to both points. Edited January 20, 2011 by fallenangel327 Quote
TFGuy89 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I know we're supposed to stop this rant, but it really doesn't seem fair to drop this off without a proper resolution. Second, I do not believe that the Clone Wars is worthless... As I have stated many times, it is the Neo-Clone Wars with its excessive inconsistencies with the established canon and numerous instances of aesthetically displeasing starship designs (at least in my opinion) which I disapprove of. But that's exactly the point. Cad Bane was just pointing out that you unceasingly attack The Clone Wars, as in the animated 3D version out right now, and the one that you so often refer to as Neo-Clone Wars. It is all worthwhile to state your opinion, but to do so in such a disdainful and continuous way can be very grating on the TCW fan. For example, why must you continuously refer to it as Neo-Clone Wars? It has a proper distinguishable name, or you could simply refer to it as the current series. To continuously use Neo gives of a heavy sense of disdainful and snarky sarcasm that really can be avoided. Don't get me wrong, your opinion is very much respected. However at times it would be appreciated if you'd tone down your displeasure for the series so that in a way, other people's opinions are respected too. Eurobricks will altogether be a friendlier place for fans of all things Star Wars, continuity and aesthetic disagreements aside. EDIT: I did not see your new topic brickartist, thanks. It is much needed. Edited January 20, 2011 by TFGuy89 Quote
Aethersprite Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Please keep on topic, guys... I just noticed the Geonosian in the Geo Starfighter set is green. Weren't the Geos brown in CW? Quote
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