Peanuts Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 I like the possibility of smaller, more minimalistic mafia games, hosted by rather young hosts where mainly newbies and some people who didn't get into the current big mafia game can play. I think, such games with 8 to 15 players might be played quite fast and would allow more people to get hosting experience. I think that's what you meant, isn't it, def?
Brickdoctor Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I like the possibility of smaller, more minimalistic mafia games, hosted by rather young hosts where mainly newbies and some people who didn't get into the current big mafia game can play. I think, such games with 8 to 15 players might be played quite fast and would allow more people to get hosting experience. I think that's what you meant, isn't it, def? I'd love that. Been meaning to get into a mafia game for some time now, but every time a new one comes up, it mentions advanced something or others that I have no clue about, so I just end up following the game as a spectator.
Scouty Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 hosted by rather young hosts Hmmm, who do we know that is 10 years old?
Sandy Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I'd love that. Been meaning to get into a mafia game for some time now, but every time a new one comes up, it mentions advanced something or others that I have no clue about, so I just end up following the game as a spectator. You should keep an eye on this forum, because I have a hunch there's something suitable for you coming this way.
Shadows Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Perhaps if EB had some sort of Mafia Academy where people could sharpen their teeth on hosting fundamentals... That's just so crazy it might work!
Mrlegoninja Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 I'm not sure if to make a seperate topic, but I don't see why, as these kind of relate to each other. I hate when hosts of mafia/mystery hand-pick the roster. I understand when the host puts members that have hosted games that they've played in, but I thought that names were picked out of a hat. Of course it varies by host, but most of the time I see that all fellows and staff get picked, leaving newbies and others in the reserves. Surely a Moderator that has played in every single or most games can spare 1 single game for a new person to get experience. Thats just my thoughts; Many hosts are great and pick randomly. Others long for the perfect game and pick all staff and fellows.
def Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 I'm not sure if to make a seperate topic, but I don't see why, as these kind of relate to each other. I hate when hosts of mafia/mystery hand-pick the roster. I understand when the host puts members that have hosted games that they've played in, but I thought that names were picked out of a hat. Of course it varies by host, but most of the time I see that all fellows and staff get picked, leaving newbies and others in the reserves. Surely a Moderator that has played in every single or most games can spare 1 single game for a new person to get experience. Thats just my thoughts; Many hosts are great and pick randomly. Others long for the perfect game and pick all staff and fellows. You realize that you were not picked randomly for my game, right? I specifically left about four spots open for n00bs, and you got one. I addressed this attitude in the sign up thread at the end of it. I spent over two months preparing my game (MOCs, characters, design, story) and I took player selection seriously. I didn't select some players who I could easily tell were in high school by looking at their posts, and I did accept all the Fellows because A) I have a better knowledge of them and B) they put in a lot of time and effort into the game. Having a successful game was important to me, and picking names at random is not the way to do that. And again, not how you got picked.
Mrlegoninja Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 You realize that you were not picked randomly for my game, right? I specifically left about four spots open for n00bs, and you got one. I addressed this attitude in the sign up thread at the end of it. I spent over two months preparing my game (MOCs, characters, design, story) and I took player selection seriously. I didn't select some players who I could easily tell were in high school by looking at their posts, and I did accept all the Fellows because A) I have a better knowledge of them and B) they put in a lot of time and effort into the game. Having a successful game was important to me, and picking names at random is not the way to do that. And again, not how you got picked. I wasn't talking about your game. Its good that you let some members with no experience/little experience in. It is like myself saying that I am a count and since I have knowledge about counts I am only letting counts in. And what if a person that is not a fellow put as much time in? I myself didn't have enough time to read through all the postss as they were very confusing. Having a succesful game I understand, but selecting this person over that because "They are my friend" or "They're staff" is terrible in my opinion.
Sisco Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Okay, here I come as a mediator. This does happen sometimes. I understand though, the fellow just wants to have a fun and successful game. You (the limited experience mafia hopeful) have to wait for mafia games like Shadows' Blowout theme month games, or Zepher's Eurodina with a giant player number. I know I still don't have too much experience in Mafia games, but I have three Mafias under my belt and half a mystery. I've won one, Shadows' VotBD. Now, hosts are more likely to have me in their games. I was first reserve in def's asylum, and I was damn near subbed in a few times. I'm second reserve in JimButcher's slut Mafia now. I'm pretty sure I'll make it into the next one. So you've just got to keep trying to get in. Don't always expect to get in. EDIT: Pay no attention to Jimbee's "Slut" mafia, I'm sure that's Hinckley playing with the word filter. Edited February 2, 2011 by cralegoboy
Mrlegoninja Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) But I'm still annoyed about people that get into every game. White fang even said he's played every single game since 2008! Thats a lots of games. Does he need to play more or can he miss one once? Also, look at the reserves of Jim's slut mafia. No fellows or staff! Mainly knights, citizens and counts. Had a fellow been in there, I would of seen that people do get chances. Maybe I should be good and be promoted to fellow. I''d probably get into every single game. Edited February 2, 2011 by Mrlegoninja
Sisco Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Well, I suppose that crying about it isn't going to help much, is it? My advice to you is to just keep signing up. You'll get in eventually.
def Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I wasn't talking about your game. Its good that you let some members with no experience/little experience in. It is like myself saying that I am a count and since I have knowledge about counts I am only letting counts in. And what if a person that is not a fellow put as much time in? I myself didn't have enough time to read through all the postss as they were very confusing. Having a succesful game I understand, but selecting this person over that because "They are my friend" or "They're staff" is terrible in my opinion. All the same, I was directly addressing your point. You weren't talking about my game because I gave you a position I think people are given chances, and Eurodina was a great example, 42 players. I specifically didn't choose some players who got a chance and wasted it in that game. Maybe a few games down the road, they'll get a chance again. As for letting in Fellows and friends... Really, I feel the exact opposite of you. I spent a long time organizing my game. I have the choice of giving lots of new people I don't know a chance (and I'd never heard of you before this game, sorry) or going with members I got along with and have a good track record. It's a no-brainer answer for me, and in order to have the best possible experience for all, I prefer experienced players. You played fine, and I'm sure you'll get a chance again, but saying it should be done randomly? That's just crazy talk. Regardless, in the future, I think this issue will be addressed more clearly in the future to tackle the issue of EB's ever increasing number of people wanting to play.
WhiteFang Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I'm not sure if to make a seperate topic, but I don't see why, as these kind of relate to each other. I hate when hosts of mafia/mystery hand-pick the roster. I understand when the host puts...... I have moved all related posts into this discussion. Please read through the earlier pages in this discussion. But I'm still annoyed about people that get into every game. White fang even said he's played every single game since 2008! Thats a lots of games. Does he need to play more or can he miss one once? There are a few past games which I have not participated though, but that's beside the point. It takes a lot of dedication, commintment and time to show your support for the host by participating in these. So, it's more of a 2 sides to it.
Dragonator Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I should add that some of the people who get picked to play time and time again are those that contribute massively to the site in other areas and deserve a bit of relaxation every now and then. It may be tough, but ultimately, the host is the one putting in all the effort, and it is thus that person's right to decide who plays in their game. I encourage all hosts to accept a couple of new players every time, but ultimately, it is their decision. Don't read too much into it, we have so many great people who want to play in these games, but we have limited spaces available unfortunately. All hope is not lost however, as you will all find out at the conclusion of JimButcher's game. Let's just say that if you haven't played in an EB game before, then you will want to be around then.
Hinckley Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 But I'm still annoyed about people that get into every game. White fang even said he's played every single game since 2008! Thats a lots of games. Does he need to play more or can he miss one once? Also, look at the reserves of Jim's slut mafia. No fellows or staff! Mainly knights, citizens and counts. Had a fellow been in there, I would of seen that people do get chances. Maybe I should be good and be promoted to fellow. I''d probably get into every single game. It's a good question to ask. I, personally, pick people I know will play. When you randomly select, you get a bunch of people who shouldn't play and sometimes ruin game play by not knowing what they're doing. After playing with you, I trust you to play and understand and take it seriously. I had a player once post his role (which was a traitor, meaning he had to vote with the scum although he was town aligned) in the discussion thread and ask what it meant. I've had people join a game and never post. It becomes about wanting it to run well when you put that much work into it and random selection doesn't work. We're working on a way for more people to play. I'm sorry you weren't selected here. You will be selected again in the future. Just be patient. And yes, we've had staff take breaks from mafia to give other people a chance. But don't be bitter. Just accept that there are some things that you can't control and be patient. We'll get you back into the mafia scene. Unless you keep throwing s at us. Have fun, man. Another opportunity will be up soon.
Mrlegoninja Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Ah, I'll see that. I guess I got a bit impatient. Oh well. Now to get back in my shell and crawl back to the town forum.
RvB Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 A star wars mafia where they're at a base and a Jedi is murdered and they have to find who killed him could be a bounty hunter or a clone or even another Jedi
Hinckley Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 A star wars mafia where they're at a base and a Jedi is murdered and they have to find who killed him could be a bounty hunter or a clone or even another Jedi This is a sentence fragment, and yet somehow a run-on and there is no punctuation. Read the Site Guidelines and follow them please. Thank you
JimBee Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Also, look at the reserves of Jim's slut mafia. No fellows or staff! Mainly knights, citizens and counts. Had a fellow been in there, I would of seen that people do get chances. Yes, I picked a few players of whom I am in close contact with. But for the most part, I picked good members and good players. I don't care if they're fellows, staff, or vassals. If they look like a good player to me, I'll pick them. And out of the mere two noobs, I picked one. And I picked several newer mafia players. Keep in mind, too, you didn't not get picked because of bad playing. You played fine in Asylum, there just wasn't enough room for everyone. Rank doesn't matter at all. Continue posting well and signing up for mafia games and you'll definitely get in.
Alopex Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) I hate when hosts of mafia/mystery hand-pick the roster. I understand when the host puts members that have hosted games that they've played in, but I thought that names were picked out of a hat. Of course it varies by host, but most of the time I see that all fellows and staff get picked, leaving newbies and others in the reserves. I know this dispute has been ended but never mind... I understand this problem and I see that Mods and fellows usually get in but that has a reason. A number of respected, experienced members and a few newbies are playing the game. Yes of course the new ones won't be in the centre of the game, but watching the experienced players game they will get to know the rules better, and if they learn them quickly, they will be let to play in the next game, get better there, and so on... I'm a newbie in Werewolf Mafia surrounded by veterans and I already feel that I'm getting to know the game better. And anyway it's just a game not your life... Angela Fairfax a very proper and un-slutty lady. Edited February 2, 2011 by Alopex
sok117 Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I have to just add in my two cents here I remember when I first signed up for a mafia game, it was imperial soldiers mafia and I didn't get in but I followed it and then signed up for Dystopia and would you know I got in, and I played, and I had fun, and then you just keep signing up and when the hosts know your a comitted player and add to the gam making it an enjoyable experience for everyone, they come back to you, but when there arnt enough spots for everyone, well they have to cut a few, but they still have to make room for newbies to be fair, and they have to enclude the experienced vets on the mafia scene because of how much time and effort they put into maintaining the forum which is also fair, and you already know they will be good players which is a plus on top of that, and on top of all that it is still the hosts say as to who he wants in his mafia to make it an enjoyable experience and a good reward for the effort they put in, which I say is also fair. By all means I think you did a good job in the Asylum, but you gotta respect other players and there own chances at mafia games, so just sign up for the next one, and the next one and the next one, and before you know it you'll be sick of these games
Eskallon Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 I wasn't talking about your game. Its good that you let some members with no experience/little experience in. It is like myself saying that I am a count and since I have knowledge about counts I am only letting counts in. And what if a person that is not a fellow put as much time in? I myself didn't have enough time to read through all the postss as they were very confusing. Having a succesful game I understand, but selecting this person over that because "They are my friend" or "They're staff" is terrible in my opinion Well think of it this way, someone who has been constantly friendly and is one of your best mates in life has been wanting to play in your game, they don't get picked randomly so you slot them in. This may be unfair but then it is also how it works in the online games here. The more you put in the forum, like the moderators, the more you get out. So the mods do so much here so as a small reward if they want to play they will get to. However newer members are still picked, I didnt get picked at first but still watched and now I think myself as an experienced player. However I still didn't get into the asylum. Just take it on the chin and say to yourself "next time". Also if you really want to improve your chances, keep watching the game and comment on it in the discussion threads, make it known to people that you are ready and Im sure you will be picked.
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