W.I.P. Light Frigate (still without a name)

[brickmack]

Nice. Looks like you've made a lot of progress. I like the sloped sides alot. Also the arches inside look good. Needs a bit more color though I think.

[Matteo1130]

i just wanted to share a quick shot.

here you can see the folded sides (i don't know if i shared a pic like this before).

discussing abaut the color of the line on the upper side: in this picture i've made a part of it in a mix of colors. actually i don't like the standard red finish. the tan gunline reminds me of a ship who has been on the seas for a long while, so do the dark red gunports; but i don't think the same abaut a bright red line. i don't have any blue brick so i used a flag, i think blue probably looks better.

thanks to all of you for compliments and to admiral croissant, who i'm considering an important help in this project :)

[Captain Green Hair]

I'd go with a dark red finishing line!

[Admiral Croissant]

I'd go with a dark red finishing line!

I agree. And perhaps change the green/yellow lanterns for orange ones.

Normal yellow ones are quite rare and the ones you use look a little bit too modern.

[Matteo1130]

you're probably right, i'll see what i can do, but i wanted to use some #3700 brick to hold #3742 parts as a finish. unfortunatly #3700 (1x2 technic brick with hole) in dark red is too rare...

[Matteo1130]

Hi all.

i've made another little step for this MOC and i was on to add some pic, but reading at some other post in this forum i decided not to do that.

in this MOC i've used techniques from many of other builders and i'm looking to "copy" other parts so, i don't think i could give the right credits to everyone (because i don't know every post...) and i won't to worry anyone.

to admins: please close this thread.

to all: i'll be glad to continue comment post on this forum and make suggestions when asked :)

[Admiral Croissant]

Hi all.

i've made another little step for this MOC and i was on to add some pic, but reading at some other post in this forum i decided not to do that.

in this MOC i've used techniques from many of other builders and i'm looking to "copy" other parts so, i don't think i could give the right credits to everyone (because i don't know every post...) and i won't to worry anyone.

to admins: please close this thread.

to all: i'll be glad to continue comment post on this forum and make suggestions when asked :)

No! Keep this thread alive! I think one of the most important things about this forum is to share techniques and improve MOCs.

You don't have to name every single technique and give credit for it. If you know some members that gave you inspiration, you can name them.

I don't even think it's possible to name all the credit techniques of ships of this size. That's not a problem.

There just are some famous techniques (Greenhair's tumblehome, Perfectionist's headrails for example) that you can credit but you don't have to mention everything.

So please just post your update

[BrickPerfection]

Hi all.

i've made another little step for this MOC and i was on to add some pic, but reading at some other post in this forum i decided not to do that.

in this MOC i've used techniques from many of other builders and i'm looking to "copy" other parts so, i don't think i could give the right credits to everyone (because i don't know every post...) and i won't to worry anyone.

to admins: please close this thread.

to all: i'll be glad to continue comment post on this forum and make suggestions when asked :)

What have I done!

Maybe I've been a bit too harsh in that post, but you have to understand that it can sometimes be very frustrating when people simply claim other's achievements as their own. I've seen it many times and really feel like it should not be allowed to be continued in such wild forms.

However, the credit issue is a much debated one and there is no general opinion about it; and since I'm just an ordinary member I can only speak for myself here.

Also note that Nobody here would ever request a deep analysis of every single way to put bricks together used in a MOC . Just a simple sentence "I found inspiration here and really like the technique I saw on this ship" would be absolutely sufficient.

And by the way, there is no policy on this forum concerning credit, which means it's still very rude not to give any, but there is also no obligation whatsoever.

So please do not hold back pictures any longer! Show us what you've done because this ship is a really interesting one; there are not many of its kind around here and I'm personally really curious about your progress!

[Matteo1130]

i'm agree with perfectionist (in some way) and my idea was to protect other users to me (and my using their ideas). for example i think i'm the first using this technique for the sides (folding down) and i'm thinking in good faith that's a my idea, but i can't be sure to offend anyone.

by the way i'm planning to copy the CGH's lanterns and the small brickbuilt cannons for the upper bridge, or the stove from the perfectionist's achilles; and most of the ideas on this ship comes from admiral croissant.

So: before going on with this project i'd like to say "thanks" to all the builders who helped me and "sorry" to th eother builders i've copied without giving some sort of credit.

i'm uploading the images and soon i'll be glad to share my (very poor this time) progresses.

[Matteo1130]

as i said the progress this time are very poor. for every order on bricklin k i made i have to wait about 3 weeks for the shipping because of the F@#*§ shame of italian mail system..

i've just added the suppurt for the cat's tails, the upper sides ah suggested by admiral croissant (in black colour) and reduced a bit the lenght of the figurehead support.

now i have to ask (as usual) some help. i'm in the mood to rise a plate the new black gunline, to make ah handrail in tan colour, interrupted next to the stairs on the sides and make for each part an handknob similar to the inner stairs. i don't know if it will be black as the gunline, tan (so there will be a thin tan line between the yellow tiles and the black bricks) or dark red to recall the gunports on the main gundeck.

stairs on the sides: i don'l like the way they looks with the 1 x 2 tiles with handle so i'm planning to make stairs with reddish brown fences (1x4x2) as i've seen on other ships (i can't recall where..).

upper black gunline: does it feel realistic? (not "scaled" or "real"... just realistic) or is it better to enlarge the part without the black line? even if by this way i'l reduce the number of guns..

of corse the "colored" support for the rigging will be black and will be finished by a technic brick and a tile.

the next step will be the finishing of the bow, using swivel plates i'll complete the black line, rising 1 or 2 plates in the front part, starting by the last yellow tile already placed... for the headrails i'm still searching an idea for using soft axles..i'll see..

thanks for reading

[Admiral Croissant]

Looks great again What I would change is the brown line in the railings (where the supports are attached to) into another colour.

I'd make it perhaps black, dark red, dark brown or something like that. At least a colour that's different than the decks.

And what are the gaps in the railings for? Are they for firing under protection?

Outside of that you're on your way of making a great frigate so keep it up

(And I don't see any problem in raising the black gunline with one plate)

[Matteo1130]

this is how it looks after the rising..

if i've understood well you're suggesting about changing in black the slopes and the two plates under those.. i don't know if this is possible beacuse the two plates are part of the upper deck/lower roof, but i'll try to figure something. if i can't change that colour maybe i could change in reddish brown the black line.

but i can't understand wich gaps are you talking about :(

maybe i have misunderstood: are you talking about changing the colour of the handrail on the stairs from tan/brown to yellow/black? it could be a great idea..

and the gaps.. if you mean the holes in the black line: they will hold a line of little cannons :) at last there will be 44 guns in completely playable minifig scale

another edit: minifig ILLUSION scale (sorry

Edited March 13, 2011 by Matteo1130

[Captain Becker]

Admiral is meaning about these holes.

What i can say at the ship, is at its looking really goos so far. I like the colours and the shape so far, i would change the 2x4 plate in the middle of the hull into tiles if possible. Keep it up

Captain Becker

Edited March 13, 2011 by Captain Becker

[Matteo1130]

uhm... 2 x 4 plates.. up and down the tan line? i was planning about placing tiles with clips to sustain a ladder or a couple fences (as a ladder as well).

but now i'm running low on bricks and i'm not in the mood of destroying my star wars collection to complete the ship ;)

Edited March 13, 2011 by Matteo1130

[BrickPerfection]

Well, I guess that's quite an enormous monster frigate you're building here! I mean 7 mids and 26 guns on the gundeck is quite huge for a ship on prefabs, so the term "light frigate" is a bit misleading.

Your ship is looking quite good so far! Maybe the gunports are too high; at least they are very high even considering the unusual length of your ship, hence I would try lowering them by at least two bricks.

I also agree with the Admiral that the reddish brown railing on the topdeck doesn't really look that great. Historically it would have been all black for a ship with the Nelson checker pattern. Maybe making the reddish brown parts black and lowering the lower yellow line would be an improvement. There's also no reason for using slopes there as on the topdeck there would not be much of a tumblehome. The gunports on the topdeck are also looking rather small. Are you planning to use MOC cannons there? I guess that would be the best solution!

The technique you are using for lifting up the sides and making the interior accessible is very interesting indeed. I'm also planning to make the sides modular on a current project, but not by using your technique, so no worries!

[Matteo1130]

thanks perfectionist, as usual you made a lot of fine advices.

i think i'll try first to change the reddish brown line into a completely black one, and see if the illusion helps me without lowering.. wich means a complete reconstruction and denies me to make my opening sides.. :/

can't wait to try and post some pic.

for the techniques: no worry, i was only scared about "steal" techniques and not to share those, so i'll be glad (or proud) id someone uses my ideas :)

[Matteo1130]

all right, i've successfully modified the upper bridge and i'm waiting for the black parts to complete the line. i've also lowered 1 plate the sides, and the illusion works great, thanks for all the tips (soon more pics).

@admins: how could i change topic title to "WIP heavy frigate (still without a name)"?

[Matteo1130]

here again, i'm on my way for finishing the bow..

all the sides are almost done and the shape and colour scheme has heavily changed into admiral croissant's and perfectionist's tips.

the question is: wich details should i improve for making a realistic bow? the headrails could be done in a single heavy bow for each side of the ship?

[Captain Becker]

There are so many posibillitys to make it. Take a look Perfectionist ship for example, and also CGH`s tecnique is also very good way to make the bow. If you mean what decorations you should put on the bow also than the headrails, its pretty much up to you. You can put small toilets over there if possilble. But take a look at historical ship index made by Perfectionist if it helps a bit, also the ship index is also helpful sometimes. Im waiting for more pictures.

Captain Becker

[Matteo1130]

There are so many posibillitys to make it. Take a look Perfectionist ship for example, and also CGH`s tecnique is also very good way to make the bow. If you mean what decorations you should put on the bow also than the headrails, its pretty much up to you. You can put small toilets over there if possilble. But take a look at historical ship index made by Perfectionist if it helps a bit, also the ship index is also helpful sometimes. Im waiting for more pictures.

Captain Becker

i was planing to place toilets, but i don't know the exact position...

there'll be a stair to the upper bridge. for headrails i would like to try a new technique.

[Captain Becker]

i was planing to place toilets, but i don't know the exact position...

there'll be a stair to the upper bridge. for headrails i would like to try a new technique.

Again theres some great pictures in the indexes, and for the headrails there isnt actually anything new technique wich you could use. ZCerberus tryed to make them 1x1 pearl golden bricks, but the problem is the lack of flexibility. I would go whit the good old tecnniques.

Captain Becker

[Matteo1130]

just to make you know: i'm still bricking ;)

the new colour scheme

the shape...i'm VERY proud of this shape, an incredible curve on a minifig illusion scale

there'll be a little surprise to you once i've get the bricks, the headrails will be completely brickbuilt, and with an all new technique!

[Aalak]

just to make you know: i'm still bricking ;)

the new colour scheme

I really like it. The red line defenitly works better than the double yellow one! even so, I would remove one line of black bricks under the red line, but I guess that's impossible because of the way you build the interrior with the half arc bricks. It's defenitly great. That's the way my Ares would have looked like,if i haven't bought a lot of yellow plates on bricklink. I love your color design overall!

But one question, is it a normal red or dark red?

The Clipper in the back is a bit outgunned and dwarved

I'm really curious about your full-bricks-headrails. Don't keep us waiting to long

[Matteo1130]

the line is in dark red, ti recall the gunports. i don't know why but the ship seems shorter in the pictures :( IRL she looks different..

about the black brick line..it's impossible to remove that, but i'm on the way to change the sides again: the number of guns on the upper deck will be decreased, the stairs will slide one gunport forwarsds and there'll be a brickbuilt fence to make sides "ligheter".

about headrails i'm afraid i'll meake you wait a long. every kind of shipping is very slow in here.

i'll try to make some project in LDD to share with you :)

p.s. the caribbean clipper is not original and will be heavily changed into a frigate once i've finished this ship. i also have 3 small bow 3 small stern and 5 small mid sections, i'll se what i can do with those pieces ;)

[Admiral Croissant]

Good to know you're still bricking I agree with Aalak that the red looks better than the yellow line.

I don't have much to complain about. Perhaps the curve in the front is a bit too much.

As you can see here, there's almost no curve at all in the front half of the ship. But perhaps I'm just nitpicking

And those holes on the main deck, are they gunports? Or just for letting the water run away? For gunports the shape is a bit strange IMO.

Nevertheless it's becoming a very good frigate. Well done so far