Eurodina - Day 6

[The Legonater]

Bah, what a mess. This time I should have these filed and examined in no time, though.

The last few leads we've had have been good, and Stash seems to be a prime suspect for the mob, so I'm guessing he's right about this one. Of course, the more evidence the better, but if nothing else, we have this.

I am most curious to leanr what the mob wants so badly with the police force. Yes, they control the relative peace here, but they seem to be a prime target,and have dwindled to two. Chief, Sir Hollis, have you noticed anything?

[Sandy]

I still cannot think of a good reason why Stash would turn against me so. I will say it straight up: I am not a godfather (or godmother) of Ronzini family. I am a protector, and here are the people I've protected during this game.

Night 1: Shaun Dows (because of the last, crossed out rule), I informed him of this.

Night 2: Stash (because he was getting a big target on his back), I informed him of this as well.

Night 3: Stash again

Night 4: professor flitwick (because he's the mayor, and I thought he might have an important role), didn't inform him though

Night 5: inconspicuous (because he was shown in the photographs a few times), didn't get a chance to inform him before this charade began

If any of you have an ability that tells you you were targetted by me, will you please confirm that I did?

Hm.. In the past, such declaration has been proved true... I'm willing to follow you on this.

But those declarations weren't made by Stash, and he even doubted Walter Kovacs for exposing Mr. White yesterday. In fact, he's been far from helpful this far, outright neglecting to give out his information yesterday.

I seriously don't know what he's playing, but Stash has confirmed himself that he is neutral, so his allegiances could go either way - or his own way. I made the mistake of trusting him enough to protect him, but that obviously was a mistake.

Stash, you make me sick.

Worst case, I'm wrong and I get voted tomorrow.

No, the worst case is that the town will lose one of their protectors (if there indeed are more of us) because of your out-of-nowhere accusation. Again, you're neutral. The town will not lose anything with you - all we have is your word that you have all this information, yet you've so far refused to give out any of it aside from naming me as scum (which by itself proves your sources wrong).

People, shouldn't you at least wait over a night to investigate me and confirm that I'm speaking the truth? Please?

[Lord Arjay]

Although this is expected, it's tragic that two of us have been struck down n the night. Although it seems that we made the right choice in convicting Mr White yeterday. Anyway Stash has finally revealed to us his information after stalling for two days.

You have been protected by someone, haven't you?

This is correct, Stash was protected on the night that Mrs Quest claimed. So that means that if she is lying then someone will be able to come forward and reveal the truth.

*SNIP*

If this is true, why did you not protect Mr Kovacs last night? After outing both his night action and revealing a scum godfather he was surely more likely to be in danger than Ivan Cons. Also, we were shown clearly the people who were in that area last night - one targeted our Chief and the other apparently had other things to do, meaning they probably have a second night action- perhaps that was you? If not, why weren't you shown?!

I'm not sure who I believe right now, Mr Dows can at least confirm whether Sandy visited hm during the first night or not.

[Sandy]

If this is true, why did you not protect Mr Kovacs last night? After outing both his night action and revealing a scum godfather he was surely more likely to be in danger than Ivan Cons.

I didn't know if Walter Kovacs was telling the truth, frankly put. I voted with him, but protecting him when I wasn't sure if he was right or not just didn't feel like a good idea. I was going with my gut feelings, I guess. What can I say, I'm a woman after all.

Also, we were shown clearly the people who were in that area last night - one targeted our Chief and the other apparently had other things to do, meaning they probably have a second night action- perhaps that was you? If not, why weren't you shown?!

I don't know, I'm not the governor. Do you think that with over 30 people, everybody with a night action would be shown every night? I protected someone who obviously wasn't targeted by a killer this night, so why would it be shown?

[Sirius Black]

Well, I finally got a chance to get some sleep. Thanks Mr. Nader!

I'm glad to see that we've rid ourselves with a godfather at last. That should stop those vile scum from infecting more of us. It's always sad to lose some innocent townies, but let's not mourn them too long or we'll waste time. Constant vigilance!

An interesting declaration. So far, both of the bold accusations like this one have turned out for the better. I'm willing to follow you on this, if you're so certain. But I know what I'll be doing if you're wrong.

This is an interesting statement, especially if you were indeed protected by the accused. If she did indeed protect you, why would you go against her. Or did she protect you? Could you shed some light on this?

Great snooping Walter! Its really great we got rid of a big influence like Mr. White. These mob bosses control a lot of what happens over night and its great to see one gone.

Im going to go with Stash on this one. He really seems sure and knows the consequences if he's wrong, but it seems like he's telling the truth. She says that shes helped convict both mafia players but a lot of us have. Its hard to say we shouldnt vote for her just because she has voted them off. It sounds ludicrous. The convictions we have gotten havent been the most straight forward. The person presenting them has been slightly uncertain but known what will happen if they're wrong.

I dont know who to believe on this. If we do vote, and Stash is wrong, he signs his death sentence. The question is, if he is neutral, why would he seal his fate by making a statement with no middle ground? While Stash has acted suspiciously in the past, this would seal his fate if we voted off a townie on his word. It doesn't add up. This makes me think that a vote is nessecary.

Hmm, unlike the previous bold accusations, this one has not been backed up with any evidence at all. It is literally just an accusation.

On the other side of things, yes, Sandy did vote against Carrie Price. But their were already enough votes to convict (not enough to end the voting, though), and it was pretty clear at that point that Carrie was getting voted out no matter what. Sorry Sandy, but I am trying to be fair here. Oh, and Frank would have been in a rival mob, so voting against him is a no-brainer. That, and it was another runaway vote.

At this point, with no solid evidence, I can't cast a vote anywhere. Either Stash provides something more than "She did it" or I keep my vote to myself.

True. Stash does need to bring forward some verification of his source's authenticity, as that would be a significant factor.

I still cannot think of a good reason why Stash would turn against me so. I will say it straight up: I am not a godfather (or godmother) of Ronzini family. I am a protector, and here are the people I've protected during this game.

Night 1: Shaun Dows (because of the last, crossed out rule), I informed him of this.

Night 2: Stash (because he was getting a big target on his back), I informed him of this as well.

Night 3: Stash again

Night 4: professor flitwick (because he's the mayor, and I thought he might have an important role), didn't inform him though

Night 5: inconspicuous (because he was shown in the photographs a few times), didn't get a chance to inform him before this charade began

If any of you have an ability that tells you you were targetted by me, will you please confirm that I did?

But those declarations weren't made by Stash, and he even doubted Walter Kovacs for exposing Mr. White yesterday. In fact, he's been far from helpful this far, outright neglecting to give out his information yesterday.

I seriously don't know what he's playing, but Stash has confirmed himself that he is neutral, so his allegiances could go either way - or his own way. I made the mistake of trusting him enough to protect him, but that obviously was a mistake.

Stash, you make me sick.

No, the worst case is that the town will lose one of their protectors (if there indeed are more of us) because of your out-of-nowhere accusation. Again, you're neutral. The town will not lose anything with you - all we have is your word that you have all this information, yet you've so far refused to give out any of it aside from naming me as scum (which by itself proves your sources wrong).

People, shouldn't you at least wait over a night to investigate me and confirm that I'm speaking the truth? Please?

These are also fair points. This leaves us in a bit of a pickle here. The last two claims were proven to be true, and it would seem strange for Stash to remove all chance of his winning to get rid of a protector. I for one would like more verification before i vote, but history shows that these kind of votes have been successful over the last 5 days.

Susan

[Peanuts]

No, my son, my very dear son! Why did this evil mobsters killed of all those guys just my son? He didn´t do anything to anyone!

Mrs. Sandy Quest is BAD NEWS!!! She is the Godmother of the Ronzini Family! She needs to get voted off ASAP!

I´m tempted to go with you, just to get rid of all those scum, who has killed my son.

You make a big point here, once again someone bets his life for information.

Night 1: Shaun Dows (because of the last, crossed out rule), I informed him of this.

Night 2: Stash (because he was getting a big target on his back), I informed him of this as well.

Night 3: Stash again

Night 4: professor flitwick (because he's the mayor, and I thought he might have an important role), didn't inform him though

Night 5: inconspicuous (because he was shown in the photographs a few times), didn't get a chance to inform him before this charade began

I guess you wouldn´t tell us things like this, if you really wouldn´t have told them. But just for insurance, did she really tell you, Shaun and Stash?

And all I have for proof is what I know. No, I can't give you the details and reveal sources as of yet. If this one goes down, I have a few more to out also. You can take my word, or choose not to vote; your decision. Just remember, when the truth comes out, everyone is going to look back and see who didn't vote. Worst case, I'm wrong and I get voted tomorrow.

So...you have more names for us? But you won´t tell them until we know for sure you´re trustable, when Sandy turns out to be scum?

Why don´t you tell ´em now? I don´t want to make any assumptions, but it´s still possible, that you won´t survive the night. The town can´t protect everyone at the same time, I think, any protector will prefer to protect walter, while he´s a townie and you´re neutral. It´s better for you to give up any use for us and therefore any reason to kill you by revealing anything.

I can barely imagine any reason, why Stash should try to kill you like this. He won´t get outa this, if he lies to us.

I can see only four reason, which make really sence:

1) Stash´s right, Sandy´s the boss.

2) stash thinks he was right, Sandy isn´t the boss.

3) Stash was converted and is now part of a plot, made by an usurper, to get rid of the boss. Boths are scum.

4) Stash is a neutral, whose winning condition is to be unvoted till day 7. He tries it the decent way, now he´s panicing and tries to do things the hard way.

The two last ones on´t seem to be very usual, the second one is a bit fishy too. I´d go for the first one, if nothing happens.

[Admiral Ron]

4) Stash is a neutral, whose winning condition is to be unvoted till day 7. He tries it the decent way, now he´s panicing and tries to do things the hard way.

Why do you think Day 7? Is there something you aren't telling us?

[Peanuts]

Why do you think Day 7? Is there something you aren't telling us?

If we kill Sandy today, she died on day 6. Tomorrow we´ll know, he was lying, so we´ll kill him on day 7.

He didn´t do anything like that yet, so if this one is right, he tried to do something more subtil, but got afraid, he wouldn´t manage to get himself convicted on time, so he decided to frame sandy today and get killed tomorrow. Just thought this was clear.

In this case, he would also have chosen Sandy, because he needed someone who wouldn´t be scum to make sure that we´ll kill him, so he chose the one who told him, she could protect.

This is far fetched and I don´t think it´s true, it´s just one of the only four alternatives I could imagine.

[Admiral Ron]

This is far fetched and I don´t think it´s true, it´s just one of the only four alternatives I could imagine.

Imagining isn't going to help us defeat the scum in our town. We need facts and witnesses. We have testimony from both parties, but we are still waiting on witnesses to confirm/deny Sandy's alibi.

[Walter Kovacs]

4) Stash is a neutral, whose winning condition is to be unvoted till day 7. He tries it the decent way, now he´s panicing and tries to do things the hard way.

*sorry, forgot to comment*

But if his winning condition was merely to survive through Day 7, why wouldn't he just shut the F*** up. No one would target him, and he'd be free and clear. This makes no sense, Mr. Nutter. Grief must have clouded your thinking.

[Peanuts]

Imagining isn't going to help us defeat the scum in our town. We need facts and witnesses. We have testimony from both parties, but we are still waiting on witnesses to confirm/deny Sandy's alibi.

You´re right, of course. But I´m wondering what kind of alibi you mean. If you´re talking about Sandy´s claim, that she had told Shaun and Stash, they´re going to confirm. She wouldn´t tell stuff like this, if she wasn´t able to back it up.

*sorry, forgot to comment*

But if his winning condition was merely to survive through Day 7, why wouldn't he just shut the F*** up. No one would target him, and he'd be free and clear. This makes no sense, Mr. Nutter. Grief must have clouded your thinking.

Sorry, I wasn´t clear. By "unvoting" I meant voting off, sorry. So Stash would have to be convited by the town until day 7, not to survive.

But forget about this one. As Ron already said, it isn´t going to lead us anywhere at all.

[Admiral Ron]

You´re right, of course. But I´m wondering what kind of alibi you mean. If you´re talking about Sandy´s claim, that she had told Shaun and Stash, they´re going to confirm. She wouldn´t tell stuff like this, if she wasn´t able to back it up.

My apologies for not being clear. Someone (I forget who at this moment) said that she may be lying about who she protected, and is hoping might come forward with information to convict her.

[Sandy]

I can barely imagine any reason, why Stash should try to kill you like this. He won´t get outa this, if he lies to us.

I can see only four reason, which make really sence:

1) Stash´s right, Sandy´s the boss.

2) stash thinks he was right, Sandy isn´t the boss.

Well, I really can't understand Stash's motives for making me a target, but I believe Mr. Nutter's option number 2 is the correct scenario. Somebody has been lying to him and convinced him that I am a godfather - why else would he so publicly and adamantly state the case? So someone knew I'm the protector, and the only people I told before today were Shaun Dows and Stash. So maybe Stash has made a deal with the devil, and he doesn't even realize it himself?

I'm also eager to hear from Prof. Dows, since he alone can prove that I protected him on Night 1, when the godfathers made their first conversions, as far as we know. I couldn't have protected and converted at the same time, could've I? Or do some players have double night actions in this game of life?

Gah, and now I'm babbling. I'm just so confused as to why I'm suddenly being targetted like this.

[RoryoCox]

Gah, and now I'm babbling. I'm just so confused as to why I'm suddenly being targetted like this.

I too am confused about this. I need to here from Stash about why he has made this allegation before I jump to any conclusions. Maybe Stash was lied too and he is passing that info onto us. Or maybe he wants us too vote off innocents. Or maybe his info is right and you are scum.

I am not sure what is happening here but I will, as I said, not jump to any quick conclusions or blame anyone in the dark.

[Walter Kovacs]

Well, I really can't understand Stash's motives for making me a target, but I believe Mr. Nutter's option number 2 is the correct scenario. Somebody has been lying to him and convinced him that I am a godfather - why else would he so publicly and adamantly state the case? So someone knew I'm the protector, and the only people I told before today were Shaun Dows and Stash. So maybe Stash has made a deal with the devil, and he doesn't even realize it himself?

I'm also eager to hear from Prof. Dows, since he alone can prove that I protected him on Night 1, when the godfathers made their first conversions, as far as we know. I couldn't have protected and converted at the same time, could've I? Or do some players have double night actions in this game of life?

Gah, and now I'm babbling. I'm just so confused as to why I'm suddenly being targetted like this.

Shaun Dows is part of the Night Watch. He should know if you were protecting him on night 1. After all he did say this:

*snip* If we are targeted at night, we know who did it to us. *snip*

I'd consider protection a targetted action, wouldn't you?

I am curious to hear what he has to say. His testimony will sway my vote.

[Professor Flitwick]

Night 1: Shaun Dows (because of the last, crossed out rule), I informed him of this.

Night 2: Stash (because he was getting a big target on his back), I informed him of this as well.

Night 3: Stash again

Night 4: professor flitwick (because he's the mayor, and I thought he might have an important role), didn't inform him though

Night 5: inconspicuous (because he was shown in the photographs a few times), didn't get a chance to inform him before this charade began

Well, if your telling the truth, thank you for protecting me. But why in of the names of Gods didn't you tell me, or Mr. Cons (I'm aware you said you haven't had a chance, but why not during the night?)? I know I'd like to keep every allie as close as possible to me!

This is an interesting statement, especially if you were indeed protected by the accused. If she did indeed protect you, why would you go against her. Or did she protect you? Could you shed some light on this?

Well, she did say she had yet to inform him.

[Sandy]

Well, if your telling the truth, thank you for protecting me. But why in of the names of Gods didn't you tell me, or Mr. Cons (I'm aware you said you haven't had a chance, but why not during the night?)?

Simply because I was going with a gut feeling. I didn't know if you're a townie or not, and I still don't because I'm not an investigator. I've sent some PMs around but not very many before today because I've simply been too caught up with my businesses (ie. my full-time job).

Only today I woke up to suddenly find myself at the center of events. Before this I haven't really even felt the need to gather allies, thinking I was just your friendly neighborhood protector in a crowd of 42, but I hope it doesn't bite me in the butt now. I should've been more active in the past, I apologize.

[Bendybadger]

Glad we got rid of one of the godfathers, but poor Hans and James a terrible price to pay. I sense a bit of tension is the town with Stash vs Sandy and it will be interesting to see which side the town takes.

I am a simple man but was interested with 2 references to axes last night and was thinking that Ax might be coded and Alex Burr is involved. Thats my thinking done with for the week anyhoo.

[sok117]

Unless you have proof that your wife is innocent, you might want to be real careful about supporting your wife. Now I need to watch you to make sure you aren't a criminal.

And all I have for proof is what I know. No, I can't give you the details and reveal sources as of yet. If this one goes down, I have a few more to out also. You can take my word, or choose not to vote; your decision. Just remember, when the truth comes out, everyone is going to look back and see who didn't vote. Worst case, I'm wrong and I get voted tomorrow.

That sounds like a damn good reason to vote for me, The man knows the consequences, and accusations such as this have worked out in the towns favor before.

But then agian, Sandy does make some valid points. But Stash has gotten us our first conviction to begin with.

SOOO Confusing! I'll vote when the time comes, but I need to figure out who...

[Professor Flitwick]

Simply because I was going with a gut feeling. I didn't know if you're a townie or not, and I still don't because I'm not an investigator. I've sent some PMs around but not very many before today because I've simply been too caught up with my businesses (ie. my full-time job)

But tell, why would you protect one, if you were not sure were ones alligence lied? And if you still aren't sure of the side of the people you protect, then why did contact the professor and Stash?

[JimBee]

I am the town's protector - go ahead, investigate me if you will - and I used my night action on you when I thought you were going to get killed - and I told you that. Is this your thanks?

This is correct, Stash was protected on the night that Mrs Quest claimed. So that means that if she is lying then someone will be able to come forward and reveal the truth.

Indeed. I am not the protector, but I know who is, and it was not Sandy who we saw protecting Stash on Night 3 when his life was on the line.

And as for investigation, not many of you know this, but Godfathers are immune to such actions. Meaning, they always appear as innocent to any investigator. Keeping her alive another night will only allow for another kill and a conversion.

I am convinced, because Stash, like the other bold accusations, would not throw his life on the line if he knew Sandy was innocent. If she was, then he would know that the mob would be knocking at his door the next day.

[Shadows]

I was approached last night by someone who showed me "undeniable proof" that they are innocent.

If that's true, shouldn't you name the person? That would help save us some trouble checking them out. If the voice in the sky told you that such evidence exists, it must be true.

Mrs. Sandy Quest is BAD NEWS!!! She is the Godmother of the Ronzini Family! She needs to get voted off ASAP!

Can you offer some kind of evidence or explanation? In the past, we've taken two such leaps of faith, but each one came with something more. In my case, it was a witnessed attack. In Walter's, he explained how he gathered the information. It's one thing to follow minimal evidence and another to go on nothing. A little confirmation of some kind would make the decision easier. As I understand it, the same 'evidence' against Sandy is true of our own police chief and I'm not sure that there isn't some kind of vested interest here.

Bottom line, I need some kind of evidence, even if it's just a clarification of why you think this.

Added: I replied before seeing the last of the conversation.

I need to add that I can't confirm that Sandy protected me on night 1, but I was informed that I saw her following me at one point. That could have been for any purpose, it wasn't made clear, but it probably proves that she didn't do anything else that night (could someone have multiple actions on one night?).

This whole thing is confusing, especially all that action last night. When the time comes, voting is going to be difficult for me, but I'll go with the will of the people, hoping that some of you have had more time to sort this out.

[The Legonater]

This whole thing is confusing, especially all that action last night. When the time comes, voting is going to be difficult for me, but I'll go with the will of the people, hoping that some of you have had more time to sort this out.

Agreed. I'm the one left to examine these bodies and I still don't understand it all.

I'm most curious to find how this '7th day' idea came up. Would you care to explain?

[Captain Genaro]

Wow, I've been away for a while.

Stash's accusations seem to hold water but it could also be a trick. He claimed to be neutral so mabey all he has to do to win is survive day 6. He told us that he had information a while ago (day 3?) but waited till now to tell us this information. He was able to keep puting it off longer and longer. Now, I'm not accusing him but it is possible that he just has to survive day 6.

[Sirius Black]

Indeed. I am not the protector, but I know who is, and it was not Sandy who we saw protecting Stash on Night 3 when his life was on the line.

And as for investigation, not many of you know this, but Godfathers are immune to such actions. Meaning, they always appear as innocent to any investigator. Keeping her alive another night will only allow for another kill and a conversion.

I am convinced, because Stash, like the other bold accusations, would not throw his life on the line if he knew Sandy was innocent. If she was, then he would know that the mob would be knocking at his door the next day.

Now, this is interesting. Can another source verify that it was not Sandy? It does seem unusual that Stash would make such an accusation if he was wrong, so he had to have a basis for his accusations. The second point in particular is convincing.

Susan