Pirates Of The Carribean Lego

[Black Sparrow]

If anybody wants to Help me with MOCS....Please Post! 8-|

What Lego should do now is release a new System Pirates which couldn't be confused with POTC in any way, as this title is reserved to MegaBloks. So there shouldn't be one main minifig character (or a few characters) with a name, nor should there be a story behind the sets, just the sets alone like they did with the original Pirates. I wouldn't like it if Lego made new Pirate sets which would look something like "alternative POTC", in other words - something inspired by POTC but looking different as they don't have the license.

So no POTC rip-offs, just new, distinct Pirates.

I agree Also!

It Would Be Cool If POTC Lego came out, and I would like the characters to be from the movie, But I wouldnt want the whole big storylnie about it.

Very Well Brought Out Dreamweb *y*

[xwingyoda]

On a side note, we difinitly do NOT need a Pirate license for good pirate sets ;-)

You want a license to over pay your sets (especially if you live in Europe !!) and to ruin your creativity ??

A POTC licence would be stupid and costly !!

Like I said several times here, if TLC had brains (or more brains - sometimes I do wonder :-| ) they should have released a new pirate line at the same time (more or less) as POTC to have the free momentum !! Did they do it ?? No of course !!

*yoda*

[Mister Phes]

Well, actually I was wrong - there was a story behind the original Pirates - the comic book! But the rest of my post stands - they simply shoudn't try to make fake POTC.

However, this comic book is an adjunct to the pirate theme and very optional. Not an integral part of its marketing like the story in Knights Kingdom II or any licenced theme. Think of it as the Expanded Universe of the Pirate theme, its there if you're interested but you can live without it...

On a side note, we difinitly do NOT need a Pirate license for good pirate sets ;-)

You want a license to over pay your sets (especially if you live in Europe !!) and to ruin your creativity ??

A POTC licence would be stupid and costly !!

As I mentioned earlier I think a licence would do more harm than good in terms of design.

Like I said several times here, if TLC had brains (or more brains - sometimes I do wonder :-| ) they should have released a new pirate line at the same time (more or less) as POTC to have the free momentum !! Did they do it ?? No of course !!

They did release the brilliant 4+ Pirate theme 12 months after the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie... Maybe that was their attempt. But yeah, nice timing LEGO Company!

[Mithrandir]

Lego has not won any license in a long, long time.

Er, Batman, Spongebob, Avatar?

That's just this year...

[Mister Phes]

And that was after last year's conference where they announced they were moving away from licences... Well clap clap! They've done a good job of that!

[Black Sparrow]

It Would Be Cool to see some MOC And Lego Movies Made With The MOC's Right?

[Mister Phes]

I'm not sure what you mean Mr Sparrow, could you explain in greater deapth what you have in mind?

[natelite]

Lego has not won any license in a long, long time.

Er, Batman, Spongebob, Avatar?

That's just this year...

batman...hmm, you could have a point there. but i doubt there was much competition on spongebob or avatar.

[Mister Phes]

Has Batman proven to be a popular theme so far?

[Black Sparrow]

I think batman isnt gonna make to far in the Poduct line. You know?

[Kikuichimonji]

I must say, Batman is nice, and it'll propably sell well, but I just don't find it to be appealing. Pirates of the Carribean would be nice as a theme, but there would be certain restrictions. For instance, Lego would give us ships and characters from the movies. Which is okay. But it also means that Lego's creativity is held back by the license. If they'd just make pirates again, they could do whatever they wanted to because there would be no license terms. Plus, we likely wouldn't see 'normal' pirates for a while (like we haven't seen a 'normal' space theme ever since Lego got the Star Wars license)

So the license would be appealing for some, and would likely sell better, but I'd still prefer the good old pirate sets to return ;-)

[Deinonychus]

I think a licenced Pirate theme would be a horrible idea, much better just to do a whole new work-up of the classic LEGO pirates.

Also I'm sure many wouldn't like LEGO "locking up" their possible themes with licencing. Like was mentioned, there's been no substantial Space since Star Wars started (Mars and I guess Exoforce excluded), and Harry Potter sort of locks up the fantasy angle, and Batman precludes an action adventure theme (like Alpha Team or Dino Attack) so more licences would just cut back on other LEGO themes we've come to love.

Also, Disney could be a factor. Who knows how much input and control they'd want on the sets. Megabloks is obviously already set up to handle Disney licences, so there's a pre-established relationship there. LEGO had some Disney licences for a while (I remember Pooh) but I don't think that worked out too well for them.

Now I love Megabloks, but I'm also glad that they've sort of taken the hits on not-too-hot licences instead of LEGO. Power Rangers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Marvel Comics, Star Trek, Narnia, and now Pirates of the Carribean...none of these have done all that great at retail (most ending up marked WAY down in a couple months) with only the Power Rangers having any real staying power. (the first series if which, was a lot of fun ) Part of that could be that only the Rangers were even remotley suited to minifig-scale system building. Megabloks scooping up several licences and trying to see what works just leaves LEGO room to take their time and pick up really good licences that fit well with minifig-scale system building. (Star Wars, Batman, even Harry Potter to a lesser extent)

I also think Megabloks serves as a sort of "independent test market" for LEGO themes. It can't be a coincidence that Megabloks has been doing very well with their Dragon lines, and last year we get a very dragon-heavy Viking theme that, by comparison, puts the Mega-Dragons to shame. It's totally possible that if the Pyrates and the Pirates of the Carribean sets sell very well, LEGO will give us new Pirates very soon.

So not to worry...this is a very good thing. LEGO is so much better Pirate-wise then a fleeting licence.

And to all you Megablok-hating brand snobs out there...grow up would ya'?

[Mithrandir]

I think a licenced Pirate theme would be a horrible idea, much better just to do a whole new work-up of the classic LEGO pirates.

Also I'm sure many wouldn't like LEGO "locking up" their possible themes with licencing. Like was mentioned, there's been no substantial Space since Star Wars started (Mars and I guess Exoforce excluded), and Harry Potter sort of locks up the fantasy angle, and Batman precludes an action adventure theme (like Alpha Team or Dino Attack) so more licences would just cut back on other LEGO themes we've come to love.

Lego has had spider-man running at the same time as alpha-team; I don't think the batman license will preclude them from an action theme.

I miss alpha-team already though; Dino Attack was 50% awesome and 50% blah, so I was disappointed that that was the successor to AT. I bought the DA helicopter, absolutely amazing design, but I don't like the colors, and I think the dinosaur is... blech... 5 unique pieces that can't really be used anywhere else...

By the way, the T-Rex has © 2004 Lego on it, when it was released in 2005/2006.... does that seem weird or is this normal? I can't find that piece in any other set, so I assume it's new...

[Deinonychus]

Lego has had spider-man running at the same time as alpha-team; I don't think the batman license will preclude them from an action theme.

I think Spider-Man was a special case in that it started as a Studios property and wasn't very vehicle-heavy. Both the Alpha Team and the Caped Crusader have pretty vehicle-centric themes, which makes them fairly similar.

By the way, the T-Rex has

[Mister Phes]

So its unanimous that we wouldn't like to see a SYSTEM Pirate theme based on the Pirates of the Carribean movies, but rather a completely new SYSTEM Pirates theme from the designers at The LEGO Company?

[Mithrandir]

So its unanimous that we wouldn't like to see a SYSTEM Pirate theme based on the Pirates of the Carribean movies, but rather a completely new SYSTEM Pirates theme from the designers at The LEGO Company?

Aye.

I'd prefer an evolution of the old Pirates theme. I really don't mind if they introduce storylines either.

[Black Sparrow]

(I Made A Hot TOPIC!!!)

I Still think it will be cool. Not Copyrighted Off the movie but Just Having The Sets out.

[Kikuichimonji]

So its unanimous that we wouldn't like to see a SYSTEM Pirate theme based on the Pirates of the Carribean movies, but rather a completely new SYSTEM Pirates theme from the designers at The LEGO Company?

I would. But I'm okay with a license too, if that brings pirates back. I'd definitely get some sets (pirates are, along with castle and town, part of my youth's memories ;-))

[Mister Phes]

I do tend to think if The LEGO Company is going to bring pirates back then they better do it properly otherwise not do it at all. They've already disgraced the SYSTEM Pirate's name with 4+ Pirates and are going to further disgrace it with Duplo Pirates when those sets are released. It appears The LEGO Company is seeking to completely run Pirates into the ground before produce a new SYSTEM Pirate theme.

I've had this speculation that The LEGO Company hasn't released new SYSTEM Pirates sets because they know they don't have it in them to create something anywhere near as good as the original theme. Hence why we've seen 4+ Pirates and now Duplo Pirates - they know they'll only mess a SYSTEM Pirate theme so they're releasing products all around it in a meek attempt to get on Pirate popularity badwagon.

[Deinonychus]

So its unanimous that we wouldn't like to see a SYSTEM Pirate theme based on the Pirates of the Carribean movies, but rather a completely new SYSTEM Pirates theme from the designers at The LEGO Company?

Aye.

I'd prefer an evolution of the old Pirates theme. I really don't mind if they introduce storylines either.

That I'm not too sure about.

I dig Castle, but Knight's Kingdom really doesn't do it for me. I'd rather have 7 or 8 different generic Minifigs repeating over and over in sets (like Vikings) instead of established characters like KK has. That, and since the KK storyline isn't all that compelling to me, it actually keeps me from showing interest in sets I might otherwise.

So personally I' d rather just see some new Pirates in the classic story-less style. Besides, it's more fun to make up your own story ;-)

[xwingyoda]

I probably will have several problems if TLC finally decided to make a new SYSTEM pirate theme:

* stickers

* catapults or other annoying shooting devices

* Over <insert that tiresome argument> boat hull

* skittle coloured pirate MFs

* lack of female MF

*yoda*

[Norro]

* skittle coloured pirate MFs

I'm just trying to picture that X-D...

God Bless,

Nathan

[Mithrandir]

I probably will have several problems if TLC finally decided to make a new SYSTEM pirate theme:

* stickers

* catapults or other annoying shooting devices

* Over <insert that tiresome argument> boat hull

* skittle coloured pirate MFs

* lack of female MF

*yoda*

1) I find that most sets look good even without the stickers, so I rarely have a complaint about them.

2) Yeah; the way I look at this, though, is that it's Lego, and if you don't want it in your model, don't put it in :)

3) I don't think that will be a problem, honestly. I think they're likely to use the same old Pirate hulls. I was pleased to see that the Viking boat used the same middle-hull piece as the old pirate sets, so this proves that they are willing to use old molds. (unfortunately, the use of that piece made the viking boat too big, because the hull piece was designed for wider ships, and they needed 3 of them to make the longboat the proper dimensions, so the scale is way bigger than minifig scale)

4) Not sure what this means

5) I think I remember an old female pirate MF, or am I remembering wrong?

[natelite]

i don't think female pirates make sense. female captives maybe. and maybe woman figureheads (mermaid perhaps?). if you want female mfs for roleplaying, maybe you can use the figureheads or a city mf's head on a pirates torso. :-$

[xwingyoda]

I probably will have several problems if TLC finally decided to make a new SYSTEM pirate theme:

* catapults or other annoying shooting devices

* Over <insert that tiresome argument> boat hull

* skittle coloured pirate MFs

* lack of female MF

*yoda*

2) Yeah; the way I look at this, though, is that it's Lego, and if you don't want it in your model, don't put it in :)

3) I don't think that will be a problem, honestly. I think they're likely to use the same old Pirate hulls. I was pleased to see that the Viking boat used the same middle-hull piece as the old pirate sets, so this proves that they are willing to use old molds. (unfortunately, the use of that piece made the viking boat too big, because the hull piece was designed for wider ships, and they needed 3 of them to make the longboat the proper dimensions, so the scale is way bigger than minifig scale)

4) Not sure what this means

5) I think I remember an old female pirate MF, or am I remembering wrong?

2) really, I can't leave them out and not build them ?? Wow what a relief :-| Its just annoying to have some useless parts that make the set more expensive :-( (throw another MF instead ;-) )

3) I love the old pirate hull, I'm just hoping they won't use the 4+ hull or the Durmstrang hull :-X

4) look at wave 1 of KK2 Mfs

5) there was one pirate woman, therefore you do remember correctly.

i don't think female pirates make sense. female captives maybe. and maybe woman figureheads (mermaid perhaps?). if you want female mfs for roleplaying, maybe you can use the figureheads or a city mf's head on a pirates torso. :-$

Yeay sure but a breast free woman is just wrong and :-X *wacko* (hehe :-P ).

*yoda*