[KEY TOPIC] Official Lego sets made in LDraw

[nitrofurano]

386 - Red Cross Helicopter and Ambulance [1976]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/386_redcrosshelicopterandambulance

errors: unknown

 

 

455 - Learjet [1975]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/455_learjet

errors: unknown

 

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by nitrofurano

[nitrofurano]

450 - Fork Lift [1973]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/450_forklift

errors: unknown

 

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by nitrofurano

[nitrofurano]

619 - Rally Car [1977]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/619_rallycar

errors: unknown

 

[nitrofurano]

687 - Caravelle Plane [1973]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/687_caravelleplane

errors: unknown (up to now, please help verifying - i fixed now that misalignment on wings, mistake from me)

 

Edited July 30, 2017 by nitrofurano

[nitrofurano]

371 - Seaplane [1976]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/371_seaplane

errors: unknown (3660.dat misalignment was a mistake from me, fixed now, due one a LeoCad grid misplacement bug/misfeature)

 

Edited August 15, 2017 by nitrofurano

[legolijntje]

9 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

errors: misaligned original pieces (inverted slope bricks specially)

You know. I really appreciate the effort you put into creating these models and I know you have the best intentions . But, a bit more effort from your side would be highly appreciated. I mean, if you can't find a part or whatever, sure, but if you have misaligned parts in your model and you know it (and it's not a crazy angle, just a standard slope)... You can fix that yourself too and not just dump everything here and be like 'Good luck with it'.

[nitrofurano]

2 hours ago, legolijntje said:

You know. I really appreciate the effort you put into creating these models and I know you have the best intentions . But, a bit more effort from your side would be highly appreciated. I mean, if you can't find a part or whatever, sure, but if you have misaligned parts in your model and you know it (and it's not a crazy angle, just a standard slope)... You can fix that yourself too and not just dump everything here and be like 'Good luck with it'.

from my humble viewpoint, i think that (isn’t it?), as important as contributing with models, is to using them for testing the existing pieces from the libraries and verify if they are aligned and fine enough, and that is not the case about 3660.dat (at least from the libraries i’m using from Ubuntu’s repository as LeoCad dependency, that i imagine it is the official one) - perhaps it’s a good idea if this piece gets fixed, and everyone that used it might have to fix their models? i don’t know who can help us to verify it, or how can we help in this process

(anyway, about model 371, i’ll try to do some patchwork there the best i can, and add some comments inside that .ldr notifying that the brick 3660.dat is not accurate enough)

and about the wings on model 687 i’m seeing that was a mistake from me, i will update the .ldr soon

and i’m really trying to do my best - and everyone, please keep helping on testing and improving them - btw, from my experience in whatever online volunteer participation (openstreetmap, forum.linguisticteam.org transcriptions and translations, github, launchpad, wikipedia, etc.), all process consists on an initial process and consecutive revision stages until obtaining an excellent result (not simply “done”), and i humbly think would be great seeing it happening here as well! ; (well, i might be wrong about this, but i don’t know where)

368 - Taxi Station [1976]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/368_taxistation

errors: unknown (up to now, please help verifying)

[legolijntje]

15 minutes ago, nitrofurano said:

from my humble viewpoint, i think that (isn’t it?), as important as contributing with models, is to using them for testing the existing pieces from the libraries and verify if they are aligned and fine enough, and that is not the case about 3660.dat (at least from the libraries i’m using from Ubuntu’s repository as LeoCad dependency, that i imagine it is the official one) - perhaps it’s a good idea if this piece gets fixed, and everyone that used it might have to fix their models? i don’t know who can help us to verify it, or how can we help in this process

As far as I can tell, there's completely nothing wrong with LDraw part 3660. What exactly do you mean?

 

16 minutes ago, nitrofurano said:

and i’m really trying to do my best - and everyone, please keep helping on testing and improving them - btw, from my experience in whatever online volunteer participation (openstreetmap, forum.linguisticteam.org transcriptions and translations, github, launchpad, wikipedia, etc.), all process consists on an initial process and consecutive revision stages until obtaining an excellent result (not simply “done”), and i humbly think would be great seeing it happening here as well! ; (well, i might be wrong about this, but i don’t know where)

Yes, certainly, and that's completely fine. No problem with working together and all, but I meant that if there are simple errors you know of, you could fix those yourself too. I'd rather have quality over quantity here. And, this isn't exactly world's most active topic on Eurobricks (no offense to all contributors ) so the chance that people will start fixing your files is slim. They rather spend their time creating their own models or just doing something else.

[nitrofurano]

sorry, sorry, sorry, that was a huge mistake from me - 3660.dat is perfectly fine, i took a more careful look into it, and as result i think i can get a bit more efficient on modeling - sorry @legolijntje and everyone else, i’m going to update it now! :S

(i guess my confusion got from some LeoCad, i assumed pieces were placed in a grid (as option) by default, and all the confusion started from that - perhaps next versions of LeoCad might have it fixed, and it is really great seeing its sources hosted at GitHub, so anyone of us might be able to help there! :) )

and thanks for all feedback, and indeed, fixing those models that i made such mistakes is a pleasure for me, and i really appreciate a lot all notifications and blunt comments, without any exception! ;)

btw, i’m actually not too focused on quantity - such pace (even disastrous! :D ) were mostly motivated by fun and joy, and humbly trying to be helpful on improving the models database a little bit! :)

Edited July 30, 2017 by nitrofurano

[Darats]

If you are not able to make sure by yourself that parts are placed correctly, I would strongly advice to switch to LDCAD instead of LeoCAD. You would benefit from part snapping and it will be easier to align everything correctly. Also, you should review you models using LDView, it will help to see errors. You will also be able to take better quality screenshot using LDView.

As Legolijntje said, poeple will prefer to build their models instead of correcting or checking others' ones. 

And stop writing "unknown" on Errors, you should post a model here when you are sure their is no error or when you can identify them (99% of the time : missing sticker, missing patterned parts or missing parts). As those old Lego model are quite simple, you shouldn't identify errors others than those 3.

I know you are in the learning process, but take your time. As it has been said: quality, not quantity...

 

 

[nitrofurano]

@Darats thanks for the heads up and motivation - but about comparing LDCAD with LeoCAD, i can’t avoid showing one more issue that demotivates me to use LDCAD: this is a file being opened at LeoCAD: http://xomf.com/lwhqw - and this is the same on LDCAD: http://xomf.com/smdvb - so i guess you can see the point, how can i model or visualize something only with those red crosses? how can we be minimally productive using LDCAD? or did i install LDCAD so badly? or was the version of LDCAD i installed way too obsolete? (and sorry asking all of that....)

Edited July 30, 2017 by nitrofurano

[Darats]

I think you ldraw installation is messed up, or LDCAD don't know where too find your ldraw library. You have a red cross when LDCAD can't find a part.

 

You should install the ldraw AIOI from scratch and check your LDCAD settings to locate the ldraw library.

[legolijntje]

8 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

@Darats thanks for the heads up and motivation - but about comparing LDCAD with LeoCAD, i can’t avoid showing one more issue that demotivates me to use LDCAD: this is a file being opened at LeoCAD: http://xomf.com/lwhqw - and this is the same on LDCAD: http://xomf.com/smdvb - so i guess you can see the point, how can i model or visualize something only with those red crosses? how can we be minimally productive using LDCAD? or did i install LDCAD so badly? or was the version of LDCAD i installed way too obsolete? (and sorry asking all of that....)

Something is definitely wrong in your installation of the LDraw parts library or LDCad. However, when reading the documentation of LeoCad, it seems the installer comes bundled with its own LDraw parts library and thus you probably never installed the library on its own as explained here. You can download the complete (official) parts library here, by pressing the 'download complete.zip' link. Extract that library somewhere where it's easy to access and you don't forget where it is. Then go to LDCad, click Prefs in the top toolbar -> Search (library) paths. There should be three paths in the list, an Official, and Unofficial and Donors. You only have to change the Official one for now. Change it's location to the root folder where you just extracted the LDraw parts. Don't change the Shadow location, those are specific files bundled with LDCad for the part snapping. Then click Accept, restart LDCad and your parts should be visible.

You might also want to use the Unofficial LDraw parts. You can download those here, link for all parts is at the bottom. The usual location to extract those is at your previous mentioned root LDraw library in a new folder called 'unofficial'. Then do the same thing in LDCad as above, but for the unofficial parts. Note that the unofficial parts aren't a must, but there might be parts in there you want to use. But remember they're unofficial and thus they might include slight errors.

Hope that helps 

6 hours ago, Darats said:

You should install the ldraw AIOI from scratch and check your LDCAD settings to locate the ldraw library.

AIOI is not gonna work in Linux  I can remember there was someone who was trying to create something like the AIOI for Linux or something like that, but can't find it.

[nitrofurano]

thanks, i’ll try! :) 

[Philo]

7 hours ago, legolijntje said:

it seems the installer comes bundled with its own LDraw parts library and thus you probably never installed the library on its own as explained here

Moreover, LeoCAD defaults to a zipped library, not directly usable by other programs (though I guess LDCad could be instructed to use it but I's rather change LeoCAD settigs to use a regular library!)

[roland]

8 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

thanks, i’ll try! :) 

You can also just delete main.cfg while LDCad is closed, it will then ask for the library location at next start. If does so by opening a directory browsing window which you need to point to the folder containing the p and parts subfolders or the main folder containing complete.zip as it can also use it without unpacking.

I don't know if the packed file Leocad uses is a plain zip file, if so you could symlink it to complete.zip and use that. But I would advise to use the latest LDraw.org complete.zip for both programs.

[SylvainLS]

LeoCAD works with the official complete.zip file, or you can point LeoCAD to a directory (e.g. “Custom Parts Library” in View|Preferences…|General (first tab) or see the other ways on the web page).

http://www.leocad.org/docs/library.html

Quote

LeoCAD is completely compatible with LDraw's Parts Library. In fact, the library included in the installer packages is just a zip archive of LDraw's library without any changes.

 

[nitrofurano]

this is the first time i heard LeoCAD uses a zipped library, what i have here installed from the packages from the official Ubuntu repository is almost 10000 .dat files at /usr/share/ldraw/parts/ - i guess that LDCad can access exactly the same library, just like several ZX-Spectrum emulators (like FBZX, Fuse and etc.) can use the same bios rom files, or like Gimp and Inkscape can use the same palette files from linked directories?

(btw, about all the models i shared here made from me, i used the wrong yellow on all of them, i should be using colour 14 and used 226 instead... :S - newbie mistakes, sorry everyone... - it seems very simple to be fixed, and soon i’ll update everything )

[legolijntje]

4778 - Airplane Promotional Set - City

Errors:

• Missing minifigure prints
• Missing stickers

Download here.

 

4506 - Deep Sea Predators | Model A: Small Red Fish - Creator

No errors. Download here.

 

4506 - Deep Sea Predators | Model B: Swordfish - Creator

No errors. Download here.

 

4506 - Deep Sea Predators | Model C: Whale - Creator

No errors. Download here.

 

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12 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

this is the first time i heard LeoCAD uses a zipped library, what i have here installed from the packages from the official Ubuntu repository is almost 10000 .dat files at /usr/share/ldraw/parts/ - i guess that LDCad can access exactly the same library, just like several ZX-Spectrum emulators (like FBZX, Fuse and etc.) can use the same bios rom files, or like Gimp and Inkscape can use the same palette files from linked directories?

I think both programs should be able to use the same library yes. If you either configure LDCad to use Leocad's library or the other way around is up to you.

12 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

(btw, about all the models i shared here made from me, i used the wrong yellow on all of them, i should be using colour 14 and used 226 instead... :S - newbie mistakes, sorry everyone... - it seems very simple to be fixed, and soon i’ll update everything )

No problem. At least you noticed it now and not 100 models later 

[nitrofurano]

On 8/1/2017 at 9:16 PM, legolijntje said:

I think both programs should be able to use the same library yes. If you either configure LDCad to use Leocad's library or the other way around is up to you.

No problem. At least you noticed it now and not 100 models later 

exactly, and thanks! :D - i uploaded their .ldr now at http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano (screenshots not yet, soon i hope)

i also fixed that parts list to ldr converter i shared somewhere here in this forum (i still need to add some colour codes there, i mostly focused on colours used on models up to the late 70’s)  (soon i might recode that converter to Python, so MacOS-X, GNU/Linux and BSD users wouldn’t need to install anything for running this script )

i’ll try LDCad again (and perhaps then, again and again! :D ), and try if i can have these libraries working there

weird, LDCad isn’t storing new library directories, as well as whatever changes i do on the preferences - am i doing something wrong there? and where is "menu:file/quit" or ctrl+q there? :O (btw, "menu:file/quit" on LeoCad is "menu:file/exit", i also don’t know why! :D )

 

well, this is weird...

 

(library directory finally accepted, verified by opening LDcad again)

Edited August 7, 2017 by nitrofurano

[nitrofurano]

(another question: how can we use other gui themes on LDcad?)

[nitrofurano]

617 - Cowboys [1976]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/617_cowboys

no errors (please help verifying)

Edited August 7, 2017 by nitrofurano

[nitrofurano]

622 - Baggage Carts [1970]

http://bricksafe.com/pages/nitrofurano/622_baggagecarts

no errors (please help verifying)

[roland]

8 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

weird, LDCad isn’t storing new library directories, as well as whatever changes i do on the preferences - am i doing something wrong there? and where is "menu:file/quit" or ctrl+q there? :O (btw, "menu:file/quit" on LeoCad is "menu:file/exit", i also don’t know why! :D )

Did you run the setup script? if so ~/LDCad must be writable otherwise the place wherever the executable is must be writable.

There is no file/quit, the os app control stuff hotkeys (e.g. ALT+F4 on windows) and the main window cross can already close the program.

 

7 hours ago, nitrofurano said:

(another question: how can we use other gui themes on LDcad?)

You can copy gui/default and then edit that copy. see also:

http://www.melkert.net/LDCad/tech/gui

You can choose which subfolder to use in prefs/gui/gui template

[nitrofurano]

5 minutes ago, roland said:

Did you run the setup script? if so ~/LDCad must be writable otherwise the place wherever the executable is must be writable.

There is no file/quit, the os app control stuff hotkeys (e.g. ALT+F4 on windows) and the main window cross can already close the program.

 

You can copy gui/default and then edit that copy. see also:

http://www.melkert.net/LDCad/tech/gui

You can choose which subfolder to use in prefs/gui/gui template

setup script? i can’t remember... - everything inside ~/LDCad has 775 permission, so i wonder what might be wrong there (btw, wouldn’t it be better if ~/LDCad could be ~/.LDCad , ~/.config/LDCad or ~/.local/share/LDCad instead? )

for closing, i think i can only use meta+shift+c on awesomewm... :S  (i didn’t try yet on other window managers)

and thanks for the gui theming tips

Edited August 7, 2017 by nitrofurano