Lord Arjay Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Cause Stash is making stuff up? He's guessing? Possibly, though that was more directed at Shaun who seems to believe you both to be scum. I'm not so sure myself but he was correct about Mrs Quest. Mr Long and Mr Deed have also confirmed he was correct about them. With Shaun, it is entirely possible that he has killing abilities. We were not aware of the killer with a golden sword until last night, yet they clearly exist. At any rate, I see Stash as someone we should deal with soon to lessen a threat but I see Mr Dows as someone who is a threat.
def Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone who fought the first three families agrees to kill Shaun, and I don´t think they can all be wrong. Who is everyone? Dows gave us one, he voted Stash. Kovacs gave us one, he hasn't voted. Stash gave us one, he voted himself. Two of the three want Stash out. As for me, I voted against mafia every time, was a victim of a scum assassination attempt (day 3 or 4; protected by Brickme), and I want Stash out. Frankly, Drake's insistence at keeping his protection is looking fishier and fishier all the time. He wants the guy protecting him to stick around. And he's fighting a heck of a lot to do it. At any rate, I see Stash as someone we should deal with soon to lessen a threat but I see Mr Dows as someone who is a threat. At this point, I think they're both bad news, but Stash seems to be the one that spells more trouble for us all. At that, I guess our opinions will have to respectfully diverge.
Walter Kovacs Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Who is everyone? Dows gave us one, he voted Stash. Kovacs gave us one, he hasn't voted. Stash gave us one, he voted himself. Two of the three want Stash out. As for me, I voted against mafia every time, was a victim of a scum assassination attempt (day 3 or 4; protected by Brickme), and I want Stash out. Frankly, Drake's insistence at keeping his protection is looking fishier and fishier all the time. He wants the guy protecting him to stick around. And he's fighting a heck of a lot to do it. At this point, I think they're both bad news, but Stash seems to be the one that spells more trouble for us all. At that, I guess our opinions will have to respectfully diverge. I would agree with taking out Stash if we knew who the Noodles boss is. But we don't, and all indications are that we don't have a vigilante at any rate. If we had a clue who the boss was, I'd be all for going after Stash. But as it stands... There is always the possibility that Shaun is the Noodles boss. It's remote, granted, but the possibility is there. It would explain a lot if Shaun had a vest, instead of some "advanced training". After all, it is only Shaun's word that he doesn't have a vest. Who's to say he's not the one lying. And who's to say Stash and Shaun aren't working together, and Stash's sacrifice is only to protect someone "more valuable". Like I said, remote. But possible. I think my choice is clear here. Stash can wait, Shaun is more pressing. vote: Shaun Dows/Shadows
Eskallon Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Everyone, calm down and think. I am asking you all from the deepest depth's of your heart's to unvote Shaun, forget about killing Stash and to try and get the faintest idea of what we are doing. We could use this day for something better and we will regret voting out Shaun. I don't believe Drake Nadar is scum because if so he wouldn't talk so much but I don't think Shadows is either. Please don't take my work for it, take a look at my reasons listed neatly below: We have been following the words of a Godfather who would be seeking revenge, these people are evil, let me spell that out: E.V.I.L. I agreed with her too but then I thought about it. Why would she help us? We were going to condemn her and she needed revenge so she picked on a neutral who she knew would be voted out today. Lets not follow what that madwoman wants us to do. Then there is the fact that Shaun could in fact be useful to the town even if he is neutral. A neutral's aim is to win the game and Shaun can do this by siding with us townies. I know that he has chosen to side with us townies and I am glad. At the moment we can use him for our sake, we can use him to help us get information and to convict scum. Then my final reason why not to vote out Shaun is that it won't get us anywhere. A neutral does not change any facts or figures and we win when all the scum are taken out, not when the neutrals are taken out so convicting Shaun will not help us to advance in any way. Actually voting him out will slow us down as today could have been spent convicting a mafia member. So what do you think, surely someone with this much evidence against them being bad for us can be bad for us. Please don't regret this decision, unvote Shaun. ---------------------------------- Now, another thing about Stash. He is useful and at the moment we don't know the mafia men and we don't even appear to have a vigilant, so what use will be voting him off at the moment. I hope that you stupid men here aren't too drunk to even try and vote him off. Come to your senses on this aswell. Now if any of you know differently about a vigilant or anything then feel free to PM me sometime soon.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Frankly, Drake's insistence at keeping his protection is looking fishier and fishier all the time. He wants the guy protecting him to stick around. And he's fighting a heck of a lot to do it. I know, Imagen a man wanting to stay alive in order to try and help his town! Everyone, calm down and think. I am asking you all from the deepest depth's of your heart's to unvote Shaun, forget about killing Stash and to try and get the faintest idea of what we are doing. We could use this day for something better and we will regret voting out Shaun. I don't believe Drake Nadar is scum because if so he wouldn't talk so much but I don't think Shadows is either. Please don't take my work for it, take a look at my reasons listed neatly below: Correct, we think he is a neutral... We have been following the words of a Godfather who would be seeking revenge, these people are evil, let me spell that out: E.V.I.L. I agreed with her too but then I thought about it. Why would she help us? We were going to condemn her and she needed revenge so she picked on a neutral who she knew would be voted out today. Lets not follow what that madwoman wants us to do. She helped us because she wanted to make sure that if her allies were not going to win, then Shaun wouldn't either. And as I said, if Shaun turns out to be a townie, feel free to vote for me tomorrow! Then there is the fact that Shaun could in fact be useful to the town even if he is neutral. A neutral's aim is to win the game and Shaun can do this by siding with us townies. I know that he has chosen to side with us townies and I am glad. At the moment we can use him for our sake, we can use him to help us get information and to convict scum. Then there is the fact that Shaun only needs to kill me, The Chief, Detective Quinn, Officer Hollis and Mr. Cons in order to win. A neutral's aim is to win the game and Shaun can do this by siding with a Mafia family. We don't know who he has sided with for sure, and that scares me. At the moment he could pass due to naive votes, and shortly claim a win. Then my final reason why not to vote out Shaun is that it won't get us anywhere. A neutral does not change any facts or figures and we win when all the scum are taken out, not when the neutrals are taken out so convicting Shaun will not help us to advance in any way. Actually voting him out will slow us down as today could have been spent convicting a mafia member. A neutral has an entirely different winning requirement. A neutral could turn all this on its head. Voting him out could save us all.
Stash2Sixx Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Shaun Dows is not scum, and he does not have kill abilities! Maybe we don't know who the Noodle's Family (serious Zepher, that's the best you could do?) Don is, but at least now everyone would be on the same level playing field. That's the main point behind my sacrifice! Serious, if I stick around, I can see that I need to switch sides and join the mob.
Peanuts Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Who is everyone? Dows gave us one, he voted Stash. Kovacs gave us one, he hasn't voted. Stash gave us one, he voted himself. Two of the three want Stash out. Sorry, this was said unclearly. By everyone I meant the background story, that´s why I said three families. I was talking about Nader, the Mayor and detective Man, the authorities, who already fought and killed the scum before these happenings happened.
Eskallon Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Correct, we think he is a neutral... I know that. He had admitted to it aswell. She helped us because she wanted to make sure that if her allies were not going to win, then Shaun wouldn't either. And as I said, if Shaun turns out to be a townie, feel free to vote for me tomorrow! Or she lied to us because she wanted to benefit her allies. Which means that Shaun could be someone who knows too much for his own good. Then there is the fact that Shaun only needs to kill me, The Chief, Detective Quinn, Officer Hollis and Mr. Cons in order to win. A neutral's aim is to win the game and Shaun can do this by siding with a Mafia family. We don't know who he has sided with for sure, and that scares me. At the moment he could pass due to naive votes, and shortly claim a win. He doesn't need to kill you but at the moment he needs to survive and he is not helping any mafia families, I can assure you that. A neutral has an entirely different winning requirement. A neutral could turn all this on its head. Voting him out could save us all. I know what a neutral's winning status would be so don't treat me like a jack-megablocks dumbo. It won't save us all and I know that his winning requirement is not to kill the governmental figures but something else and let me tell you now that you are not involved the slightest. Please, like I said, trust me and unvote Shaun
Peanuts Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 He doesn't need to kill you but at the moment he needs to survive and he is not helping any mafia families, I can assure you that. I know what a neutral's winning status would be so don't treat me like a jack-megablocks dumbo. It won't save us all and I know that his winning requirement is not to kill the governmental figures but something else and let me tell you now that you are not involved the slightest. Please, like I said, trust me and unvote Shaun I admit, this really makes me thinking... You are really that sure he is not working for the scum and has not to kill the authorities? Well, at least you seem. I wonder where you take this knowledge from but I won't ask you to tell us, as many people seem to have their secrets (even Alice:hmpf_bad:). I'm temptated to trust you and unvote him, but what to do then? You also say that we shouldn't kill Stash, although he asked us to do. I know that. He had admitted to it aswell. Really? I'm afraid, I missed that. We talk about Shaun, right? As I said, I'm not sure about Shaun anymore, and maybe I'll unvote him. But what to do then? Kill one on Stash's list? This was one of the best ways to proof his credibility.
Admiral Ron Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 As I said, I'm not sure about Shaun anymore, and maybe I'll unvote him. But what to do then? Kill one on Stash's list? This was one of the best ways to proof his credibility. This may seem like Blasphemy to some, but perhaps nothing for today, or vote off someone on Stash's list.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I know that. He had admitted to it aswell. Where? If you would be so kind as to provide my fragile memory with a link to this? Or she lied to us because she wanted to benefit her allies. Which means that Shaun could be someone who knows too much for his own good. Then I strongly advise him to reveal all he knows, just so we know he's telling the truth, like what Stash did. He doesn't need to kill you but at the moment he needs to survive and he is not helping any mafia families, I can assure you that. So it's just your word for it? I'm afraid I, and I hope the larger part of this town, are going to need slightly more than the word of someone who has nothing to fear. I know what a neutral's winning status would be so don't treat me like a jack-megablocks dumbo. It won't save us all and I know that his winning requirement is not to kill the governmental figures but something else and let me tell you now that you are not involved the slightest. Please, like I said, trust me and unvote Shaun I will stop treating you like an Oik (or has you so eloquently put it, 'a jack-megablocks dumbo') when you tell us Shauns winning requirements, and how you came about this information. I admit, this really makes me thinking... You are really that sure he is not working for the scum and has not to kill the authorities? Well, at least you seem. I wonder where you take this knowledge from but I won't ask you to tell us, as many people seem to have their secrets (even Alice:hmpf_bad:). I'm temptated to trust you and unvote him, but what to do then? You also say that we shouldn't kill Stash, although he asked us to do. If I were to tell you that you, and you alone, could fly off into space and save Earth from a comet, would you seriously try to fly up there and save us? Whats that, "No"? Of course not! Just because people are presenting argument, after argument, after argument for voting of 'X' doesn't mean you vote should change to each passing speaker! I hope you don't keep planning of flipping backwards and forwards like a fish on a trawler deck! This may seem like Blasphemy to some, but perhaps nothing for today, or vote off someone on Stash's list. That's even crazier than the rest of them! After all the arguing for and against different people today, are you telling me you don't have any sort of opinion? I'm seriously wondering how some of you managed to put an 'X' in the box on election day!
Peanuts Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 If I were to tell you that you, and you alone, could fly off into space and save Earth from a comet, would you seriously try to fly up there and save us? Whats that, "No"? Of course not! Just because people are presenting argument, after argument, after argument for voting of 'X' doesn't mean you vote should change to each passing speaker! I hope you don't keep planning of flipping backwards and forwards like a fish on a trawler deck! I just said that I get doubts about Shaun. As you can see, I didn't unvote him yet, as I still want him to be voted off. It's just, that he seems to be really sure, that he is no harm, and i guess he has reason to be. Why should he claim to have proof if he has no? If Shaun is really neutral, he would have no friends backing him up. But yet I'm not convinced and therefore I stay with my vote.
Sirius Black Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Ok, so I’m tired of all the wishy-washy attitudes and people “claiming they know so-and-so is a ?????.” So, here’s what I know… I was neutral and used to make bulletproof vests. A middle man sold my vests to other people in this town, but without my knowledge. So, I do not know for sure who has one, but I have some suspicions. The premise behind these vests is that the person wearing one is immune from night kills as long as they have one. However, if I die, then the vests cease to work. Here is what I think I know Chief of Police Drake Nader (Dragonator) - This clown has a vest. He cannot be killed at night. This guy has been feeding me bits for days now, but lying between his teeth the entire time. I’m sure of it. Mayor Flint Wick (professor flitwick) – This guy has let the mob ravage our town, now with three families! I wouldn’t be surprised if he was running a secret mob family from the government offices. Erwin Long (Eskallon) and Ian Deed (Iamded) – these two used to be professional hitmen. Dick “Defiant” Dillard (Def) – He was converted over to the Ronzoni/Ronzini Family. Mrs. Alice Nutter (Alice) – Scum, was converted a while back to Ronzoni/Ronzini Family, but still has bs proof of her innocence. Also, remember that when a mob boss falls, there is always someone standing nearby to take their place! So, without further hesitation… my vote is for…………… Stash the Stylist/Stash2sixx. You guys need proof to see if what I say is the truth, so the best way is to off me. Along with that, all of the bulletproof vests will become inactive and that will stop some of those goofy blocks on night kills some of you have been getting. I just ask that you guys keep an eye on Walter Kovacs; I just don’t trust him! Sorry to drag up such an old piece of evidence, but these are our only accusations today (that i have seen, as i skimmed over the debate between our dueling neutrals ). As i see it, Stash has brought up two accusations against our fellow citizens, and appears to be able to flush out the Ronzini family (or is it Ronzoni). How i see it is we can either A: Vote out Shaun. B: Vote out Stash C: Take out one of the two mentioned members, but only if we have a guarantee of guilt. At the moment, i would like to try taking out the Ronzini members, because if Shaun has no killing ability, his vote can wait. By the way, if Stash sold off bulletproof vests, how was a Noodles member killed during the night? I personally would rather vote off a mafia rather than a neutral. Susan
Eskallon Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I will tell you now that I am asking you not to vote for Shaun because of information that has been given to me from a reliable source. Weather or not they are legible is a different matter but all you need to know is that I am doing what I believe to be true. Also another reason to not vote for shaun; he has no killing ability so even if that was his winning status, then it would be very very difficult to win which makes it unlikely if you ask me.
The Crazy One Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I will tell you now that I am asking you not to vote for Shaun because of information that has been given to me from a reliable source. Weather or not they are legible is a different matter but all you need to know is that I am doing what I believe to be true. Also another reason to not vote for shaun; he has no killing ability so even if that was his winning status, then it would be very very difficult to win which makes it unlikely if you ask me. Coming at this late hour this is interesting. Whether you can persuade any of us I don't know. Tell us more.
Eskallon Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Coming at this late hour this is interesting. Whether you can persuade any of us I don't know. Tell us more. I have to go run my bar now, so all I will say is: PLEASE UNVOTE SHAUN. He is neutral but he is working with us, I will explain more in private with you if you want another time but please for now just trust me. I know that you will be making a mistake and you will learn nothing from his death apart from I am telling the truth.
Zepher Posted November 10, 2010 Author Posted November 10, 2010 (edited) Vote Count Stash: 10 Votes (Stash, Ivan, Shaun, Def, Bendy, JohnPaul, Alice, Millacol, Genaro, Minxter) Shaun: 14 Votes (Draggy, Quarry, ADHO15, Flint, Peanuts, Craig, Legonator, Bob, Fugazi, Sok, Arjay, The Crazy One, Iamded, Kovacs) About 30 hours of the day left. Edited November 10, 2010 by Zepher
Professor Flitwick Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I have to go run my bar now, so all I will say is: PLEASE UNVOTE SHAUN. He is neutral but he is working with us, I will explain more in private with you if you want another time but please for now just trust me. I know that you will be making a mistake and you will learn nothing from his death apart from I am telling the truth. No, I think I'd rather have this bombshell out in the open. When Mrs. Quest revealed her knowledge about Shaun, she gave us all she knew (according to her). It's your turn to defend him, and you don't even give us reason, just a rushed "I'll tell you later, believe me for now". We'll need more than that to sway us.
Admiral Ron Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 That's even crazier than the rest of them! After all the arguing for and against different people today, are you telling me you don't have any sort of opinion? I'm seriously wondering how some of you managed to put an 'X' in the box on election day! Well, I do not think Shaun is scum, but I am not willing to put my life to vote for him or for anyone else. And to be clear, I didnt vote for you.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Well, I do not think Shaun is scum, but I am not willing to put my life to vote for him or for anyone else. And to be clear, I didnt vote for you. I thought I'd made it clear. We believe Shaun to be neutral, who only has to kill a few people in order to win. Phaw? A Lib Dem! Nice tuition fees!
Quarryman Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 Vote Count Stash: 10 Votes (Stash, Ivan, Shaun, Def, Bendy, JohnPaul, Alice, Millacol, Genaro, Minxter) Shaun: 13 Votes (Draggy, Quarry, ADHO15, Flint, Peanuts, Craig, Legonator, Bob, Fugazi, Sok, Arjay, The Crazy One, Iamded, Kovacs) Ahem, senator, you can't count, that's 14 votes for Shaun.
Admiral Ron Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I thought I'd made it clear. We believe Shaun to be neutral, who only has to kill a few people in order to win. Of course, I am sorry I was meaning that he was helping scum, which I do not believe he is.
Zepher Posted November 10, 2010 Author Posted November 10, 2010 Screw it, yes Quarry, you're totally correct. I got that number right in my head and didn't quite write it down. I'm really sorry.
The Crazy One Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 I have to go run my bar now, so all I will say is: PLEASE UNVOTE SHAUN. He is neutral but he is working with us, I will explain more in private with you if you want another time but please for now just trust me. I know that you will be making a mistake and you will learn nothing from his death apart from I am telling the truth. Talk to me in private please. I would like to try and make the right decision here.
Alice Posted November 10, 2010 Posted November 10, 2010 As I said, I'm not sure about Shaun anymore, and maybe I'll unvote him. But what to do then? Kill one on Stash's list? This was one of the best ways to proof his credibility. I have proven my loyalty to you and I am your wife... yet you won't listen to me and never even tried to work with me after I proved my innocence. I told you not to vote for Shaun and to vote for Stash, but you dismissed me and now are questioning after someone besides me was advocating for the same thing. Its so over. I need a lawyer.
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