Eurodina - Day 7

[RileyC]

I have been following this heated debate for the whole time. I have been swaying back and forth between the two parties and it was hard to come to a decision.

Oh there is no certainty, sure, but it is awfully convenient that the one thing that you could possibly use as an alibi was the action not shown in the morning, isn't it?

This is the piece of info that swayed me. Sure I know I could be making a mistake here, but we should take a chance and go with the chief. He sure knows a lot that has been going on and I have enough trust in him that he knows what he's doing.

Vote: Shaun Dows / Shadows

If this conviction turns out bad however, mister policey chief will be paying the price.

Oh and just to add fuel to the fire. Tell the good folk what you love to do with Mrs. Alice Nutter?

[Shadows]

This is the piece of info that swayed me.

Really? That? I could make a better argument against me than that.

Seriously, you're siding with the lies of a scum boss who took her parting shot at me as she was led to her death all based on a piece of information that can't even be confirmed?

There is no way we've seen every scum night action or we would have known there were three families. THINK!

And even if you don't want to think, you're overlooking everything Mr. Stash said, including the fact that he knows the chief is lying to him and has named 2 members of the scum, which the chief is ignoring completely...

Oh and just to add fuel to the fire. Tell the good folk what you love to do with Mrs. Alice Nutter?

I knew it! He's doing the old horizontal hokey pokey with one of them! The Chief plus the scum, sittin' in a tree ... s c h e m i n g ...

NOW IT MAKES SENSE!

YOU BASTARD.

[Dragonator]

I'm sorry, but unless you think I'm some kind of time traveler, I couldn't have known ahead of time that she would be converted, then plan for her to kill me so I could kill her to take control of a group I didn't even know the names of (that's right, none of us were told who the others were except the leader of the group). Since they know all of this is true, they know you're full of crap.

You didn't need to know ahead of time; you saw she had attacked you on night two and jumped at the opportunity to make a strategic move, not only killing off one of your quota but using her as a meatshield to fall back on later, as you are now, and to take control of the Night Watch. brilliant maneuver, but the truth is out now.

Who exposed that? Oh, right, your friend the godfather. No one else has been stupid enough to claim such an idiotic and clearly untrue thing except her and her new followers. I think the voters are smart enough to see exactly what's happening here, we're being led by the dead mob in the form of a puppet police chief.

If you actually bothered to read my earlier statements, you would see that her statement was only the final clinching evidence in a long series of statements which point to your true goals, most notably your fixation with killing off our mayor, which you haven't even bothered to deny. Seriously, trying to link me with the mob now when I'm most obviously not is only weakening your entire story.

And yes, it is just you and me. Wanna crack open a bottle of something? I'll light some candles ...

Trying to poison me now?

And even if you don't want to think, you're overlooking everything Mr. Stash said, including the fact that he knows the chief is lying to him and has named 2 members of the scum, which the chief is ignoring completely...

On the contrary, I will probably be motioning to vote off one of those two tomorrow, but we have to deal with the major threats first, and since you've been manipulating the scum since day one, that is most definitely you. You've run out of fabricated defenses, and now the only thing you can do is feebly attempt to divert everyone's attention elsewhere. Pathetic.

Oh and just to add fuel to the fire. Tell the good folk what you love to do with Mrs. Alice Nutter?

Well I'm looking forward to blowing her brains out tomorrow, if you're referring to me. I presume however that you're referring to Shaun here, right? So Shaun, tell us, what do you like to do with Mrs. Nutter? Hmmm?

[Shadows]

You didn't need to know ahead of time; you saw she had attacked you on night two and jumped at the opportunity to make a strategic move, not only killing off one of your quota but using her as a meatshield to fall back on later, as you are now, and to take control of the Night Watch. brilliant maneuver, but the truth is out now.

Bear this in mind people. If you're attacked, hope your attacker wins because otherwise you'll be accused of all kinds of evil when you expose them. And they turn out to be scum. And a cop. Oh, heaven forbid it's a scum cop. Let me be your example of what happens. UNBELIEVABLE!

If you actually bothered to read my earlier statements, you would see that her statement was only the final clinching evidence in a long series of statements which point to your true goals, most notably your fixation with killing off our mayor, which you haven't even bothered to deny. Seriously, trying to link me with the mob now when I'm most obviously not is only weakening your entire story.

Except for one problem... I've never once expressed a desire to kill the mayor, even after he attacked me based on mob claims. Not one time. Please show me where I have. Anyone. The only thing I have ever expressed is doubt about his loyalty, and I've done that with a lot of people... we're fighting a hidden mob! But have I so much as voted against him? Even once? No, to be blunt I am much more suspicious of you than I have ever been of him.

On the contrary, I will probably be motioning to vote off one of those two tomorrow, but we have to deal with the major threats first, and since you've been manipulating the scum since day one, that is most definitely you.

Ok, let me get this straight. The scum who have been killing our citizens are less risk than I am. Oh, right, I've been manipulating them since day 1, of course. Would you like to back that up with any proof? On day 1, they tried to convert me and on day 2 they tried to kill me. On day 3, as you will so loudly wail, I got one of them killed! If that's manipulating them, you'd better hope I can continue to do so or this town is lost.

Chief, you're a fraud. You're either scum or a coward. You've hidden in your vest and done NOTHING to help this town. Now you're actively trying to hurt it. If that isn't the definition of scum, nothing is.

[Dragonator]

Except for one problem... I've never once expressed a desire to kill the mayor, even after he attacked me based on mob claims. Not one time. Please show me where I have. Anyone. The only thing I have ever expressed is doubt about his loyalty, and I've done that with a lot of people... we're fighting a hidden mob! But have I so much as voted against him? Even once? No, to be blunt I am much more suspicious of you than I have ever been of him.

It's funny you say that, because you've been trying to convince me since day 4 to help you get him lynched. And you're right, you haven't said it in public, because you're not that stupid, you do all your manipulating behind closed doors, as many here can testify to. As I've said previously people, all I have done so far has been in the interests of the town, and as many of you already know, I'm doing so again. I swear to you, if Shaun turns out to be anything other than what I tell you he is, lynch me right on the spot. His arguments are full of rash assertions and baseless speculation, and the holes are showing.

I'm making a stand for my town, a stand for my people, putting my life on the line to see justice done. Once Shaun is gone we will be able to pick off the Mobsters with ease; with him here, he will continue to get in our way in his quest to enforce an anarchist state upon us by removing all forms of government. He's neutral and doesn't give a damn whether the town survives or not, as long as his goals are achieved. Hear me now people, if we do not deal with this Menace now then it will be too late to stop his spreading lies. I know you will make the right choice, townsfolk, we have done well so far and we shall not fail now in the face of his manipulate raving.

[Shadows]

It's funny you say that, because you've been trying to convince me since day 4 to help you get him lynched. And you're right, you haven't said it in public, because you're not that stupid, you do all your manipulating behind closed doors, as many here can testify to.

Typical. When asked for proof you can't supply it, only more claims that you can't back up. I haven't trusted you since day 1 when you looked to many (they've told me) like a potential scum boss. Ask Mr. Stash for confirmation since he has nothing to lose at this point. Others may step forward to admit this, or they may hide because you've so aggressively attacked me. Either way, it's the truth and anyone who looks back can see where you looked suspicious and apply logic to know that I wouldn't be stupid enough to tell you anything private, certainly not something that ridiculous. It's simply untrue and you're simply a liar. When I ask myself what you have to gain from lying, I don't like the answer much and neither will this town.

As I've said previously people, all I have done so far has been in the interests of the town, and as many of you already know, I'm doing so again. I swear to you, if Shaun turns out to be anything other than what I tell you he is, lynch me right on the spot. His arguments are full of rash assertions and baseless speculation, and the holes are showing.

You've done nothing so far, and now you want to fall back on the words of the mob. Stop hiding behind a little girl and stand up for yourself. If you think I'm scum, say so, otherwise shut up, sit down, and learn from someone who has actually gotten the job done around here.

I'm making a stand for my town, a stand for my people, putting my life on the line to see justice done.

You're the only person in this town who isn't putting their life on the line. You refuse to attack the scum because they aren't a threat to you and your vest, instead you attack me because you believe a lying bitch who claims I'm out to get you. Boo. Did you wet yourself, scaredycat?

Once Shaun is gone we will be able to pick off the Mobsters with ease;

Like you did with your own officer who tried to murder me? Right, we saw how good you were at that. Or how well you protected the scum boss' husband who was killed by her while she was in your custody. BRILLIANT!

Keep selling your lies, but don't expect to find many intelligent customers.

[Dragonator]

Typical. When asked for proof you can't supply it, only more claims that you can't back up.

Hypocrite much? Let's face it, it's my word against yours here, except in my case I actually have the supporting evidence of several other people to back me up, and you have absolutely nothing.

We can bandy words back and forth all day, but when it comes right down it, truth will always prevail in the face of your fabricated lies. Nobody is going to support you other than your Scum backers; you're done for Shaun. Your attempted reign of terror in this town is at an end. You can't defend yourself against a single point I've made so far, so you've been forced to resort to trying to ruin my good name with lie after lie. I'm glad to say, my town isn't stupid, we can see through your lies, and the with your conviction the truth will be revealed.

You've done nothing so far, and now you want to fall back on the words of the mob. Stop hiding behind a little girl and stand up for yourself. If you think I'm scum, say so, otherwise shut up, sit down, and learn from someone who has actually gotten the job done around here.

I don't think you're scum, as I've said already; I know for a fact you are a scheming, manipulative neutral who will stop at nothing to ensure anarchy is brought to this town. You've sided with the scum before, you've betrayed them before, and you will do it all again to achieve your ultimate aims; it is clear you have no morals whatsoever. You cannot be trusted to help this town, and with your anarchist agenda you are a danger that must be stopped immediately. Notice the lack of support you have right now? Yeah, that's the sound of the lynch mob, preparing for your burning, witch.

Like you did with your own officer who tried to murder me? Right, we saw how good you were at that. Or how well you protected the scum boss' husband who was killed by her while she was in your custody. BRILLIANT!

I find it hilarious you're trying to blame the methods of the voice in the sky on me, another feeble attempt at slandering my good name through baseless assertions and wild, desperate ploys.

As much as I would like to stick around and continue pointing out all the flaws in this moron's story, I unfortunately have my police duties to attend to (that is, I need to sleep ), however I shall be back shortly to enjoy the burning that will come once the townsfolk have convicted this arrogant manipulator. I've said what needed to be said (several times now ), and the facts speak for themselves. My honour, my life, my badge, I pledge to the truth of my words. It is time for us to put a stop to Shaun once and for all, and give ourselves a fighting chance at taking down the few remaining mobsters.

[Shadows]

Hypocrite much? Let's face it, it's my word against yours here, except in my case I actually have the supporting evidence of several other people to back me up, and you have absolutely nothing.

No, you don't. You haven't got a single piece of evidence, and the only people backing you up are doing so based on the word of a vengeful scum boss. I have to rely on Mr. Stash to back up that you're a liar, but that's still better than scum, you have to admit.

You can't defend yourself against a single point I've made so far, so you've been forced to resort to trying to ruin my good name with lie after lie. I'm glad to say, my town isn't stupid, we can see through your lies, and the with your conviction the truth will be revealed.

You haven't made a single point to defend against. You have no evidence because there simply is none. The same way I have no evidence that you are anything but an unfortunately stupid police chief who let his town go to hell. We're even there, but yes, the truth will be revealed, at least there is that.

I don't think you're scum, as I've said already; I know for a fact you are a scheming, manipulative neutral who will stop at nothing to ensure anarchy is brought to this town. You've sided with the scum before

The scum tried to kill me and I destroyed them for it. You have a twisted sense of reality, but the town saw the truth and you can't cover that with lies.

You cannot be trusted to help this town

Then this town is lost because I have helped them and they know it.

Yeah, that's the sound of the lynch mob, preparing for your burning, witch.

Now you're hearing things. You really should put down the bottle and try to do your job, even as poorly as you normally do it, it would be better than this witch hunt you're on. we all know how those go, a lot of innocents die because of one overstuffed leader who gets it in their head that someone is out to get them. Oh, look, it's you...

I find it hilarious you're trying to blame the methods of the voice in the sky on me, another feeble attempt at slandering my good name through baseless assertions and wild, desperate ploys.

I'm not blaming you for what the voice has done, only blaming you for being ignorant of it and trying to use it to make people believe a lie. Simply put, the voice led us astray. It told us there were two families and there are three, and it hid many of their actions to prevent us from discovering it. You can lie all you want, but you know that's true. That isn't blaming you for the situation, only for acting like it doesn't exist.

As for slandering someone, I've been slandered by the mob, and you've licked their hand and done as they wished. Congratulations for being their puppy. Shame you didn't feel such loyalty to the town or maybe we wouldn't be in this position.

Even with all of this, I am not out to "get you", you paranoid little man. I'm not out to get anyone who isn't a member of the scum. Mr. Stash specifically asked me to vote for him today to remove the protection that he feels is being given to the wrong people, namely you. You don't like that, but you can't go after him because then you'll lose your vest. Instead, you want to silence me. Well, you've failed at that. When this all blows up in your face, people will be able to look back and see that what I've said is true. You're a danger, either because you side with the wrong people or because you fail to go after them. You don't care, you're protected and as long as that is the case, you'll never even try to rid this town of scum.

[def]

I can't you lot are following Chief Drunk's lead in going after Dows. OF COURSE he wants Stash alive, Stash is his protection. I don't know that the old Drunk's scum or not, but it's pretty blinking obvious that he's not making his vote campaign for the sake of town, but for himself.

Dows is possibly a rabble rouser, Stash is definitely one.

[Peanuts]

What the hell has happened here?

I´m just away to get some coffee and now this...all has happened. I can´t even sum it up in one word.

So, let´s look. Stash is killing himself. What does he try to gain from that? He´s neutral, why should he sacrifice himself for the town? Very fishy. I don´t trust this.

I read this whole thing, and I must say, that I won´t vote for Stash, because this might end in some bad surprise.

So, I think Shaun has acted very fishy, when he immediately voted for him and so on...

I just go with the chief, who seems so eager to get rid of him, the mayor, who bets his life for his guilt, and the detective, who just follows the others, and everyone else who has voted for Shaun right now. The authorities can´t all be scum, no matter what Stash and Shaun tell us.

Vote: Shaun Dows/Shadows

[Sisco]

Vote: Shaun Dows/ Shadows

Hm. I've yet to see any real evidence for your innocence, Shaun. All I see is two grown men squabbling. Both, present your evidence for your innocence.

Stash, I know that the vests will become useless in killing you, but why sacrifice yourself for the town, since you are neutral? It doesn't make sense.

Shaun, present your evidence for innocence, and I may revoke my vote.

[Stash2Sixx]

Our police chief (Big LIAR) and the mob bosses have a vest, that much I know. Sorry, just realized that from 'looking things over.' So by me sacrificing myself for the town, the liar is succeptible to being taken out, along with the other mob boss. Also, the other Family-mob-boss-replacements, do they keep vests? I don't know, but if they do, here I am making sure that they actually have to rely on a protector and not just a vest.

As for Drake....Serious? after all the crap you spewed to me, and then you turn around and say all of this? WOW! You need to stop worrying about what's in your bottle! You've been doing that for too long and look what's happened to our town.

As I said before, I am neutral, yet I have chosen to side with the town. In order to prove my loyalties and show you all what I know, I am making this sacrifice. If you are unsure who to vote for, vote for me; then you will at least know that what I have said is true!

[Shadows]

So, let´s look. Stash is killing himself. What does he try to gain from that? He´s neutral, why should he sacrifice himself for the town? Very fishy. I don´t trust this.

Because it's the only way to stop protecting the scum who have his vests. He explained that pretty clearly.

So, I think Shaun has acted very fishy, when he immediately voted for him and so on...

Stash specifically asked me to so we could remove the protection from the scum. That's when I was attacked by the drunken chief who is afraid that he'll finally be at risk like the rest of the town. How is that fishy?

I just go with the chief, who seems so eager to get rid of him, the mayor, who bets his life for his guilt, and the detective, who just follows the others, and everyone else who has voted for Shaun right now. The authorities can´t all be scum, no matter what Stash and Shaun tell us.

I don't believe the authorities are all scum, but I do know that they're making a big mistake here based on the word of the dying scum boss. Are you going to do the same, especially considering that the chief is screwing your wife? (read back to Ron Canator, he reported this).

Hm. I've yet to see any real evidence for your innocence, Shaun. All I see is two grown men squabbling. Both, present your evidence for your innocence.

Stash, I know that the vests will become useless in killing you, but why sacrifice yourself for the town, since you are neutral? It doesn't make sense.

Shaun, present your evidence for innocence, and I may revoke my vote.

How can anyone prove their innocent? Can you? I've shown more than most by helping this town get rid of the scum, but no one can absolutely prove their innocence. If someone would simply investigate me, they would know the truth. The chief says I'm neutral, that would be easily discovered. He SWEARS I am, despite no evidence and only the claims of a mob bitch.

Prove him wrong, let me live, block me from doing anything tonight (I can't do anything anyway) and investigate my loyalty. Tomorrow, you'll see the truth.

[Peanuts]

Because it's the only way to stop protecting the scum who have his vests. He explained that pretty clearly.

Well, this I understood. But to clarify my question: What the hell does he gain from taking their protection? He´ll be dead after this, so there is no advantage for him, just for us.

And as we all know, the town´s sake is nothing a neutral would sacrifice himself for.

He won´t win this game of life if he takes their vests, I guess, and his side won´t win either, as he has none. So what is this thing about?

[def]

Well, this I understood. But to clarify my question: What the hell does he gain from taking their protection? He´ll be dead after this, so there is no advantage for him, just for us.

And as we all know, the town´s sake is nothing a neutral would sacrifice himself for.

He won´t win this game of life if he takes their vests, I guess, and his side won´t win either, as he has none. So what is this thing about?

What would you know?

I've been doing your wife for months now, and you never suspected a thing! Sorry Alice, I couldn't keep our afternoon sessions a secret any longer.

[Walter Kovacs]

Wow. A lot has happened since I started to meditate on the facts. I will need some time to review what has been said before deciding on which side I stand. But first, some things need to be clarified.

There was no indication of 3 families until today. This hasn't exactly been the most clearly informative game...of life ever.

It's already been noted that it appears three conversions were attempted on Night 1. I have trouble accepting that Sandy was able to try twice in one night. I think Frank White was the so called "Man without Luck" proclaimed in the newspaper headlines. He tried and failed to convert Drake (and just why did he fail there, Drake?). He tried again to get the recently deceased Rick Russian, prompting him to say "Not again."

Also, on Night 5 Frank White was already behind bars. Yet there were two conversions that night. The signs for the third family were out there. No one picked up on the facts.

Chief of Police Drake Nader (Dragonator) - This clown has a vest. He cannot be killed at night. This guy has been feeding me bits for days now, but lying between his teeth the entire time. I’m sure of it.

Police Man Abe Hollis (ADHO15) – I have no clue on this guy. I haven’t talked to him other than things he has said in front of everyone. Seems to be playing very low key…

Detective Quinn Mann (Quarryman) – Everything he has said to me has been tongue-in-cheek. Watch out for this guy.

Mayor Flint Wick (professor flitwick) – This guy has let the mob ravage our town, now with three families! I wouldn’t be surprised if he was running a secret mob family from the government offices.

Erwin Long (Eskallon) and Ian Deed (Iamded) – these two used to be professional hitmen.

Dick “Defiant” Dillard (Def) – He was converted over to the Ronzoni/Ronzini Family.

Walter Kovacs (Walter Kovacs) – This guy has been trying to get info out of me for days, acting very suspicious. Then he claims he knows who attacked me but isn’t sure if he should say something… WOW. This guy is so full of it, I wonder what color his eyes are?

Mrs. Alice Nutter (Alice) – Scum, was converted a while back to Ronzoni/Ronzini Family, but still has bs proof of her innocence.

Yes, I have been trying to get info out of Stash for days. Why? Perhaps because I CAN SEE NIGHT ACTIONS AND PROVIDE SOME PROOF TO HIM? Yet he never trusted me, and now has made a personal attack on me as well.

[def]

Yes, I have been trying to get info out of Stash for days. Why? Perhaps because I CAN SEE NIGHT ACTIONS AND PROVIDE SOME PROOF TO HIM? Yet he never trusted me, and now has made a personal attack on me as well.

I got your back, bub. I haven't seen you do anything that wasn't town.

Let's turn the tide and take out the scum-working Stash.

[Eskallon]

Vote: Shaun Dows (Shadows)

You have been debating for the last few hours and I have had enough, I don't really care if a neutral dies, yes I am a hypocrite (As you will see another time) but you don't matter. I have killed people in the past, some actually deserved it and some didn't. One bloody death won't matter, especially when there is a whole world which we should be looking out for. You will just keep on killing the gorvermental figures if we don't get rid of you today. I mean come on at least lay lower down if you want to stay alive, even after what's his name started the vote after you.

Yes, I used to be a 'Hitman' but I prefer the word 'assassin'. I killed for money and God I am frickin rich now. I killed and to be honest I don't feel great about it but I did what I did and there is no point going over about it. I have already lost sleep in the past about me killing innocent people. My 'assistant' was Ian Deed and he too is a very rich man now. At the moment I am trying to work things out but I don't have a night action and am in that sense useless.

Let's turn the tide and take out the scum-working Stash.

You know what, I can't tell if you are being serious but if you are then just go F**k off. He is done shit loads more than you have and more than I have so all you twat's out there voting him off and being serious about it then I think you are the real scum so watch your backs.

I am going for a Beer, SOME of you will be welcome to come too if your heads are done in.

Yes, I have been trying to get info out of Stash for days. Why? Perhaps because I CAN SEE NIGHT ACTIONS AND PROVIDE SOME PROOF TO HIM? Yet he never trusted me, and now has made a personal attack on me as well.

Sorry but I had to add, this I believe. I can actually understand this and I don't suspect you really in any way.

[The Legonater]

Well, after sorting through a bunch of insults, I find myself a genious impressed. So Stash reveals what 'little' she knows, and points the figurative gun at her head. Then Shaun pops up defending himself from every flank. Personally, Proffessor Shaun looks like he's trying to get himself accused. It's almost amusing. But in the end, we can't let Stash die- if she does, any mor epotential information dies with her. On the other hand, if she gets killed, we know people want her dead, perhaps for revealing everything. Whatever the conclusion, this has to end with her not convicted. And meanwhile, Proffessor Shaun is going nuts. But besides, what do we have to lose besides maybe a townie by killing the proffessor? And if he turns out to be scum, well hey- one down.

Besides, we were told at the begging to kill Shadows.

Oh, and Vote: Shaun Dows/Shadows

[Admiral Ron]

I am afraid I must back our Polic Chief on this one. If he is wrong today, we all know what will happen to him tomorrow.

Unvote Stash/ Stash2sixx

Vote Shaun Dows/ Shadows

[Stash2Sixx]

I am all man buddy!!!

[RileyC]

Well, isn't this interesting? Shaun has put up a fight. I think the most reasonable answer here is to vote for no one. Now yes convictions are good, but I feel there is too much happening and my head is swimming (or that could be the rum I had)!

Unvote: Shaun Dows / Shadows

[Professor Flitwick]

Well, isn't this interesting? Shaun has put up a fight. I think the most reasonable answer here is to vote for no one. Now yes convictions are good, but I feel there is too much happening and my head is swimming (or that could be the rum I had)!

Unvote: Shaun Dows / Shadows

You ought to get Doctor Leg to look at your spine; I think it may be missing. Shaun has been arguing for a defence all day long, why back out now when we had reached the minimum amount of votes for lynching!

[Dragonator]

Well, isn't this interesting? Shaun has put up a fight. I think the most reasonable answer here is to vote for no one. Now yes convictions are good, but I feel there is too much happening and my head is swimming (or that could be the rum I had)!

Unvote: Shaun Dows / Shadows

Coward, be a man and stand up for the truth. It is a bit unclear considering the odd voting rules, but I believe now that we've got the minimum required vote you can't unvote.

3. During days, there is a 24 hour period before anyone can vote. Once the majority decision is reached, you cannot unvote the player in question anymore. Days will run for 72 96 hours.

No matter though, my position is clear and Shaun's guilt is clear, so I know as the townies gradually trickle in here they will see the truth and vote against him. I have to be brief as duty calls, however I must say I am proud of those of you who are making a stand today against an anarchist and a lying manipulator; as you will see tomorrow, it will all pay off for the good of the town, kill me if it doesn't. There are a lot of lies, blatant fabrications and empty words flying around today that will try to confuse you people, but I urge you, stick to the facts, stick to the truth, and the town will triumph.

[Quarryman]

I can't see how a person who's admitted to wanting to kill the government, or as he also said "authority figures" (Shaun's words) can be working for the good of the town. So to me the choice is clear, vote for Shaun.