Hero Factory 2011

[Brickthing]

However, the lack holes for pins/axles and such is a downside IMO.

This change is definitely something that takes some getting used to, but when you think about it, it isn't that big of a change. Armour pieces such as Metru, Piraka and Inika thigh armour only have one TECHNIC connection point for the armour to be attached - they don't have excess pin/axle attachment points for other things to be attached. The new armour pieces are like the old ones, only they use a balljoint instead of a TECHNIC pin hole, which is still compatible with BIONICLE building.

It's also good that the skeleton pieces still use purely BIONICLE connection points - ball joints and then pin holes for longer limb pieces. The skeleton pieces are essentially BIONICLE pieces that facilitate the new armour pieces.

[VBBN]

sure would be nice to get a hero in...gold...maybe even some white thrown in there

 

 

[fuzz10]

wait what do u meen updated fire lord

I've merged this topic into the Hero Factory 2011 topic. Please also remember to use proper spelling and punctuation.

Edited December 2, 2010 by Brickthing

[user]

wait what do u meen updated fire lord

Please PLEASE don't press the "reply topic" button, next time press the plain "reply" under the post! You just created a brand new topic and nobody knows what your talking about and it ends up just being spam.

[Aethersprite]

There are only 2 things about the Fire Lord that I like:

1) The helmet. Note that I'm not a fan of the double sided head. But the face still looks pretty cool, and the gunmetal colour is awesome and fits him completely. Also, is it just me, or does Fire Lord's face resemble movie Teridax? He comes to mind whenever I look at FL's helmet.

2) The two printed pieces. These 2 are probably the best printed pieces of HF 2011. The magma is just lovely, no weird symbols or anything.

[Refia]

Well, now that we have pictures of the sets themselves, I can have final judgement. And the heroes turned out worse than I expected. =/ Those feet are HORRENDOUS. It's probably just me, but those look BAD. =X The new heads aren't that great, and Furno looks just plain bad with those nerdy goggles and clown feet. That's what he is, a clown, and a bad one at that. I wouldn't touch him even if he were the last lego set on earth. The others are a bit better, but I think the weapons look bland and uninteresting, the builds lack personalized pieces (unlike say, Stringer's sound armor, for example. that helped tone down clone-ism), and I personally find the new hand piece very bad. So blocky. =X That's the feeling these new heroes give me: blocky, low budget, cheap action figures with no appeal at all that you usually find in Happy Meals. I'm sorry if the LEGO staff feels offended, but I just don't like these one single tiny bit. If this is the price to pay for elbows and knees, then give me the 2010 heroes back ANY day.

The villains are a bit better, but not by much. Of them, I can say that I only really like Jetbug, somewhat. Drilldozer had some good ideas, but that weapon drill looks just so bad it ain't even funny. Nitroblaster, same, good ideas, but he doesn't look good. That long, empty face seriously needs fixing.

I'm not a fan of those printed parts either. There's only 1 of them, and I find that annoying. Yeah, call it a stupid reason to complain, but I can't help it. Nor am I a fan of this new building system. Through the years the figures became easier and easier to build, and now we've arrived at this point, where the construction is so simple it's not fun anymore. The build was always the reason why I bought Bionicle / Hero Factory, and now there is no (interesting) build anymore to speak off. I'm especially annoyed that they applied this new system to Fire Lord as well, apparently. I hate that. I've always bought the titan sets because they had the build the smaller sets lacked. Now even that has been taken from me. For fans of the old building system, who liked the old Bionicle-style building, there's nothing left anymore.

So that's it. No more HF for me, aside from maybe, very maybe, if I can find him at a very low price, Jetbug. To see if the new system is really as bad as I think it is.

Now I'm going to get 160 euros for those much better technic sets with some building meat.

[vexorian]

the builds lack personalized pieces

I love this.

I hope/wish it was a new rule not to ever have sets with unique parts in HF. It was one of the downfalls in Bionicle. To rely on making new molds instead of caring on other things.

I'm not a fan of those printed parts either. There's only 1 of them, and I find that annoying. Yeah, call it a stupid reason to complain, but I can't help it. Nor am I a fan of this new building system. Through the years the figures became easier and easier to build, and now we've arrived at this point, where the construction is so simple it's not fun anymore. The build was always the reason why I bought Bionicle / Hero Factory, and now there is no (interesting) build anymore to speak off. I'm especially annoyed that they applied this new system to Fire Lord as well, apparently. I hate that. I've always bought the titan sets because they had the build the smaller sets lacked. Now even that has been taken from me. For fans of the old building system, who liked the old Bionicle-style building, there's nothing left anymore.

A lot of fans are complaining about the new system. But note that I can probably see the same complains appearing among comments from the time in which studless replaced studful in Technic sets and when Bionicle appeared the first time.

Fire lord looks bad in the prelims, and I knew it was not going to change by much. They are basically starting from zero again in regards to the titan build system. If you remember the first titan from the Bionicle build system era, Blaster, he was pretty much like the Kaita. It took Bionicle a lot of years and new molds to develop a good titan build using Bionicle's build system. considering that Takanuva was probably the first titan that had both good strength AND articulation in legs AND arms, and that it was released 8 years after Blaster, it really does show how difficult it is going to be to have a titan using the new system...

Another thing is, that the hero sets now have a lot more building than the 1.0 version. You even get to build the shields and the helmets. They have much better piece ratios. If you compare the new heroes to Bionicle canister sets , it is a bit unfair. Their intended audience and price range makes them compete with the Bionicle stars. And the stars had much less of a build experience than even the 1.0 heroes. The villains are worse off than 2009 glatorians, but the new villains are looking much better in regards to build time than the 2010 ones IMHO. The new system is increasing the piece counts and the number of things to do when building figures. I like that.

[Aethersprite]

I know one of you mods have Breez. Who is it, own up! One more review and we're finished for 2011! (No, no one cares about Fire Lord.) And it's just the second day of December!

[vexorian]

I care about fire lord. Him being so ugly makes him a very good piece pack.

Here you can picture Breeze's review: Take Nex, replace yellow with green, enjoy.

Edited December 2, 2010 by vexorian

[Aanchir]

I care about fire lord. Him being so ugly makes him a very good piece pack.

Here you can picture Breeze's review: Take next, replace yellow with green, enjoy.

I actually think the final design of Fire Lord is fairly appealing. Have you seen the image on Darth Vader's flickr?

The only place that's lacking seems to be his upper legs. His legs in general have changed dramatically since the prototype stage-- for instance, they were originally going to use this piece from Drilldozer for a much less attractive means of support. Now their design is much simpler and for the most part more appealing.

His color scheme has been amended since the prototype stage. Gone are the extraneous dark red and bright yellow that helped to dismantle the prototype's color scheme. Also gone are the transparent fluorescent reddish-orange pieces that adorned the prototype-- nice pieces in a nice color, but they contributed little to the actual set.

Overall the apperance is a lot more unified than previously anticipated. Once DV has a full review of the big guy, we can see if it's just his brilliant photography that makes Fire Lord look so awesome or whether he can actually survive on his own merits. But so far, I'm impressed.

[vexorian]

It's the legs. They have looked like that ever since the prelims and didn't change. They look like a mess. Almost like a low quality MoC from the first years of Bionicle. They look bad to me and it is very hard to picture them working well when playing with him or posing him. For a titan, it is almost 80% about the legs, the legs make the titan. You can see more of the legs here:

Something I noticed about the villains is that the flame piece is a solid color. I just wish it was the trans bright orange that is normally used in system.

Edited December 2, 2010 by vexorian

[Aanchir]

It's the legs. They have looked like that ever since the prelims and didn't change. They look like a mess. Almost like a low quality MoC from the first years of Bionicle. They look bad to me and it is very hard to picture them working well when playing with him or posing him. For a titan, it is almost 80% about the legs, the legs make the titan. You can see more of the legs here:

Something I noticed about the villains is that the flame piece is a solid color. I just wish it was the trans bright orange that is normally used in system.

I don't see anything wrong with legs, besides the fact that they get ridiculously thin at the hips. The upper legs did change a great deal from the prototype-- only thing that stayed the same is the size and the long orange joints the rest of the legs are built around. The lower legs are about the same as in the prototype, but in the picture you linked to those look perfectly all right.

I don't think the legs will have any problems during play or posing. They look rather sturdy to me. Guess we'll have to see once a review emerges.

[Refia]

My biggest gripe with Fire Lord is the price. We're going to have to pay 20 euros for a guy that takes 5 minutes longer to build than the other villains? Seriously? Because let's be honest here, if we take a good look at him, he's snapping ball joints together and that's it. He can't hold a candle to Von Nebula and Rotor, and definately not worth the price. If they'd sell him at the villain price, yeah, that might be more fair, considering what you get. He's villain with longer legs, really. And yes, those upper legs look like twigs. It's ridiculous, when you consider what wonderful titans we've been having the last few years of Bionicle and the first of Hero Factory. =/ He just isn't a worthy succesor.

[CabooseBM]

Nor am I a fan of this new building system. Through the years the figures became easier and easier to build, and now we've arrived at this point, where the construction is so simple it's not fun anymore. The build was always the reason why I bought Bionicle / Hero Factory, and now there is no (interesting) build anymore to speak off. I'm especially annoyed that they applied this new system to Fire Lord as well, apparently. I hate that. I've always bought the titan sets because they had the build the smaller sets lacked. Now even that has been taken from me. For fans of the old building system, who liked the old Bionicle-style building, there's nothing left anymore.

Huh? I'm a fan of the old building system, and I LOVE all these new parts and the system they represent. The system here is amazingly versatile and I can't wait to use it. Sure, Fire Lord isn't terribly impressive, but neither was Von Nebula, really, and Von Nebula didn't have the excuse of being the very first titan in this system. Fire Lord at least has forearms.

[Zip]

I will probably be killed for this Eurobricks-style for even mentioning the name here, but Mega Bloks did have a similar system to that of the new HF sets called Struxx, made like two years ago.

Front said something about the designers building large models with this system, so I'm guessing it looks something like this?

Do you guys see how much potential this new system has? Titans can be larger and more flexible than ever now. I don't think Fire Lord is the pinnacle of the Titans, anyway. Let's see if summer 2011 will bring about what I posted.

Edited December 2, 2010 by Zip

[Refia]

Huh? I'm a fan of the old building system, and I LOVE all these new parts and the system they represent. The system here is amazingly versatile and I can't wait to use it. Sure, Fire Lord isn't terribly impressive, but neither was Von Nebula, really, and Von Nebula didn't have the excuse of being the very first titan in this system. Fire Lord at least has forearms.

Please, do tell me what set I have to buy of the new line if I happen to want one that uses the old system. Oh, that's right, there's none. Those people just got kicked in the balls. Thank you LEGO.

[Bfahome]

Please, do tell me what set I have to buy of the new line if I happen to want one that uses the old system. Oh, that's right, there's none. Those people just got kicked in the balls. Thank you LEGO.

Well you have about twelve years' worth of sets in the old system, so yeah sure that's a real testicle shot right there no doubt about it.

[Front]

By some strange coincidence you are able to combine System, Technic, Duplo, "Bionicle" and "New style Hero Factory" parts. Add Quatro parts to that, just to go to the extreme.

But you can't take a random part and connect it to another random part. Try and connect a cross axle to a 2x4 System brick. You can't.

Does that mean that a 2x4 System brick sucks, or that a cross axle sucks ? Not in my book.

[Zip]

But you can't take a random part and connect it to another random part. Try and connect a cross axle to a 2x4 System brick. You can't.

You actually can if you stick the axle through one of the holes. Pretty stable, too. Illegal method, but it works nonetheless.

[Front]

You actually can if you stick the axle through one of the holes. Pretty stable, too. Illegal method, but it works nonetheless.

lol, it's not even illegal (I don't think). You can position a brick like that, while it is sliding on e.g. tiles.

[vexorian]

I don't really see the similarity...

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Good old Bionicle, a theme that got and is still extremely bashed for "being incompatible with true LEGO". Meet Hero Factory II, which will be bashed for being incompatible with true LEGO from now on.

[ZORK64]

This change is definitely something that takes some getting used to, but when you think about it, it isn't that big of a change. Armour pieces such as Metru, Piraka and Inika thigh armour only have one TECHNIC connection point for the armour to be attached - they don't have excess pin/axle attachment points for other things to be attached. The new armour pieces are like the old ones, only they use a balljoint instead of a TECHNIC pin hole, which is still compatible with BIONICLE building.

It's also good that the skeleton pieces still use purely BIONICLE connection points - ball joints and then pin holes for longer limb pieces. The skeleton pieces are essentially BIONICLE pieces that facilitate the new armour pieces.

Hmmm... yeah, that's right, I haven't thought of it that way.

Well, I already fall in love with the skeleton pieces, especially the new limbs. They're actually the pieces I'm most excited about. They're awesome.

So it's mostly the new armour system I need to get used to, but yeah, old armour pieces hadn't much more connection points (I suddenly remember the Toa Nuva armour... the shoulder thingies had only one connection point, and the torso armour only two).

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First Edit

Oh, and I also care about Fire Lord because of all the pieces he has.

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Second Edit (Oh man, if my head wouldn't be attached to my neck, I'll probably forget it somewhere)

Anything new about that "Build your own Hero"-Thing?

Edited December 2, 2010 by ZORK64

[Refia]

Well you have about twelve years' worth of sets in the old system, so yeah sure that's a real testicle shot right there no doubt about it.

So now it's wrong to want something new instead of building the old stuff over and over again? Right, sorry. How dare I even suggest it.

Edited December 3, 2010 by Refia

[LuxorV]

So now it's wrong to want something new instead of building the old stuff over and over again? Right, sorry. How dare I even suggest it.

Ever heard of MOCs?

Anyway, we got it you do not like the new line. Now please stop repeating the same song over and over, and leave place for others to express their opinions. Thank you

[Refia]

Will you people stop saying you love it over and over again then, too?

And I don't have much with MOCs. I'm not good at it, and I hate taking my sets apart. That's not what they were made for.

Edited December 3, 2010 by Refia