badboytje88 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I know this won't change a thing for Shadows. And the person I am going to vote for won't get convicted. And I don't have any evidence to get the non-voters to vote for this person so that he gets convicted. I'm not even sure if this person should be convicted or not. I just think he's fishy and he needs to get his story straight. Vote:Martin Century Never trust aliens, they like to probe!
RileyC Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Jesus Christ this is some revelation! Your information is quite compelling and it sounds like you didnt leave a lot of info out so I think you are being honest. Cookie is prepared to ride this wave with you and Im hoping for a Sinister's head this time. Vote:Kevin 'Shadows' Mitchell (Shadows)
Shadows Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Your information is quite compelling and it sounds like you didnt leave a lot of info out so I think you are being honest. Did I miss the evidence? I must have been distracted or something. Oh, wait, there is none. How do I know this? Because I know that I'm not a sinister insane. Go figure. Please promptly kill those who have falsely accused me tomorrow when it is revealed. Consider today your evidence of their guilt and bring them to justice, just as you are so desperate to do today. If I wasn't already crazy ...
Peanuts Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Before the bandwagon gets in full swing and you make a terrible mistake, I'm going to let you in on a little secret... I am not like all of you, whether you're insane or sinister insane. I am, as the voice in the sky said in the introductions, harmless. I'm only a little crazy, the result of my wife leaving me and the world failing to recognise my inherent brilliance. Plus I might have gambled and drank a little. A lot. Whatever. The point is, I was supposed to be here for a short treatment then return to my regular life. I had hoped to simply protect myself and avoid trouble while I was here, but that has apparently left me misunderstood by a certain moron patient who shall remain nameless, despite his accusation against me. If you people make the mistake of killing me, you will lose someone who has an ability to help and killed an innocent man. If you do all of that, please be sure to kill Stash next. Crap, I said his name. But I am serious. He specifically told me he knew that I wasn't a sinister insane, yet he's started this today. At the same time, Jesus seems hell-bent () on using it to get me killed. I can only wonder why. So seriously, as I present no danger to you and am more than willing to help you in any way possible, I ask for your understanding and mercy. I also offer to proxy my vote to any one of you that the group agrees can be trusted. Beyond that, there is nothing I can really say. Geez, it isn't like I go around at night poking people with needles in their sleep. Of course there's nothing suspicious about that... So, you want to say that you're neither insane nor sinister insane, so you're neutral to our case? Interesting... I'm not sure wether to trust you, but I won't yet vote for you, as my vote isn't going to change your fate anyway, from my point of view.
def Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 Lynch Vote Tally Dr. Rajim/Admiral Ron: 1 (Penalty) Shadows: 6 (Stash, Hinck, Zepher, Admiral Ron, iamded, Roncanator) Martin Century/Stash 1 (badboytje88) Proxy Votes Dougie 'Jesus' Douglas: 1 (Zepher)
Zepher Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Sorry Jesus, I trust you, but rereading things, it looks like Shadows is correct. When you said some turned up with a not insane role, I figured that sounded rather, well, neutral to me. They don't want anyone dead. His accusations against you are unfair, confusion is always understandable, especially at this point in the game and with such a confusing ability, however, I think he simply wants to live to the end. So... Unproxy: Jesus (Hinck) Vote: Martin Century (Stash) Martin has been aggressive, and to make sure that Shadows is not killed we need someone else with more votes to take his place. So I will try to take down Martin instead. I hope some will join me in this. Also, just so people know, I trust ONLY Jesus, Washing Bear, and the King. Everyone else is still suspect to me.
Hinckley Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Sorry Jesus, I trust you, but rereading things, it looks like Shadows is correct. When you said some turned up with a not insane role, I figured that sounded rather, well, neutral to me. They don't want anyone dead. His accusations against you are unfair, confusion is always understandable, especially at this point in the game and with such a confusing ability, however, I think he simply wants to live to the end. So... Unproxy: Jesus (Hinck) Vote: Martin Century (Stash) Martin has been aggressive, and to make sure that Shadows is not killed we need someone else with more votes to take his place. So I will try to take down Martin instead. I hope some will join me in this. Also, just so people know, I trust ONLY Jesus, Washing Bear, and the King. Everyone else is still suspect to me. Don't be fooled. Shadows has a sharp tongue. He calims to be independent, not neutral. He can side with whichever side he chooses. He could have already chosen to be on the side of the Sinister Insane. The investigation shows up as insane or not insane. Let's use another example. If say the insane were called townies. The investigation could turn up townie or not a townie. I do not believe Shadows here and I think you are very foolish to believe him. He is only out to win. Independent can go either way. If you are innocent you cannot risk letting an inmate live if we know he could choose to be Sinister at any moment. Don't be foolish and fall for his lies. He's very convincing and a very skilled liar. But he is a liar.
def Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 Lynch Vote Tally Dr. Rajim/Admiral Ron: 1 (Penalty) Shadows: 5 (Stash, Hinck, Admiral Ron, iamded, Roncanator) Martin Century/Stash: 2 (badboytje88, Zepher) Proxy Votes None
Peanuts Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Don't be fooled. Shadows has a sharp tongue. He calims to be independent, not neutral. He can side with whichever side he chooses. He could have already chosen to be on the side of the Sinister Insane. The investigation shows up as insane or not insane. Let's use another example. If say the insane were called townies. The investigation could turn up townie or not a townie. I do not believe Shadows here and I think you are very foolish to believe him. He is only out to win. Independent can go either way. If you are innocent you cannot risk letting an inmate live if we know he could choose to be Sinister at any moment. Don't be foolish and fall for his lies. He's very convincing and a very skilled liar. But he is a liar. Er, one thing: we are all insane (except for Shadows, as he says), even the sinister insanes are still insane. According to you, they would be sane
Hinckley Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Er, one thing: we are all insane (except for Shadows, as he says), even the sinister insanes are still insane. According to you, they would be sane Read it again: the good guys are the insane. The bad guys are not the insane. Sinister Insane or Insane. Insane or not Insane. Townie or Not Townie. It's the different between scum and not townie. That make sense? I know this is all a lot to take in. Right now, I trust Martin (Stash), but I do not trust Kevin Marshall (Shadows). But, these are just my opinions from the information I've learned. One last time: My night action works on unprotected insane members of this ward. Last night it didn't work, I assume because Shadows in not insane. The investigator found Shadows to be not insane on the first day and another player to be insane on the second day. My theory is that the Sinister insane are considered not insane. Even if Shadows is independent as he claims, he has told me and the investigator and some others who I won't drag into this unless they want to be that he can choose whichever side he wants. He can choose sides! You want a free agent running around out there? One who is adept at lying? I don't. Well, those are my thoughts. I hope they make sense. I hope I'm right. Only time will tell.
Admiral Ron Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 There is a lot of info to sort through today, let us hope it ends with the death of the Sinister.
Peanuts Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Read it again: the good guys are the insane. The bad guys are not the insane. Sinister Insane or Insane. Insane or not Insane. Townie or Not Townie. It's the different between scum and not townie. That make sense? I know this is all a lot to take in. Right now, I trust Martin (Stash), but I do not trust Kevin Marshall (Shadows). But, these are just my opinions from the information I've learned. One last time: My night action works on unprotected insane members of this ward. Last night it didn't work, I assume because Shadows in not insane. The investigator found Shadows to be not insane on the first day and another player to be insane on the second day. My theory is that the Sinister insane are considered not insane. Even if Shadows is independent as he claims, he has told me and the investigator and some others who I won't drag into this unless they want to be that he can choose whichever side he wants. He can choose sides! You want a free agent running around out there? One who is adept at lying? I don't. Well, those are my thoughts. I hope they make sense. I hope I'm right. Only time will tell. That's complicated. And you know for sure that it only works on insanes, not just on insanes of every allegiance? I still belive Shadows is neutral, but day comes to his end and neutrals are inclined to team up with the scum, so I vote: Shadows.
Shadows Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 He calims to be independent, not neutral. Could you define the difference, please? He is only out to win. Is anyone here not trying to win? I know you're crazy, but that's just silly. Independent can go either way. If you are innocent you cannot risk letting an inmate live if we know he could choose to be Sinister at any moment. I've already offered to proxy my vote to whomever the group decides, how exactly could I "go either way" at that point? Don't be foolish and fall for his lies. He's very convincing and a very skilled liar. But he is a liar. Which lies are those? Could you please be specific, because if you can't, you're the liar, aren't you? I would challenge any of you to show me a single lie I've told. Anyone? How about evidence to accuse me of anything? Anyone? There is a lot of info to sort through today, let us hope it ends with the death of the Sinister. I guarantee it won't if you kill me, and even Jesus admits that. Why is he so determined to crucify me and let the real threat to the group go free? and neutrals are inclined to team up with the scum Since I don't know who they are any more than the insane do, how would that work? Why team up with the smaller group knowing that they can't be trusted anyway? You're still not any brighter than you were the last time we spoke.
Rick Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 One last time: My night action works on unprotected insane members of this ward. Last night it didn't work, I assume because Shadows in not insane. I'm willing to believe your findings for now. I'm just confused about the use of this night action if it can only be used on 'regular' insanes (or townies as you put it). The investigator found Shadows to be not insane on the first day and another player to be insane on the second day. My theory is that the Sinister insane are considered not insane. That would conflict with the wording that is used by Dr. Bloodbrick who clearly refers to 'Insane' and 'Sinister Insane'. So, I have a hard time believing that Sinister Insane are referred to as 'Not Insane'. But, as you indicate there could be a third group or individual that is 'Not Insane', i.e. an independent or neutral player. And, you say we have a daytime investigator that sees allegiances in addition to the investigator that passed the night-time photo to Dr. Rajim, who supposedly sees night time wanderings? I reserve judgment until I here from out Martian friend Martin. He must have found out a lot to first suspect all staff, then go after Dr. Rajim, and finally change again to Kevin 'Shadows' Mitchell.
Shadows Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Last night it didn't work, I assume because Shadows in not insane. The night you stabbed the King with a needle? You can do that twice in a night? How unusual. The investigator found Shadows to be not insane on the first day Proving I'm not sinister insane. Why don't you try to catch one of them, assuming you aren't one. Like I've said, I'll proxy my vote to whomever the group chooses, so that's one more vote against them, as opposed to killing an innocent man, wasting the day, and losing my vote in the future. I reserve judgment until I here from out Martian friend Martin. He must have found out a lot to first suspect all staff, then go after Dr. Rajim, and finally change again to Kevin 'Shadows' Mitchell. He certainly has gone through a lot of targets in a short time. Considering that he specifically told me during the first night that he had cleared me that day. Why would he tell me his specific role if he didn't know I was safe? And if he did do that mistakenly and I had been bad, wouldn't he be dead now? I honestly don't understand what he's doing, but I do strongly suspect that he's being influenced by someone who wants me dead for their own reasons. It's the only possible reason for him to accuse someone he knows isn't sinister.
Admiral Ron Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I guarantee it won't if you kill me, and even Jesus admits that. Why is he so determined to crucify me and let the real threat to the group go free? We shall take our chances, if you do turn out to be innocent, we know who to convict tomorrow. And, you say we have a daytime investigator that sees allegiances in addition to the investigator that passed the night-time photo to Dr. Rajim, who supposedly sees night time wanderings? I reserve judgment until I here from out Martian friend Martin. He must have found out a lot to first suspect all staff, then go after Dr. Rajim, and finally change again to Kevin 'Shadows' Mitchell. Allow me to explain, this particular photographer took the picture at night, did not want to be exposed, so gave the picture to me to show the hospital. I am not sure if they are the only investigator or one of several, however. I believe our Martian friend here went after me because he wanted to go after all of the staff, which made me a little angry, and I posted that, saying that he was ignoring the photo, and all this other crap.
Peanuts Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 but day comes to his end Sorry for this nonsense. Me and maths... Since I don't know who they are any more than the insane do, how would that work? Why team up with the smaller group knowing that they can't be trusted anyway? You're still not any brighter than you were the last time we spoke. Absolutely no idea. But it happened often enough. And now, they at least know you. Because the smaller group wins in most cases and many of us shouldn't be trusted as well, as they are trying to kill you. I'm insane, remember? Anyway, I'll give you a chance. Unvote: Shadows
Hinckley Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 That's complicated. And you know for sure that it only works on insanes, not just on insanes of every allegiance? I still belive Shadows is neutral, but day comes to his end and neutrals are inclined to team up with the scum, so I vote: Shadows. No, I'm certainly not sure. Please don't mistake that. That is my theory based on my night action turning up a similar result to the Investigator. Could you define the difference, please? Neutral doesn't have an allegiance, isn't on either side. Independent could choose to be on either side. Which lies are those? Could you please be specific, because if you can't, you're the liar, aren't you? I would challenge any of you to show me a single lie I've told. Anyone? How about evidence to accuse me of anything? Anyone? I guarantee it won't if you kill me, and even Jesus admits that. Why is he so determined to crucify me and let the real threat to the group go free? Since I don't know who they are any more than the insane do, how would that work? Why team up with the smaller group knowing that they can't be trusted anyway? Don't turn on me. I'm trying to figure things out. You don't seem to have a logical explanation to these findings and you're getting defensive. In my view, this is making you look more suspicious. I do not believe that you are neutral. You told me you were independent and could choose sides. I believe you will choose sides and I believe you'll go with the Sinister because it'd be more fun for you to win that way. I don't see how Martin is a threat. You seem like a threat because you can switch your allegiance if it suits you. Even if you told us you are siding with us, you can switch allegiances without telling us and in a situation like this it's too much of a risk for the innocent to take. You're dangerous. I'm sorry, that's a very powerful role you have, to be able to choose sides. I think we should get rid of you because of that. No hard feelings. I'm willing to believe your findings for now. I'm just confused about the use of this night action if it can only be used on 'regular' insanes (or townies as you put it). That would conflict with the wording that is used by Dr. Bloodbrick who clearly refers to 'Insane' and 'Sinister Insane'. So, I have a hard time believing that Sinister Insane are referred to as 'Not Insane'. But, as you indicate there could be a third group or individual that is 'Not Insane', i.e. an independent or neutral player. Trust me. I know. But since the investigator didn't make sense of his/her findings until he/she saw the insane vs. the non-insane and we put it together with the results of my night action, this is the theory I'm working on. Please understand that is my theory. But, it's an educated theory and since this game is a little insane for some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if our night actions weren't a little cookey. And, you say we have a daytime investigator that sees allegiances in addition to the investigator that passed the night-time photo to Dr. Rajim, who supposedly sees night time wanderings? I reserve judgment until I here from out Martian friend Martin. He must have found out a lot to first suspect all staff, then go after Dr. Rajim, and finally change again to Kevin 'Shadows' Mitchell. Yes, the investigator I am speaking with claims to only be able to investigate during the day. I'm not sure that the person who took that picture was a night investigator or just a watchmen, who can see who's out and about.
Shadows Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Neutral doesn't have an allegiance, isn't on either side. Independent could choose to be on either side. Independent would be even more neutral than neutral, by my definition. It means I can't choose to become either side, I'm ... INDEPENDENT. As for working with either side, that could be true of either term, but I've already offered a way to control that. Don't turn on me. I'm trying to figure things out. You don't seem to have a logical explanation to these findings and you're getting defensive. If I had turned on you, I'd be voting. I'm just not pleased with false allegations both putting my life at risk and distracting us from the sinisters. As for findings, I don't even see any. Stash specifically said he knew I wasn't sinister and trusted me enough to tell me his day action. Why would he do that if he had any doubt? Since that was day 1, I can only begin to worry that he's been turned sinister, assuming that's possible. Why else would he suddenly reverse on me? I do not believe that you are neutral. You told me you were independent and could choose sides. I told you I was independent but never said I could choose sides. The reality is that I'm not as crazy as all of you and want to live. My best chance of living is siding with the insanes because you clearly outnumber the sinister, and I wouldn't even bet I could trust them (they have sinister in their name!). Even if you told us you are siding with us, you can switch allegiances without telling us You'd have control of my vote! If I tried to avoid that, I would be telling you and then everyone would kill me. This isn't very complicated to understand, even for an insane person. Yes, the investigator I am speaking with claims to only be able to investigate during the day. Interesting, he told me a slightly different story when he came to me on day one. I'm not sure that the person who took that picture was a night investigator or just a watchmen, who can see who's out and about. Why is it that we aren't even allowed to have shoelaces, but you can go around at night with needles and drugs? Oh, and how could you have tried to do to me whatever it is you do, when you did it to King (and were caught on film)? Can you stab multiple people a night? That's sort of strange ... Absolutely no idea. But it happened often enough. And now, they at least know you. But so does everyone else, and I'm offering my vote to the group. I'm one of you now, fully declared and openly announced. I've made my decision and I'll do better than most and actually put my life in your hands. You can't really ask much more than that. Anyway, I'll give you a chance. Unvote: Shadows Thank you.
Hinckley Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Interesting, he told me a slightly different story when he came to me on day one. The investigator figured out the finding after getting the results on day two. So the investigator had a different view of how the findings read until the results from Day Two showed up. My accusations against you aren't baseless. They're based on the results of two night (day) actions. You aren't offering much in the form of alliance or helping to explain what we've found and yes, the leaking of your confidential file, by you, has made it's way around and if we are to believe it, it does say you can choose sides. The way you are behaving makes me believe you have something to hide. You're acting like a cornered and dangerous animal. I explained to you my view of why an independent and a neutral are different and you just roll your eyes. You told me yourself you believed that there were no neutrals here based on information you've received. If there are no neutrals, who have no allegiances, there was a reason you were told you were independent. It's different than neutral. You can choose sides. You'd have control of my vote! If I tried to avoid that, I would be telling you and then everyone would kill me. This isn't very complicated to understand, even for an insane person. So why haven't you proxied your vote to Peanuts yet?
Sandy Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 It looks like many cards have been laid to the table, but the truth is still out there. Of course Jesus wanted to divert attention away from himself, and who'd be a better person to place blame than Shadows? I'm not doubting this "switcheroo" role Jesus claims to have yet, but he only said that it didn't work on Shadows - but that doesn't prove anything about what side Shadows is on. I'm not comfortable to vote either Shadows or Jesus, so I'm going the third route, and vote for the agitator. Vote: Martin Century/Stash This is my gift to you this year, alien freak.
Lord Arjay Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I agree that Jesus' claim is likely true as if he was lying there were far easier and more plausible things he could clam. However, this does not mean that he is certainly innocent - I don't doubt that the sinister would find use meddling with innocent activities at night. For now though, I'm inclined to trust him due to his actions during the day. Neutral doesn't have an allegiance, isn't on either side. Independent could choose to be on either side. That doesn't make much sense to me. You're stressing the differance between these two things quite heavily in your arguement, which is a rather weak point. If anything, I'd say that those descriptions are the wrong way around. We shall take our chances, if you do turn out to be innocent, we know who to convict tomorrow. Except he's already admitted being neutral - sorry, independant so that scenario is extremly unlikely to happen. Anyway I'll hold my vote. Although Shadows may as well have been non-existant so far, I'd rather we try to find a sinister today instead of settling for someone who only has the potential to go bad. At the very least it would be nice to hear what Martin has to say about all this, since he's apparently heavily involved.
Shadows Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 My accusations against you aren't baseless. They're based on the results of two night (day) actions. That doesn't make sense nor does it offer any evidence except your word (which has changed since we first spoke privately). Prior to day two, he was given enough proof to reveal his role to me and declare that I'm not sinister. What other day action could there be at that point? Are you trying to claim to be the second one and able to do things during the day then stab people at night as well? Do you expect us to believe you're that powerful? Jesus... You aren't offering much in the form of alliance or helping to explain what we've found You haven't found anything, I can't defend against that. The only thing I've been told by any of you is that I'm not sinister. Every minute we waste on me is more time for them to strike. As for my alignment, every unaligned character in history could choose who to side with. Call it whatever, it's neutral, except I don't have an ulterior motive like neutrals tend to. I've chosen to side with the insanes, which is the only reason I'm not recklessly throwing around votes like some people, I know it can't help. The way you are behaving makes me believe you have something to hide. You're acting like a cornered and dangerous animal. You only started this after your nighttime shenanigans were revealed. Who is really the dangerous, cornered animal here? If there are no neutrals, who have no allegiances, there was a reason you were told you were independent. It's different than neutral. You can choose sides. Neutrals have an allegiance to themselves and often have some kind of personal vendetta or mission. The can also choose sides and always do in the end. The reason I'm independent is because I'm unaligned, but have nothing to achieve. All I want to do is live long enough to get out of this hospital safely. I believe I can do that with the insanes, but only if you stop trying to manipulate them into killing me. So why haven't you proxied your vote to Peanuts yet? I offered to proxy it to whoever the group agreed to trust. Is that Peanuts? Do you speak for everyone and have you decided that he's the one?
Hinckley Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 That doesn't make sense nor does it offer any evidence except your word (which has changed since we first spoke privately). The only thing I said to you privately was "Oh, OK." It was sarcastic as I don't plan to fall for your lies in private. As for everything else you've said, I find no reason to defend myself. I'm telling the truth. That's what I've found, I've claimed they were my theories. I think I'm making good educated guesses. I'm confident my side of the story would prove true if I'm killed during the night or executed during the day. I have no worries about that.
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