CP5670 Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) If you ask me though, I think that there is some "bias" towards historic and town MoCs. Star wars in third place, Action themes in fourth but I don't remember the last time a space MoC was featured... Yes, I don't think the issue is so much that certain users' MOCs are favored, but that MOCs from certain themes and forum sections get it more often. This doesn't seem to be intentional and is just a result of the fact that the moderators are a lot more active in some parts of the forum than others. If you think something deserves a highlight, just send a PM to one of them and they will often put it up. Edited January 13, 2011 by CP5670 Quote
Capt.JohnPaul Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 It may be, but I don't think so. Look here. That was made by a Vassal. Not a mod, fellow, admin, a VASSAL. It was also front paged. So this proves the theory that popular members and mods only get front paged is WRONG. Incorrect, what ever you want to say it. It just is how much effort and how good something is. But that's a POV thing. I'm no admin so I don't know how they define "good". They could vote, only one could decide, a few high up people could decide, I don't know, but how about we make a criteria or definition of "good"? Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 My only gripes are the MOC expert title, and MODs front-paging themselves. The MOC expert title almost always goes to builders with an abundance of bricks, and time. Lego-stein earned MOC expert with more mini-scale mocs than I can count. Some members build small things and don't get front-paged/Moc expert. KimT does an awesome job, yet brickdoctor has made a ton of amazing Mocs, of small scale, that I think are overlooked. For example his T-74 was just something else,incredibly accurate, astonishing techniques, and a wonderful build. I'm sure very many MOCers could pull that off. If you at his moc-pages you'll wonder how some of his MOCs are constructed. IMO he's a MOC expert. MODs frontpaging themselves-I mean really? No offense, but I just don't think thats right. If somebody regards it as THAT good, I'm sure they'll put on the front-page. At least just wait for another MOD to see it, or PM them. Quote
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 My only gripes are the MOC expert title, and MODs front-paging themselves. The MOC expert title almost always goes to builders with an abundance of bricks, and time. Lego-stein earned MOC expert with more mini-scale mocs than I can count. Some members build small things and don't get front-paged/Moc expert. KimT does an awesome job, yet brickdoctor has made a ton of amazing Mocs, of small scale, that I think are overlooked. For example his T-74 was just something else,incredibly accurate, astonishing techniques, and a wonderful build. I'm sure very many MOCers could pull that off. If you at his moc-pages you'll wonder how some of his MOCs are constructed. IMO he's a MOC expert. Thanks for voicing your concerns. I think the problem there is we stopped handing that tag out for a while. We should look through our recent MOCers and see who's profile should be updated. I'm glad that people want to build here and post their stuff to share it with the community because they enjoy it, not just because they want a tag. It's great to see so many people working hard and we try to give out the expert tag accordingly. MODs frontpaging themselves-I mean really? No offense, but I just don't think thats right. If somebody regards it as THAT good, I'm sure they'll put on the front-page. At least just wait for another MOD to see it, or PM them. How often do you see this happening? Can you provide an example? Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 How often do you see this happening? Can you provide an example? A couple times. I saw a review self frontpaged most recently. It's not a huge issue. Thanks for voicing your concerns. I think the problem there is we stopped handing that tag out for a while. We should look through our recent MOCers and see who's profile should be updated. I'm glad that people want to build here and post their stuff to share it with the community because they enjoy it, not just because they want a tag. It's great to see so many people working hard and we try to give out the expert tag accordingly. Oh, I see, thanks for clearing that up, Hink. Quote
Ralph_S Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) My only gripes are the MOC expert title, and MODs front-paging themselves. The MOC expert title almost always goes to builders with an abundance of bricks, and time. Lego-stein earned MOC expert with more mini-scale mocs than I can count. Some members build small things and don't get front-paged/Moc expert. KimT does an awesome job, yet brickdoctor has made a ton of amazing Mocs, of small scale, that I think are overlooked. For example his T-74 was just something else,incredibly accurate, astonishing techniques, and a wonderful build. I'm sure very many MOCers could pull that off. If you at his moc-pages you'll wonder how some of his MOCs are constructed. IMO he's a MOC expert. (...) In some respects I'm sure the same that I wrote earlier in this thread about MOCs getting front-paged applies to the MOC expert title. A MOC that one person finds fantastic might not be all that impressive in the eyes of other people and vice-versa. I do have the MOC-expert title. I also have a considerable collection of parts, but I wish I had an abundance of time! Cheers, Ralph Edited January 23, 2011 by Ralph_S Quote
Derfel Cadarn Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 My only gripes are the MOC expert title, and MODs front-paging themselves. The MOC expert title almost always goes to builders with an abundance of bricks, and time. Lego-stein earned MOC expert with more mini-scale mocs than I can count. Some members build small things and don't get front-paged/Moc expert. KimT does an awesome job, yet brickdoctor has made a ton of amazing Mocs, of small scale, that I think are overlooked. For example his T-74 was just something else,incredibly accurate, astonishing techniques, and a wonderful build. I'm sure very many MOCers could pull that off. If you at his moc-pages you'll wonder how some of his MOCs are constructed. IMO he's a MOC expert. MODs frontpaging themselves-I mean really? No offense, but I just don't think thats right. If somebody regards it as THAT good, I'm sure they'll put on the front-page. At least just wait for another MOD to see it, or PM them. The moc expert tag can cause problems as I don't think a moc expert title singles out some people to be better than others, as I've seen plenty of nice mocs built by people who don't have the tag, as well as competitions won by people who don't have it. But, some builders who put a lot of time and effort in and produce very impressive builds regularly like to have a feeling of reward and recognition for their efforts and the moc expert tag makes them stand out. If the mods handed them out to all and sundry than the tag would lose its reward feel. Maybe they could create a moc expert grade system where theres a bronze, silver, gold expert tags. That way more could be handed out while still keeping a bit of prestige about the tag. But its not for me to say, I come here to share builds and discuss themes and mocs, not to receive tags, that really shouldn't be an issue. As for front paged mocs, yes there are a lot of great mocs that dont make it, but that's usually when there is a lot of other main news front paged. This is a Lego fan community here and we our all equal as we share the same hobby. Quote
Hinckley Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 A couple times. I saw a review self frontpaged most recently. It's not a huge issue. We're talking about MOCs. I'm OK with staff frontpaging our own reviews, and I believe I've done it with my own reviews. Either way, I would do that and am OK with other staff doing it because our reviews are news. It is important for us to frontpage them ourselves, especially if we are the first to review a set. We try to get other staff members to frontpage our reviews for us, but if nobody's around. I don't think we have any staff members who would frontpage their own MOCs or even ask another staff member to frontpage it for them. That's one of the reasons I like the group we've put together to run the site: there's a major lack of ego in our group. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 KimT does an awesome job, yet brickdoctor has made a ton of amazing Mocs, of small scale, that I think are overlooked. For example his T-74 was just something else,incredibly accurate, astonishing techniques, and a wonderful build. While I appreciate the compliment, it's really not that big of a deal. Besides, as the staff has said over and over in this thread, MOCs are not the top priority of the frontpage. And it's a T-47. Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 And here I am, upset that KimT started the blog after I posted my X-wing, which didn't make the front page... but that's apparently because I take terrible photos, so I kind of understand. I don't understand how the whole tag system works (drakmin got a Death Star with less than ten posts?!) but I've found it's generally better not to worry about it. It's nice when it happens, but that doesn't mean the people who get such treatment are 'bigshots'. I can think of two or three users off the top of my head who deserve "MOC Expert" but if the moderators don't think so well then that's that. Quote
def Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I can think of two or three users off the top of my head who deserve "MOC Expert" but if the moderators don't think so well then that's that. I think this type of phrasing is really negative and misleading. People get noticed when they regularly contribute. Occasionally someone makes a splash with their first post, but usually you need to become known. So to say mods don't think someone deserves whatever tag is really bitter sounding. The reality is that they haven't built their image up yet, not that they are considered unworthy. This whole thread frustrates me, as in my time here, I've seen plenty of users go from nothing to tag-fiend/ front page folk within months. The complaints simply don't ring true to me. Quote
Hinckley Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Occasionally someone makes a splash with their first post, but usually you need to become known. Also, our staff has become exponentially more social over time and we meet people at fan conventions who come and join the site. We meet a lot of incredibly talented people that way. If they start posting or bring us a new MOC, we try to encourage them to stay by giving them a tag. It's just a friendly way to welcome our real life friends to the site. This is probably why you see some people with that tag that only have a few posts. Again, it's certainly something our mods and regulators can take a closer look at as we head into the future. And, yes, it does bear repeating that the front page priority is news and set reviews. MOCs, while fantastic, are our soft news, we post to keep the front page from going stale. That's not to say they aren't worthy of the front page and sometimes we do find a MOC to post and wait until our news has had a chance to sit on the front page a little longer. And, of course, as our member base grows, there's more of a chance that we'll get people questioning our intentions. No big deal. We're happy to answer most things. We really have nothing to hide. We're a very laid back staff trying to organize and regulate a fun site about the fun things we do with a fun hobby. So, next time you find yourself asking "I wonder why this person has this tag or why this person is in this group?" ask yourself, "What could I be doing that would be more fun?" You may have more fun that way. Quote
CP5670 Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I can think of two or three users off the top of my head who deserve "MOC Expert" but if the moderators don't think so well then that's that. I doubt it's so much that they "don't think so" as much as they merely "haven't noticed." There are a couple of people in the Technic forum who I think certainly deserve it, but the moderators don't go there that often and have probably just not seen their stuff. As Hinckley said though, it's not something I would take too seriously. It's all for fun anyway, and people who frequent that section already know who the experts are. Quote
gotoAndLego Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I'd just like to weigh in that just a short time after joining, my first real MOC was featured so i don't think that's necessarily true. Quote
KimT Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I don't understand how the whole tag system works (drakmin got a Death Star with less than ten posts?!) but I've found it's generally better not to worry about it. It's nice when it happens, but that doesn't mean the people who get such treatment are 'bigshots'. I can think of two or three users off the top of my head who deserve "MOC Expert" but if the moderators don't think so well then that's that. There's a "MOC Expert"-tag?! Drakmin did one helluva technic X-wing and added his WIP T-47 as well. So we handed him the DS-tag as a welcome thing. It's not to be taken seriously - nothing is. Everyone deserves a tag at some point - which is why we've got the SW Fan Tag to equalize everything. This is all about fun and sharing our hobby. Sometimes I do frontpages, sometimes I prefer to read the topics in the SW forum. Sometimes I even visit the Technic forum to have a look for frontpageable stuff. Sadly I am only human - but do remember that we "Mean you no harm!" Quote
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