Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I'm not sure what you mean, I definitely know I'm stealing files every night. I just learned that I seem to assess the results wrong. What Jesus also said. I consider it really likely that you always read the results opposite of what they really are ('insane cop'). But based on two confirmed cases, we cannot rule out the possibility that you read the results randomly and thus cannot trusted at all (check mafiascum.netThe Psychology handbook for 'random cop').
yumiyoshi Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 So, if Petey Pirowski can discover who's insane or not, sane/insane wouldn't vote him. Instead Sinisters will try to kill him in order to be safe and sound. Still we need to discover who's arm was the one with the machete. It was blue and we have 3 names left: the twins and Mr.Nowhere. Mr. Nowhere as always been a bit shady to me, but I trust him more than the twins. They have such a special bound, and they're 2. Two men can put upside down a poor walrus or a poor bear. Can someone explain me why we should be against Pavlov? He offended me, but even if I don't like this patient, doesn't mean that won't need a real reason to lynch him. Petey, who are you gonna investigate tonight?
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Like Jesus, however sorry I feel for the loss of The King, I think we did the right thing by convicting him yesterday. We wouldn't have learned how to interpret the results of Pyro Pete otherwise (if he tells the truth of course). I feel horrible. However, theories were tested. We don't have a solid result from those tests but we have another direction to test. However, we have a power at our disposal. We can use the proxy tool to our advantage to see if we can weed out any Sinister. Follow along with me: Professor Diem suggested this and I think it's time to make it public. Yesterday we attempted to get a block of people to proxy their votes to Dragonator to see who would respond to one person having a great deal of power. It didn't really take off but I think the Professor's idea has merit. 1. We trust Salvatore. Martin was our investigator and investigated Salvatore and found him Insane. We know Martin got accurate results because his result for Shadows was correct. 2. It is highly unlikely that Salvatore has been converted since his investigation. On each night since Martin found him to be Insane the Sinister have killed someone. It is highly unlikely that the Sinister have time to kill someone and convert in just one evening. 3. If we are all in agreement to vote for Havel/sok then why not proxy our votes to one person to place that vote? 4. If we want to show unity and try to weed out the Sinister we can all proxy our votes to one who we trust and see who doesn't join us. We have the power in our proxy to see how the Sinister will respond. Is this tactic something we should have or could have planned behind the scenes? I don't know. Are there flaws in the plan? Maybe. But, we can't just sit around all day and just guess. Let's try something. We have plenty of time to unproxy if we find it's not working. And this is why I proxied to Salvatore yesterday. So proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator Can someone explain me why we should be against Pavlov? He offended me, but even if I don't like this patient, doesn't mean that won't need a real reason to lynch him. Because Petey investigated him and found him not insane. He found Bear and King insane and they both turned out to be not insane. So, the theory is, his results are opposite what they should be.
Walter Kovacs Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 It wouldn't be much of a plan if I didn't show some faith in it, huh? Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I'll stand with you again. Although I'm not sure if explaining the plan openly will skew the results. Skew is a funny word. Skew... proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator
Admiral Ron Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Dr. Raj, does your contact have any more photographs to share? Maybe Cat's killer? It appears we were wrong about the King. And I am afraid the photo I recieved this morning does not help us much, well, it helps Perry Noid I guess. The photographer said that they followed Perry due to his behavior from yesterday. And, unless he doesnt have a Night Action, he is Insane. I hope the three killed tonight shall rest in peace. And I still stand by Jesus. Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 It does skew the result, but we're running out of time. Time to make a stand and be more aggressive about weeding out these quiet ones. We can even count who proxies latest as suspicious, just as some of the more suspicious, quiet, members have been voting later into the day after a majority is inevitable. (Granted, the also knew we were voting out non-sinister. However, a pattern of voting late, makes a late vote seems less suspicious later... This game situation is going to drive me nuts.) I would like to point out that the vigilante killer who took out ThePenguin is different from the previous night killer. Last night was the first time that killer has used his/her gun. That leaves two killers out there. One is for the Sinister, the one who took out Martin and Bear. Whose side is the killer who killed Sparky Trunks on?
Lord Arjay Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 And a host of patients who post, but don't really contribute and are flying under the radar. That's a good point actually, this investigation thing has allowed people to go about unnoticed and unhelpful. In my eyes, Ted Tompkins continues to be the biggest offender however you are correct that my brother is doing the same. As for the plan, well I see no reason not to go along with it. Unvote: Havel Pavlov/Sok117 Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator
Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Alright, sounds like (somewhat of) a plan, but I'll be watching my proxied vote carefully though. Unvote: Havel Pavlov (I assume that's necessary first) Proxy: Ricardo Salvatore
Lord Arjay Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I would like to point out that the vigilante killer who took out ThePenguin is different from the previous night killer. Last night was the first time that killer has used his/her gun. That leaves two killers out there. One is for the Sinister, the one who took out Martin and Bear. Whose side is the killer who killed Sparky Trunks on? It was implied that more than one insane were given something to kill with. Cat Manuel was found with a grenade which means that he could likely also act as a vigilante if he chose to. At least that's how I interpreted it.
Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 It was implied that more than one insane were given something to kill with. Cat Manuel was found with a grenade which means that he could likely also act as a vigilante if he chose to. At least that's how I interpreted it. Or he just uses it defensively and the killer got lucky it didn't go off (a paranoid gun owner). But the grenade might also have been what made Sparky blow up into pieces. It's possible.
Bob Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Unvote: Havel Pavlov / Sok117 Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator I suppose we should trust his judgment, if he is insane.
Rufus Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 But the grenade might also have been what made Sparky blow up into pieces. It's possible. A possibility, but it suggests Cat had more than one grenade. It appears to be more of a self-defence role that didn't work, as Dr Blutz said in his letter. As for the vote, I'd be happy to proxy to a known insane. Proxy: Ricardo Salvatore
Ricecracker Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 My God, three more Insanes dead. After listening to what everyone has to say, I'm going to Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator. I'm glad Pete was able to figure out his results, so this should test to see if he's truly Insane, or playing us. I definitely trust Salvatore, and I believe his judgement to be sound. Hopefully we'll be able to finally rid ourselves of the Sinister! I'm still suspicious of Jesus, but definitely less so after having Pete come forward.
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 But the grenade might also have been what made Sparky blow up into pieces. It's possible. I don't a grenade could blow you up...and stack you into a closet... Did anyone notice that in the garden today were the deceased and a polar bear? Where's Hurley? Libby? Is this the Dharma Initiative psych ward? Are we in purgatory?
Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Did anyone notice that in the garden today were the deceased and a polar bear? Where's Hurley? Libby? Is this the Dharma Initiative psych ward? Are we in purgatory? I thought I was seeing things. Glad I'm not insane... Oh wait... right. No idea what to make of that... honestly.
Lord Arjay Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 I don't a grenade could blow you up...and stack you into a closet... Neither do I. I was more refering to this: We're wondering if the Walrus' death gave other ticking tomb bombs the trigger they wanted to indulge their vice... Which seems to point to more than one insane had the ability to kill.
Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 And, unless he doesnt have a Night Action, he is Insane. I'm bad at double-negatives. Would all Sinister be wandering at night? If not, this photo doesn't say much about Perry's allegiance.
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Which seems to point to more than one insane had the ability to kill. I think you are right.
yumiyoshi Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 But what if everyone, just to prove to be trusted, proxy to Ricardo? We would be at a stack. And Ricardo vote will be against the rules since we can't vote for ourselves... We need to find something more smart than this. Jesus is the messiah so he talks and everyone follow, but is one of the trusted one? Sorry if I've forgot something or if I've lost some discussion around. I need some answer and still I don't want to vote to kill when I'm unsure.
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 And Ricardo vote will be against the rules since we can't vote for ourselves... If we need to vote off Ricardo we can simply unproxy him.
Sandy Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 If we want to show unity and try to weed out the Sinister we can all proxy our votes to one who we trust and see who doesn't join us. We have the power in our proxy to see how the Sinister will respond. Is this tactic something we should have or could have planned behind the scenes? I don't know. Are there flaws in the plan? Maybe. But, we can't just sit around all day and just guess. Let's try something. We have plenty of time to unproxy if we find it's not working. But what prevents a Sinister from proxying their vote to Salvatore as well? It's pretty obvious now that Pavlov will be convicted, unless something totally new comes up. The Sinisters are most likely to just jump in the bandwagon along with the rest of us, even if it costs them one of their own - especially now that you've made this plan all public. The truth is that even if Pavlov was found guilty, we might wake up tomorrow with Petey dead and we'll be back to square one in our search for the naughty ones. So yeah, I'm not sure what we're trying to achieve here, but I'll go along with it to show my support. Unvote: Havel Pavlov/sok117 Proxy: Salvatore/Dragonator
Rick Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 And Ricardo vote will be against the rules since we can't vote for ourselves... No, the rules only state that proxy votes against yourself do not count. So, if Havel would proxy Ricardo as well, and Ricardo would vote against Havel, one proxy vote against Havel would not count.
Hinckley Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 But what prevents a Sinister from proxying their vote to Salvatore as well? It's pretty obvious now that Pavlov will be convicted, unless something totally new comes up. The Sinisters are most likely to just jump in the bandwagon along with the rest of us, even if it costs them one of their own - especially now that you've made this plan all public. But, it can still show us something. We start it now and stick with it, they can't always be happy to vote out their own. And we were running out of time. Getting a private message to everyone who we think trustable takes too much time, especially if they don't all agree. And what if I was telling a Sinister about my plan, thinking they were an innocent. I already had people I trust not fully on board with it, so this seemed the next best move. Something bold to move forward. We've already had some resistance to it from one member who we all thought previously suspicious anyway.
yumiyoshi Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Thank you for the replies: what about a tie? are there 2 people (as The Twins) that we don't trust? I'd like to point out that meat hooks are not that easy to hide nor find; the chief was heavy so we need a couple of killers (as some words of the President suggested) or a super intelligent one.
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