ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I just realized something: 1)I told you I can steal files. 2)By stealing files I can invetsigate. So if 1) is right, 2) is right as well. 3)I am insane. If 2) is right and I am an investigator, I am insane. Why would the sinisters need an investigator? 4)I got the results: Chief and King sinister, Havel not sinister, no file about Ted. So if 3) is right and I am insane, why should I lie? 5)Ted Tompkins admitted there was no file about him. How could I know if 1) was wrong? Possibilities: -One of my conclusions is wrong. I can't steal files, can't investigate, am not insane, didn't get thsoe results or Ted didn't admit it. Please tell me what is wrong. -This is all true, I am really insane. You shouldn't kill me. -This is all true, despite the fact that both me and Ted are sinister. Why should I want to vote for him? -something else I didn't imagine. Please tell me. I guess that adds up. Sorry for being so hasty. You can see my reasoning, though? You both make a good case, so it's difficult to know who to choose. Unvote: Petey Pirowski / Peanuts Dr. Blutzieg! Dr. Blutzieg! We need the camera! Get the camera!!! Of course! Please develop the film, doctor.
Zepher Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 What if Martin was insane, and got back negative results. He would have had no time to figure it out. He got back sinister for Shadows, and non-sinister for Salvatore. So... What if he told Jesus this. And Jesus and Salvatore were in this together, got him killed, and then used that one piece of knowledge to get us to all trust them. Salvatore even tried to get the protection aimed at him tonight, instead of on Petey. I know it's far-fetched, I'll admit that. But there's just something too powerful about the two of them. Because Jesus has a useful night action, I would advise everyone to vote Salvatore. If he dies and is a regular insane, we'll have lost him but kept Jesus alive, and prove he's almost certainly to be trusted. Please just read it and think of it, and try to follow me. I tand by that, unless anyone else has anything else. It's far-fetched and crazy and seems to have no value, but every conviction those two have led us on has been false. I really want to trust them, and every fiber of my being is screaming at me that I may be killing my most powerful allies, but at the same time, they are very very powerful, and I see no other options open today. Vote: Salvatore/Dragonator
ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 PS. Marty did have a point. There's bound to be at least one staff member who's a bad guy. I think that we should consider this. I'm not sure how, though. I don't think Marty's view of just killing them one by one is the right way to go.
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I tand by that, unless anyone else has anything else. It's far-fetched and crazy and seems to have no value, but every conviction those two have led us on has been false. I really want to trust them, and every fiber of my being is screaming at me that I may be killing my most powerful allies, but at the same time, they are very very powerful, and I see no other options open today. Vote: Salvatore/Dragonator The theory is crazy and voted off a verified innocent isn't going to help us. There's been a death every night since Martin investigated Salvatore. They can't have converted Salvatore in that time. We should have a moment of silence for the fallen. Havel Pavlov Poor sad Havel. He must've been so scared being dragged off to his death all alone. He died such a noble death, wishing us luck and hoping we would find the people responsible for this whole situation. It's so unfortunate that we lost such a gentle soul. He will be greatly missed and I hope we get the monsters who are behind all of this. Dr. Rajim He was the best doctor and such a great friend to all of us. He was so helpful, risking his life to follow people at night and boldly show the results. I hope we get the monsters that did this to him. He was a good man and I hope we can avenge his death. Tam Tam Timmers Um...He wasn't much help, was he? Didn't really say much, but losing an innocent is a bad thing. Condolences Tim Tam. Farewell to the fallen...
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Saying a staff member must be a sinister makes about as much sense as saying someone in a particular room is sinister. Statistically, it's likely that a staff member is sinister but I don't think we should vote of all the staff members just to see. We know there's at least a few sinisters in the entire asylum should we vote off everyone randomly just to make sure? That being said if we have suspicions about a staff member already, it might be okay to vote for one. I certainly don't think they're all saints. As far as Ted goes, when he asked a while ago for a brief synopsis of what was going on, I did contact him. I figured why not, right? He did mention then that he was special in a way that didn't really help anyone else but helped himself. I think what Ted is saying now matches what he said then. Sounds just as likely as anything else that's happened in this place. I'm gonna go gather my thoughts for a while.
ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 The theory is crazy and voted off a verified innocent isn't going to help us. There's been a death every night since Martin investigated Salvatore. They can't have converted Salvatore in that time. Verified by who? You? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Marty announcing it himself, just like you outed him as an investigator. If you were sinister with Sal, then you've guaranteed that we don't vote for him. Why not? Surely it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the killer and converter could be two different people? I'm not accusing you of anything, just challenging your statements. That being said if we have suspicions about a staff member already, it might be okay to vote for one. I certainly don't think they're all saints. Of course, that's what I was meaning.
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Verified by who? You? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Marty announcing it himself, just like you outed him as an investigator. If you were sinister with Sal, then you've guaranteed that we don't vote for him. Why not? Surely it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the killer and converter could be two different people? I'm not accusing you of anything, just challenging your statements. Traditionally, (metagame on) a Sinister shouldn't be able to kill and convert in the same night. That would give them too much of an advantage (on top of the one they already have) to reduce innocent numbers while increasing their own in one night. (metagame off) Of course, in our case we seem to be doing a fine job reducing our own numbers for them.
ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Traditionally, (metagame on) a Sinister shouldn't be able to kill and convert in the same night. That would give them too much of an advantage (on top of the one they already have) to reduce innocent numbers while increasing their own in one night. (metagame off) Of course, in our case we seem to be doing a fine job reducing our own numbers for them. No, of course not. That'd be too unfair. But, why can't one person kill and another one convert? Or by 'a Sinister' do you mean 'the Sinisters'?
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 But, why can't one person kill and another one convert? They can and have. I just hope they can't do both in one night. I doubt they could. If they could, Salvatore would definitely be their best target. But, can't we find a sinister before assuming Sal is one? It's quite a stretch to go after him until we start finding others. I thought I said I was taking a break.
ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 They can and have. I just hope they can't do both in one night. I doubt they could. If they could, Salvatore would definitely be their best target. But, can't we find a sinister before assuming Sal is one? I'm not so sure. It could be possible. Apparently not! I'm not saying we should all vote now, but it's something to think about.
Peanuts Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Without Dr. Rajim, you're our only hope for finding information. I wouldn't be so sure about that. I hope that Ted is sinister, and that other sinisters or every sinister in general has got rid of his file, but I can't be sure about that, as I can't be sure Ted is sinister. As a random investigator don't exspect me to get you that much of information. I guess that adds up. Sorry for being so hasty. You can see my reasoning, though? You both make a good case, so it's difficult to know who to choose. Unvote: Petey Pirowski / Peanuts I don't mind, you had good reasons to vote for me. And thanks for unvoting Verified by who? You? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Marty announcing it himself, just like you outed him as an investigator. If you were sinister with Sal, then you've guaranteed that we don't vote for him. I remember myself to ask him publicly about his second investigation and he told that he had investigated Sal insane. Just to clarify. No, of course not. That'd be too unfair. More unfair than a random investigator?
Rick Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Now this is not going in the right direction, another three of us dead. I'm puzzled at how to interpret Petey's night action... I still have a hard time believing he would get random results... I wouldn't be so sure about that. I hope that Ted is sinister, and that other sinisters or every sinister in general has got rid of his file, but I can't be sure about that, as I can't be sure Ted is sinister. As a random investigator don't exspect me to get you that much of information. So that would mean you'd get random results for Insane (sinister, not sinister at random) and missing files for independents and/or sinister? Unlikely... but is this really all we have to go on?
Scouty Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Vote: Mr.Nowhere/Scouts I have no idea who else to vote for. I'll take back my vote when I see some evidence proving that you're not Sinister. Was there ever evidence that I'm Sinister? Petey has had an unfortunate run. I don't know why that is. It's probably some cruel, sick joke, torturing our already feeble minds, casting us towards insanity! (You know, further towards insanity). I see where you're coming from, but we've just had bad luck, being amongst the Sinister and whatever special characteristics people have.
Peanuts Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Now this is not going in the right direction, another three of us dead. I'm puzzled at how to interpret Petey's night action... As am I myself. I still have a hard time believing he would get random results... Well, I've got both sinister and not sinister results, but all of them turned out to be insane. I don't think there's any other logical possibility. So that would mean you'd get random results for Insane (sinister, not sinister at random) and missing files for independents and/or sinister? Unlikely... I'm not sure, but I think I get random results for everyone, except for Ted and maybe even some others, whose files are missing. I have no idea wether if he's insane, neutral or sinister, but since some were suspect of him and there's no file about him and we don't have any other leads so far, I stay with my vote. But otherwise than the King and Havel I will take no responsibility for his death. but is this really all we have to go on? I'm afraid, yes. And since we have no investigators left save me, the random one, is't not very propable we'll get much information in future. I have no idea what we're gonna base future convictions on.
badboytje88 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 First of all I would like to let Timtam know that I am very sorry for his loss. Secondly I would like to Vote: Timtam Timmers, Spacetwin #1 (Lord Arjay Sinse he is the only person inside this institution with blue sleeves and yellow hands. May you and your brother be reunited asap.
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Is it possible that the investigation results show no file for Sinister? I think it is clear that Ted is, at the very least, neutral. He can't have good intentions for us if that is the case. He says his night action works neither for the Sinister nor the Insane, so he's very clearly out for himself. If we can't reach a decision on any of the other suspicious folks, he's probably our best bet. I'm sure we can't win survive if there's anything but Insane left at the end. Have we forgotten about the blue arm? There are two possibilities left for the blue-armed killer. I don't think "I encouraged everyone to follow Petey's investigation results" is a good defense for Mr. Nowhere anymore. If he was Sinister, of course he would encourage us to vote off the King. Then perhaps he killed Bear that night. Maybe Petey trusted Mr. Nowhere with his night action and in return Mr. Nowhere said "Yahoo! I can use this information to my advantage and get King and Bear killed off. Everybody trusts them, how else could we get rid of them." Blue arm and a perfect position to fake us all out. But, the yellow hand... Nuts. Tim Tam? He could be the killer. Professor Diem has a black arm... Ugh, I hate this. It's all so confusing. I almost don't even want to look at that damn picture anymore...
Peanuts Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 First of all I would like to let Timtam know that I am very sorry for his loss. Secondly I would like to http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=post§ion=post&do=reply_post&f=72&t=50932&qpid=903576 Vote: Timtam Timmers, Spacetwin #1 (Lord Arjay Sinse he is the only person inside this institution with blue sleeves and yellow hands. May you and your brother be reunited asap. You're right, I forgot completely about that. In this case, something better has shown up: we just have four people with blue or black arms: Mr. Nowhere, Timtam, the Prof and my humble self. Mr. Nowhere has a perfacte position, as Jesus has already said, but white hands. I myself have no such alibi, but nobody has said anything against my defense before, so I think nobody as found an error. Until one is found, I will consider myself as insane. Leaves the Prof and the single twin. We should remember the arm actually looked blue, so I would really lean toward Timtam. But for now something has shown up, so I will not longer bother Ted...for now. Unvote: Ted Tompkins/WhiteFang
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I myself have no such alibi, but nobody has said anything against my defense before, so I think nobody as found an error. Until one is found, I will consider myself as insane. I don't list you as a suspect because I believe your story. As you stated, how else would you know that Ted has no file. Perhaps we should try to use that picture we got from Dr. Rajim. Honor him for sacrificing his life by getting to the bottom of the picture his life provided for us...
ADHO15 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I don't list you as a suspect because I believe your story. As you stated, how else would you know that Ted has no file. Maybe the information just comes through him and he's not the investigator? He could be a killer instead. I unvoted you, Piro, but I still don't trust you.
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Maybe the information just comes through him and he's not the investigator? He could be a killer instead. Well, if we do have another investigator feeding info to Petey, I would imagine they would've come forward by now. Somebody has to have that night action to have uncovered Ted's file is missing.
iamded Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Hmm. It seems very urgent that we must find a Sinister today. So far, these are the people I trust: Jesus (Hinckley), Salvatore (Draggy), Professor Diem (Kovacs), Lupo (Rufus), Stanley Spussemmin (Murdoc), Petey Pirowski (Peanuts) Timtam Timmers (Lord Arjay) rouses my suspicion because he is a potential match for the photographed Hatchet Murderer. Then again, so is Professor Diem, which worries me. Mrs Beardface Misty Monroe (badboytje88) I find suspicious because of her actions the past few days, but I'm second-guessing that now, with her voting of the other Spacetwin... I'm not sure on this one... Another possibility I keep coming back to is Jesus is insane. Seriously, whenever I look at that guy, I hear Rolling Stone's Under My Thumb. What, that hasn't been written yet? Well, never mind then. But think about it, he could have been playing all of us that he talks to in the bathroom, right from the beginning. Or perhaps they're all scum, and are playing me. Oh, I don't like it when paranoia sets in... Statistically speaking, one of the staff should be Sinister, but I don't want to vote one out solely because of that. And the more I think about this arm in the photograph, the more I think it's meant to look how it is. This is the Sinister Killer after all, I wouldn't expect them to be an easy target for us. Maybe it is black, with a touch of blue to mislead us. I don't know! Red Herrings! I'm far to uncertain about everything right now. Perhaps I'll wait on it. No-one needs voting right away, still plenty of time in the day left...
Peanuts Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Maybe the information just comes through him and he's not the investigator? He could be a killer instead. I unvoted you, Piro, but I still don't trust you. You mean, I am in contact with an investigator, and claim that I got all of his results? What speaks against this possiblity? -The investigator might tell publicly that he's the real investigator -Claiming to be a random investigator might have got me killed. I could simply tell the investigator publicly and try to get by him another insane convicted, abd then act like "Oh, he was really a random investigator, who might have known? It was really an unlikely story. I don't think anyone would blame me if I did. IF I would take the responsibility for another investigator. What I don't do. -He might get suspect of me, like "Wait a minute, I didn't want to be target of the scum, that's why I told my results someone else. Now he claims to have my role? And the scum doesn't kill him? Fishy." -even much more. I apologize if I'm too harsh, but this is really the most unlikely possibility. I agree that I am still not very trustworthy, but you have to admit I got a fair point there.
Hinckley Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Another possibility I keep coming back to is Jesus is insane. I believe you mean Sinister.
iamded Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 I believe you mean Sinister. Right, right. But you're so damn nice, and thoughtful! But it's hard not to be suspicious of someone who has so many people investing their trust in them. Dios, this is frustrating. I wish someone could just investigate you already. But you've been blocked the past few nights, and I realise a Innocent Insane would have no reason to block you. Unless you're Sinister. Ai! Cójame, this is tricky... If at the end, you are Sinister, I will laugh and commend you on having played us all so well. But until then, I will keep you on my trusted list.
Lord Arjay Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Why would the sinisters need an investigator? Sinister who investigates to find out whether they can convert someone or not? Sinister who investigates to find out what someones night action is? Not sure but investigative ability doesn't mean that your confirmed insane. Tim Tam? He could be the killer. I must admit I'm not sure what to make of that picture. Look how far we've gotten testing out theories based on night results (I'm pretty sure this is why my brother is dead also). All how have died as a direct result of that have been insane - Shadows excluded. We thought that the King and Havel were insane but we voted them out anyway to test something. The result? Nothing. If you vote me out what will you do when I'm found to be insane? Will you then go after Diem on the basis of him having black arms? I don't know, it doesn't make much sense to me. Hopefully you won't all be too hasty and make the same mistakes as we all did before. Surely there must be an easier way of proving I'm not the killer?
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