8110 - Unimog U400 General Discussion

[grindinggears]

It have a four link suspension with a panhard link. But the light angle of the frontaxle speaks more for a torque tube.

I am not too familiar with all these technical words, so my guess that the unimog will have a torque tube with panhard link might be wrong.

What I mean is: the new piece with the green arrow allows the axle to swing up/down and twist. This system is stabilized by the ball-connector bar (is this the panhard link?)

We'll see how things will turn out when the set is available here, maybe Anio can get it earlier?

@dhc6twinotter

I am pretty sure that we see here a new U-shaped frame 4x5, you clearly see its end in the back

edit:

Torque tube mounted axle of a Unimog U1300L from this site:

Does someone have a pic of the axle of the real U400?

Edited June 5, 2011 by grindinggears

[efferman]

What I mean is: the new piece with the green arrow allows the axle to swing up/down and twist. This system is stabilized by the ball-connector bar (is this the panhard link?)

this desription is correct

[davidmull]

That part with the green arrow pointing to it does look interesting. Maybe it is part of a center differential? It could be the back of the motor, but it doesn't look quite right and seems to far to the center of the vehicle. Maybe it is some sort of new slip yoke (probably not, but I'm just dreaming). Interesting find!

The part at the orange arrow looks like a normal 5x7 frame to me. What you see in the picture is the long side with alternating pin holes.

What I find interesting in the photo is the link with ball pin. It looks like a panhard bar connecting the axle to the frame. Could it be that this model has a true multi-link suspension? If so, that would be awesome!

Is it just the picture or does the pneumatic pump look different than the normal version,looks bigger and what's the marking or logo on it

[Shasat Spacerider]

Is it just the picture or does the pneumatic pump look different than the normal version,looks bigger and what's the marking or logo on it

What pneumatic pump? Where is it???

[grindinggears]

Is it just the picture or does the pneumatic pump look different than the normal version,looks bigger and what's the marking or logo on it

Indeed it looks bigger than normal, ~7 studs in length while the normal pump is just 5.5 studs long. Where is the hose attached?

The marking looks really unfamiliar to me, maybe it's the first sticker applied to a pneumatic piston/pump; or is it a prototype?

Seems like our parts assortment for big and strong vehicles gets quite a decent plus this year :thumbup:

[nielsvdv]

my guess is that they are overhauling the pneumatics, adding new parts for it (bleu part) and small changes.

i think, it is a torque tube, as this set is gonna be sold even in mercedes dealerships, this thing is gonna be really close to the real ones...

think of all the unimog drivers and workers, this is in my eyes, a celebration to them!

for mercedes, they've let this scale model be build, in the most advanced technical building toy,

just to show how ingenieus they, and their unimog is. pure marketing! joint - venture?

...and we benefit :)

Edited June 5, 2011 by nielsvdv

[Alasdair Ryan]

my guess is that they are overhauling the pneumatics, adding new parts for it (bleu part) and small changes.

i think, it is a torque tube, as this set is gonna be sold even in mercedes dealerships, this thing is gonna be really close to the real ones...

think of all the unimog drivers and workers, this is in my eyes, a celebration to them!

for mercedes, they've let this scale model be build, in the most advanced technical building toy,

just to show how ingenieus they, and their unimog is. pure marketing! joint - venture?

...and we benefit :)

I hope allanp does not see this he will go crazy.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Alasdair Ryan

[allanp]

It seems to be a win win for everyone, lets make sure we buy lots of them so it's a win for TLG too!

I have also thought the pump seems a bit longer and have wondered what that white thingy is. I really do hope they continue to overhaul the pneumatics range because of course I think they have yet to make the most wanted part(s) .

Damb right i'll go crazy!

Edited June 5, 2011 by allanp

[Alasdair Ryan]

Looking at the pic it shows a white logo of some sort of the ram,it also looks a bit thicker as well but it might be the zoom of the pic amd am not seeing the inlets ether.

Edited June 5, 2011 by Alasdair Ryan

[nielsvdv]

Looking at the pic it shows a white logo of some sort of the ram,it also looks a bit thicker as well but it might be the zoom of the pic amd am not seeing any of the inlets ands outlets ether.

the white logo looksd like a 5 or an S to me. maybe the stroke is 5L? but doesn't seem like it. or is it an 8, that could be the lenghth, as they are changing the initial design.. maybe the pneumatic outlet is on the side and thats where the S stands for?

just dreaming :p

Edited June 5, 2011 by nielsvdv

[Alasdair Ryan]

the white logo looksd like a 5 or an S to me. maybe the stroke is 5L? but doesn't seem like it. or is it an 8, that could be the lenghth, as they are changing the initial design.. maybe the pneumatic outlet is on the side and thats where the S stands for?

just dreaming :p

yes the inlets will be behind the ram(you cant see them)

Does the fixing of the ram look different to any one? (bottom)

Edited June 5, 2011 by Alasdair Ryan

[Sam42]

wow, i knew there were gonna be some exciting new parts on this set but this is looking more and more interesting all the time, some of these new parts if predictions are correct could open a number of new building possibilities.....

[davidmull]

yes the inlets will be behind the ram(you cant see them)

Does the fixing of the ram look different to any one? (bottom)

Yes as I taught the ram really does look longer even with the zoom,also the black base looks deeper too,it is possible as this is where 8868 suffered badly with it's short stroke ,the sticker on the pump looks very unusual as why would u put a sticker on a part that's hidden inside the model,

To me it doesnt look or resemble a standard pump.

[Cumulonimbus]

Or the camera is broken?

While examining the latest high-resolution images, I focussed on the mirroring underneath the model hoping I could identify the construction. It struck me that the mirrored image of the wheel with the photoshopped connection looks odd. I realised it's a copy-paste of the mirrored image of the other wheel on the same axle. I can't crop and past an image now, so I hope my explanation is clear.

Guess TLC really wants the new reduction-thinghy to be secret as long as possible (which makes me even more curious)

[Zerobricks]

The brick marked with green arrow is IMO think the 3L round ball joint used to attach axles.

[parda]

Could the green arrow mark a white pneumatic tank??? with some shadows

[Alasdair Ryan]

It looks more like a diff than a air tank.

Edited June 7, 2011 by Alasdair Ryan

[grindinggears]

Could the green arrow mark a white pneumatic tank??? with some shadows

An air tank drives the rear axle?

Maybe this is a new pneumatic element which transforms air pressure to rotary motion (like a miniature LPE)

Think of all the new possibilities!!!

Don't take me serious, I still think it is a CV/U-joint that forms the torque tube suspension

edit: zblj, which element do you mean?

Edited June 7, 2011 by grindinggears

[Nazgarot]

Hi,

For anyone hwo wants to know more about torque tubes and the drivetrain of an unimog, I recommend this page!

I, like veryone else here, can't get this set fast enough. I've been thinking of building an unimog since I took up lego again about two years ago, and actually have a lot of consept done, but this is so much better... I just hope it realy is a tourqe tube, and not a multilink suspention.

I've recently built a MOC of the 8850 rally support truck and found it quite easy to build a compact floating multilink axel for the rear end, but almost impossible to build a compact one that includes both stearing and drive (through differential) to the wheels... The new parts suspected here would be nothing short of a revolution!! I'm so excited!

-ED-

Edited June 7, 2011 by Nazgarot

[Benny3000]

The Torque-Tube looks like these parts to me:

But it doesn't makes sense since these parts can't transfer torque.

[Bartholomew]

I've already said how that would be operated, but for those who missed it, the yellow lever would switch between driving the wheels and the compressor, whilst the red lever would switch between the front and rear PTO. This would mean you could operate the pneumatics and the rotation of the crane at the same time. The engine would be driven directly by the motor regaurdless of what functions are engauged.

Driving direction of the Unimog an rotating direction of the PTOs would be coupled this way. Switching the direction of the motor (and the things it drives) will be done by the switch on the battery box.

Also, that M-motor would be too weak do drive the vehicle, the compressor and a PTO simultaneously.

TLC does not want children to overload the M-motor unwittingly, so compressor and PTO can't be driven simultaneously (imho).

So, the battery box switch will define the PTO direction, the yellow switch will couple the motor with either compressor or PTO-drivechain, the red switch will direct power either to the front or the rear PTO, and the pneumatic valve will direct air either to the front or the rear air outlet.

Finally, automobiles that drive away from you because you don't hold the remote controls for it in your hand are no fun for children (who will stall the motor by holding the vehicle) and for TLC (because of angry parents)

[allanp]

Yeah, i'm fairly sure the unimog will be operated the way you suggested, i'm just saying this amazing set would be even better the other way. The PTOs should not require much power, so i'm sure the motor can drive both the PTOs and the compressor OR the driving of the model.

Those parts do look very similar (even tho the colours are swapped) but I don't think it will be exactly these parts, they don't even have a hole for a drive shaft to go through them.

[Shasat Spacerider]

Are you guys sure that it is driven as in move the Mog backwards and forwards? That is a little pointless since the steering is not motorized and it is not remotely controlled.

Personally I think that it shouldn't be driven, since the crane, compressor, winch, and clearance adjust (?) are enough functions already. Leave the RC to us.

[davidmull]

I don't see any clues that this is rc

[Shasat Spacerider]

I don't see any clues that this is rc

Aren't they talking about the Mog like it can roll, powered by pneumatics? If they are, then so am I, above.